Just so eveyone knows what they'll be missing by not using lindows. Here
is the latest blurb about lindows 4.0 from the CEO. If this is true,
and with Debian upgrading has been painless so far, then this might
actually be useful. I'll know by next Wedneday, I guess.
If my Zire palmpilot works
Joel Hammer wrote:
I would like to dual boot XP pro and linux (lindows). I have
lindows on a hard drive (IDE0). I physically replaced this hard drive with
a second drive (still IDE0) and installed XP pro.
Now, I would like to have both drives installed at the same time and dual
boot
doesn't like being
on the third (ID2) hard drive, especially since when I installed XP on this
drive it was IDE0.
Joel
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 10:50:13AM -0500, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Joel Hammer wrote:
I would like to dual boot XP pro and linux (lindows). I have
lindows on a hard
On Saturday 29 March 2003 08:50 am, Joel Hammer's voice rose above the
ones in my head and stated:
I tried this in my lilo.conf
other=/dev/hdc1
label=XP
And ran lilo. On reboot, I can boot into linux but not windows. It
tries to boot but fails with a message saying error loading
Joel Hammer wrote:
I suspect this may have to do with the fact that windows doesn't like being
on the third (ID2) hard drive, especially since when I installed XP on this
drive it was IDE0.
WIN XP may reside anywhere (I have installed two instances of it). But,
as far as I know, the XP
will just add some detail here so others may benefit.
I bought a lindows computer with linux on the first hard drive. I
uninstalled this hard drive, and installed a new hard drive as the first
hard drive and installed XP on it. I then put the linux hard drive back as
the first hard drive and put the XP
Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Joel Hammer wrote:
I suspect this may have to do with the fact that windows doesn't like
being
on the third (ID2) hard drive, especially since when I installed XP on
this
drive it was IDE0.
There's another idea that rushed into my mind during a nice walk with my
Joel Hammer wrote:
I bought a lindows computer with linux on the first hard drive. I
uninstalled this hard drive, and installed a new hard drive as the first
hard drive and installed XP on it. I then put the linux hard drive back as
the first hard drive and put the XP drive as the third IDE
I would like to dual boot XP pro and linux (lindows). I have
lindows on a hard drive (IDE0). I physically replaced this hard drive with
a second drive (still IDE0) and installed XP pro.
Now, I would like to have both drives installed at the same time and dual
boot this machine.
This seems easy
Well, I bought a second $200 special. This came unfortunately with a bent
frame, but, it isn't bad enuf to make me send it back.
It runs fine. I bought an extra 512 meg memory (total of 620 megs or so)
for $78. I got $5.00 legal copies of XP pro and microsoft office from my
educational center.
You gotta understand, my fastest machine is a overclocked Celeron 300A running at 450.
1.1 is screaming to me :)
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:17:11 -0800
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Matthew Carpenter wrote:
Sorry for the late reply. Yes.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800
Ken Moffat
Sorry for the late reply. Yes.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800
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Matthew Carpenter wrote:
The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it
runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine...
except for the
Matthew Carpenter wrote:
Sorry for the late reply. Yes.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800
Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use?
Still running smooth? You are happy with it's speed?
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Not exactly a Linux question, but I am going to be building a few
low-budget Linux PC's for the family so...
Is one brand of ram as good as the next or does it make a difference
whose ram one buys?
There is most definitely a difference, and its
I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from
a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the
machine up.
So, its worth the $44 bucks or whatever they are charging at your local
CompuUSA. I think they charge more than that if you buy it preconfiged
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote:
%
% I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from
% a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the
% machine up.
Not surprising to me. Doubling the amount of scratch space the system
has to work
Not exactly a Linux question, but I am going to be building a few
low-budget Linux PC's for the family so...
Is one brand of ram as good as the next or does it make a difference
whose ram one buys?
Thanks,
Ian Stephen
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 16:29, Joel Hammer wrote:
I up'ed the memory from
I have heard it claimed that no-name ram is slower than branded memory,
whatever that is. I heard this on TechTV, screensavers edition. They
gave instructions for building a $500 game machine. You might visit
their web page.
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/?nnav
I couldn't find mention of the
Oh boy. What will they do next.
I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully
convenient) and now all is fine.
rantIt
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 12:43:51PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
Oh boy. What will they do next.
I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic (this debian
Whew. Close call on this one. The man page says that rm comes configured
to require a y response to erase anything. I tried this out and this
was not true.
So, I made an alias:
alias rm=rm -i
I tried it out and this time I was asked to respond to each file being
erased.
Image my chagrin,
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote:
% Oh boy. What will they do next.
%
% I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
% lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
% for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic
An unnamed Administration source, Bill Campbell, wrote:
[clippety clip]
% I doubt that the target audience for the Wal-Mart Lindows box would know
% the difference between vi, elvis, and vim.
But they might appreciate vigor. ;-)
Kurt
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Joel Hammer wrote inter alia:
Image my chagrin, however, when I saw what I had typed. Instead of:
rm junk*
I had typed:
rm junk *
What a difference a single space makes! I suspect that rm sould not have
removed directories, but, I am not going to experiment to find out now.
