Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Toomim
Alexander Ehlert wrote: You just have to find someone who likes GUI programming... I like GUI programming!

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Toomim
David Olofson wrote: ...and wants to hack a *really* complex one for a music application. You also need to find a good GUI designer, unless you're lucky enough to find someone that can do both. I'm quite sure it's not remotely as easy as you suggest. I don't see what the big deal is.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
Continuing in the thinking out loud department, so I don't have to study ;): Seems a waste to hardcode all the GUI stuff though. How do they get about theming their controls in Xmms / mplayer ... ? Slider bars get different sizes and sometimes shapes in such programs, yet they retain their

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
Of course, since I have a market size of 1 (myself), and pretty much no interest from the open-source community, the project hasn't gone anywhere else. But I'm quite happy with it. :) Make that two!! :) ttrk has been one of my favorite audio apps for a while now. Thanks to the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread nick
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 10:17, Vincent Touquet wrote: I have never done any GUI programming before. Writing these comprehensive widgets with cool knobs, smooth slides, graphical equalizers etc. seems difficult though. Theyre not *that* difficult really, it's just the initial learning which

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 11:19:56AM +0100, nick wrote: (cut) Theyre not *that* difficult really, it's just the initial learning which already (this is from my experience writing amSynth http://amsynthe.sf.net). The problem is that everyone likes a different toolkit.. for example, I used GTK--, and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
Keep this idea on hold for a while (but keep on discussing :). I'm going offlist for a while (won't read it till end of June), cause exames are up and I always find a good excuse inhere not to study ;) so see you later ! regards Vini

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 11:19:56AM +0100, nick wrote: (cut) Theyre not *that* difficult really, it's just the initial learning which already (this is from my experience writing amSynth http://amsynthe.sf.net). The problem is that everyone likes a different toolkit.. for example, I used

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
Paul: didn't you write some sort of a GUI widget for Ardour ? What do you think about this ? gtkmmext contains several relevant widgets, the most relevant of which is Gtkmmext::MotionFeedback. this takes a set of pixmaps, a Gtk::Adjustment and a few other arguments, and uses the set of pixmaps

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
How do they get about theming their controls in Xmms / mplayer ... ? i don't know about xmms, but the GTK+ crowd, particularly havoc, really don't like xmms since it violates most of the basic rules about using GTK+. Slider bars get different sizes and sometimes shapes in such programs, yet

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
The way I'd like to do it is by throwing live objects into the canvas, assign various graphic shapes or images to them, and then connect them to the logic through callbacks, events or whatever. The point is that basic stuff like catching clicks, handle dragging, control Z order etc, should be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Richard Bown
Paul Davis wrote: The {Gtk,Gnome}Canvas is a thing of beauty and people should get to know it and probably its Qt counterparts well. I can only speak from the Qt side of things but I quite agree. We use QCanvas and QCanvasView with a bunch of QCanvasItems and specialisations thereof for our

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Fred Gleason
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 06:19, nick wrote: But yes, a library of these would be damn sweet. in the style of gtkext (extra widgets for gtk) we could make one, but then the problem is the user must have this extra library installed, and us developers hate extra dependencies to worry about

Re: [linux-audio-dev] hdsp output, and the lack of

2002-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
did you turn up the playback stream volumes from zero (using alsamixer, for example)? Ok so I checked the mixer settings. They were at 0, so I set everything to 95. Heres what i see for channel 1 in asound.state, after alsactl store, the complete file is at http://www.niptron.com/asound.state

Re: [linux-audio-dev] hdsp output, and the lack of

2002-06-12 Thread DuWayne R Holsbeck
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 08:38, Paul Davis wrote: Puzzling. Very puzzling. Can you run some input into the system and see if the Input Peak readings change? They should. Read them using: amixer -c N cget numid=13 this will read the input peak value for channel 1 over and over again. i'd

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Billy Biggs
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, David Olofson wrote: Well, I'm *interested* - I've actually downloaded it and looked at it! :-) Problem is that I don't really like the traditional tracker idea anymore. I just record stuff from the keyboard and prefer editing notes using some kind of piano roll view.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread nick
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 13:50, Paul Davis wrote: How do they get about theming their controls in Xmms / mplayer ... ? i don't know about xmms, but the GTK+ crowd, particularly havoc, really don't like xmms since it violates most of the basic rules about using GTK+. really? any examples of

[linux-audio-dev] 'chromed' widgets [was Re: poll about linux music audio app usability]

2002-06-12 Thread Lance Blisters
This is how we build skins in gdam. We have a number of pixmap-based gtk+ widgets: gtkpixscrollbar - a slider where a 'handle' is drug along a 'trough' appropriate for a volume slider or position indicator gtkpixsplitbar- a slider which splits area

[linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-host audio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Men Muheim
Has anyone ever thought of implementing a library for transfer of audio across networks? The API could be similar to JACK but would allow inter-host communication. This library would simplify the routing of audio across networks by solving synchronization issues etc. Therefore this RFC is closely

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-hostaudio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Peter Hanappe
Men Muheim wrote: Has anyone ever thought of implementing a library for transfer of audio across networks? The API could be similar to JACK but would allow inter-host communication. This library would simplify the routing of audio across networks by solving synchronization issues etc.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-host audio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:25:14 +0200, Men Muheim wrote: Has anyone ever thought of implementing a library for transfer of audio across networks? The API could be similar to JACK but would allow Have a look at MAS, they had an impressive demo at LinuxTag: http://mediaapplicationserver.net/

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-host audio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 07:45:51 +0200, Peter Hanappe wrote: I wondered if it would be possible to write a JACK driver (i.e. replacement for current ALSA driver) that would stream the audio over a network. The driver is a shared object, so it's technically possible. I was thinking of the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread xk
But that's sort of the thought behind ttrk: be a useful hardware sequencer. I can't stand piano roll views, they just don't make sense for the music I'm writing. I usually write electronic dance music where I want to see everything that happens on one beat all at once, and it is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Billy Biggs
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, xk wrote: Of course, because your tracker it's written for your own personal use it's normal to not spend time implementing things you don't need. But developers which make software intended to be used by a large number of users should try to implement things people

Re: [linux-audio-dev] latency measuring software

2002-06-12 Thread Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
I can't get latencytest-0.42 to run on Redhat 7.3. I would like to make sure that the kernels I've been building are doing what I want. Does anybody have this working, or are there other audio latency measuring tools around? What error are you getting? I have been doing tests at home under

[linux-audio-dev] latency measuring software

2002-06-12 Thread jfm3
I can't get latencytest-0.42 to run on Redhat 7.3. I would like to make sure that the kernels I've been building are doing what I want. Does anybody have this working, or are there other audio latency measuring tools around? -- (jfm3) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread nick
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 19:27, Billy Biggs wrote: Personally I see this as the 'flaw' with free software: most of it is code first and application second. And I'm totally ok with that, although it's awkward to read posts from users who expect things to work the other way around. I just

Re: Envy24HT (RE: [linux-audio-dev] Audiotrak cards)

2002-06-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Frank Neumann wrote: I had visited the booth of Egosys at this year's Musikmesse in Frankfurt, Germany, and asked for Linux driver support. I got a business card from one of the developers, exchanged a few mails, and then received some driver source for the (slightly old)

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network -inter-host audio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 17:25, Men Muheim wrote: Has anyone ever thought of implementing a library for transfer of audio across networks? Indeed I have and it is, in fact, what I plan to be spending most of this summer working on. I don't know if you've seen gison's magic, but it sounds very

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-hostaudio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On 12 Jun 2002, Bob Ham wrote: On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 17:25, Men Muheim wrote: Has anyone ever thought of implementing a library for transfer of audio across networks? Indeed I have and it is, in fact, what I plan to be spending most of this summer working on. I don't know if you've seen

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network -inter-host audio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 21:18, Dan Hollis wrote: I talked to gibson directly about magic. They stated it's patented and they won't give permission for open source implementation. I wonder what they have patents on, and whether they're applicable to the UK. -- Bob Ham: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread nick
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 22:03, Michael Toomim wrote: nick wrote: Exactly. I mean, I'm happy to let others use my software, but ultimately I write it because I want a tool to do a particular thing. If people want useability features etc.. then really someone's going to have to pay for it. I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread nick
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 22:15, Kasper Souren wrote: nick wrote: Exactly. I mean, I'm happy to let others use my software, but ultimately I write it because I want a tool to do a particular thing. If people want useability features etc.. then really someone's going to have to pay for it. I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Chris Butt
The problem seems to be either... A) That there aren't enough of these people to go around. B) That these people aren't in touch with the people who want to write code, or just have a hard time coordinating with them. or C) That these people aren't very deeply involved

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Poll about linux music audio app usability

2002-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
My exams are over in just over a week, and I intend on getting my pc running linux full time with alsa and stuff. I really want to help do /something/ in the linux sound area - at the moment I'm very definetly on the needing help stage. Great, more power to you !! If you need help, post on the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RFC: API for audio across network - inter-hostaudio routing

2002-06-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On 12 Jun 2002, Bob Ham wrote: On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 21:18, Dan Hollis wrote: I talked to gibson directly about magic. They stated it's patented and they won't give permission for open source implementation. I wonder what they have patents on, and whether they're applicable to the UK.