That is why we
Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's
complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web
browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really
confusing.
Joel
The same reason we have multiple word processors, databases
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote:
% Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's
% complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web
% browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really
% confusing.
Agreed
The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it
runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine... except
for the sissy-keyboard. :)
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The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it
runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine... except
for the sissy-keyboard. :)
So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use?
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or synaptic to work, you need sources, i.e. URL's, listed
in /etc/apt/sources.list.
This is where you can set the range of your updates to stable, testing,
or unstable.
What is listed in your Lindows?
re StarOffice: did you have to run through the usual SO setup after you
downloaded it? I am not aware
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:57:59 -0500
Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
re StarOffice: did you have to run through the usual SO setup after
you downloaded it? I am not aware of any Deb package of SO. I
remember that Caldera 2.2/2.3 included SO 5 in RPM, but you still had
to
David Bandel wrote:
yes there are debs of SO (1.0.2 is the version I have loaded). And it's
split out better into the different language packs.
Star Office 1.0.2? Surely you mean Open Office?
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or synaptic to work, you need sources, i.e. URL's, listed
in /etc/apt/sources.list.
This is where you can set the range of your updates to stable, testing,
or unstable.
What is listed in your Lindows?
Regarding staroffice, I have these files, which look like all the other
debian package files:
/var
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:11:50 -0500
Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Bandel wrote:
yes there are debs of SO (1.0.2 is the version I have loaded). And
it's split out better into the different language packs.
Star Office 1.0.2? Surely you mean Open Office?
Yes, I do.
any effort on my part, but lindows doesn't seem quite so
obliging.
Depending on how Debian Lindows is, you'll have a lot of work to do.
Debian runs the Xserver with options like -nolisten TCP and turns off
xdm. Almost every file to do with X needs tweaking.
Ciao,
David A. Bandel
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Joel Hammer wrote:
I am not sure what I am getting for my money, but on the upside:
1. I couldn't download gnucash with synaptic or get-apt, but it came in
nicely with the warehouse.
2. Staroffice wasn't available with synaptic but it was with the warehouse.
3. When you install from the
How do I tell what the package is. All this stuff happens automatically and
I know nothing about debian.
Where on the computer would I find the package name?
Joel
I'm curious about the packaging of SO you downloaded from the
warehouse. Was it a tar?
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Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on.
Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So,
I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while.
Joel
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Joel Hammer wrote:
Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on.
Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So,
I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while.
/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What processor does this machine have?
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A duron 1.1 gh
Joel
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 06:50:48AM -0800, Ken Moffat wrote:
Joel Hammer wrote:
Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on.
Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So,
I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while.
/mailman
More nice surprises with this thing.
I took the case apart to see what it looks like. I wasn't too hopeful when
I noticed that two of the case screws had been left off at the factory.
However, my fears were unwarranted.
Very nice case, well finished, no sharp edges.
Very nice uncluttered
On 03/08/03 09:39, Joel Hammer wrote:
CDROM. There are two DIMM slots, and joy of joy, only one was in use
(it has a 125 meg memory chip in it.) So, I was able to put in another
30 megs of memory from my old computer and I put in a hard drive I had
What kind of really funky, nonstandard memory is
A lot of stuff is missing from the standard install, like tcpdump!
Anyway, an article on the web pointed me in the right direction with
lindows.
From the command line (get a konsole by running the konsole command from the
run command option in the menu.) run:
apt-get install synaptic
Then, go
WARNING.
I installed xine with synaptic (really just apt-get front end I am guessing)
and xine froze the system. Even worse, lindows refused to start kde after
reboot. I had to reinstall, twice.
So, don't try xine with lindows for now unless you want to reinstall (which
goes quickly.)
Joel
, that was worth $200!
I'll likely spend $99 and join the warehouse, just to save myself some
effort and see what they really have to offer.
Joel
Is it true that you run as root in lindows?
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So far yes. It gave me a chance to make a regular user account when I
installed it (first logged on). However, I don't see where the account
was actually created.
Hey, they don't call it lindows for nothing.
Joel
it true that you run as root in lindows?
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Yes. It works with usb mass-storage. It is very surprising they don't
just list the nikon 2500 by name, too. Not really very user friendly in
that regard.
This is REALLY a novel experience for me. Graphical programs actually
installing and running without a hitch, and then working in the real
don't forget you are root. that rm command might bite you. and
don't get cracked.
There was quite a discussion on lindows root default on the compuserve
linux forum; got quite heated.
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based distros. You
must have gone with unstable debian.
just don't forget you are root. that rm command might bite you. and
don't get cracked.
There was quite a discussion on lindows root default on the compuserve
linux forum; got quite heated.
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. I may try knoppix on this box,
which would be a much more complete installation than lindows.
Joel
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Also sprach Ken Moffat:
On Morning Edition on NPR this morning they had a special on Walmart
selling lindows computers. Not a bad audio clip. If you'd like to hear
it check www.npr.org, then under programs choose Morning Edition,
Latest program, and scroll down to the Lindows link. (You
Greetings,
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Tim Wunder wrote:
On Friday 12 July 2002 12:17 am, Net Llama! wrote:
snip
I hear Lindows boxes are selling for $300 at walmart ;)
Monitor and floppy disk drive not included
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1870914cat=86796type
Jay Nugent wrote:
I just ordered one for my Dad.
Total bill, including shipping was $414.00
I'm game to give Lindows a try. If it sucks I can always reload the
box with RedHat or Debian or SuSE or whatever..
Did you see the message that said they were coming out with Mandrake
Ken Moffat wrote:
Did you see the message that said they were coming out with Mandrake
boxes? Seems a bit bleeding edge, but very hopeful...
The're also going to be selling them with Mandrake.
http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/19/1519219
at
an alternative OS on your PC. It's yet another to STOP paying! Besides,
people are more likely to believe that they're getting something good if
they're paying for it. Walmart/Lindows are not giving them the world,
just providing what is looking much like an appliance for a fairly
inexpensive cost
exactly.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:03:16 -0400
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The Walmart crowd is a very large segment of the buying public. I say
welcome to them!
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Hear! Hear!
Joel Hammer wrote:
If Walmart can get people to use linux on the desktop, we should all be
grateful. This superior attitude of some linux users vis a vis the ordinary
user is simply inappropriate.
I haven't tried lindows although I might. If the program warehouse
really
to
fix that. I had assumed that meant they would do different winmodems that
had good Linux support, and selling them with Lindows didn't suggest I was
wrong. But Mandrake seems to disdain support for winmodems--so that
implies either getting an easily-installed driver set up (and hopefully
I've seen Mandrake come and goe at least once already from Walmart's
shelves. If they do Mandrake on the machines, too, they'll probably bring
it back again soon.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:26:21 -0500
Stuart Biggerstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The
timing is kind of interesting, since
As near as I can tell, Mandrake left Walmart's shelves because of some
reorganization at Pearson, who published their U.S. boxed sets. Through
version 8.1, they were sold by Macmillan Software, while 8.2 is sold by
Pearson Education. Locally, 8.1 was about $30.00 at Best Buy and
On Morning Edition on NPR this morning they had a special on Walmart
selling lindows computers. Not a bad audio clip. If you'd like to hear
it check www.npr.org, then under programs choose Morning Edition, Latest
program, and scroll down to the Lindows link. (You Need realplay8
Ken Moffat wrote:
On Morning Edition on NPR this morning they had a special on Walmart
selling lindows computers. Not a bad audio clip. If you'd like to hear
it check www.npr.org, then under programs choose Morning Edition, Latest
program, and scroll down to the Lindows link. (You Need
Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
Ken Moffat wrote:
On Morning Edition on NPR this morning they had a special on Walmart
selling lindows computers. Not a bad audio clip. If you'd like to hear
it check www.npr.org, then under programs choose Morning Edition, Latest
program, and scroll down
If Walmart can get people to use linux on the desktop, we should all be
grateful. This superior attitude of some linux users vis a vis the ordinary
user is simply inappropriate.
I haven't tried lindows although I might. If the program warehouse
really works (Imagine, certified software
Greetings,
Has anyone had any experience with Lindows, yet? I'm considering
buying one of the pre-loaded machines from Wal-Mart and wanted to know
what people liked/disliked about the Lindows distribution.
Do you feel that dumping a Lindows box on my 76 year-old Dad as a
replacement
Jay Nugent wrote:
Do you feel that dumping a Lindows box on my 76 year-old Dad
From some of the reviews, I wonder if you wouldn't be better off with
one of the Mandrake-powered systems.
BOF
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Jim Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting article on newsforge about lindows being sold stock
on machines at walmart..
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it reportedly has the user run constantly as root.
I never understood that. It must be from my years on single-user systems.
I just can't grasp the idea that running a Linux box as a single user so
dramatically places said user in catastrophe's way. I do it all the time.
I never set up
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Nothing wrong as running as root except:
1. Those viruses will run with root priviledge, too. You should at least
read your email as a regular user.
2. You can alter crucial system files without wanting to.
3. It makes a mockery out of the concept of a multiuser computer system.
That said, I
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or, to put in another way:
http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=102
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Tyler Regas wrote:
it reportedly has the user run constantly as root.
I never understood that. It must be from my years on single-user systems.
I just can't grasp the idea that running a Linux box as a single user so
dramatically places said user in catastrophe's way. I do it all the time.
Nothing wrong as running as root except:
1. Those viruses will run with root priviledge, too. You should at least
read your email as a regular user.
Fine. Can it be made to work seamlessly? What if there were a sub-root
account that all apps ran in. Sort of a reverse su.
2. You can alter
Now just why would I want to receive a warning message every time I
need to make a change as root? If I'm running as root, I'd damn well
better know what I'm doing, otherwise I shouldn't be doing it. That
solution reminds me of a paperclip that always tried to offer advice.
Stupid users
. No
one will connect to a network of mine with a Lindows computer if ordinary
users are running as root. Not until _all_ traffic is encrypted before it
leaves the box.
[snip]
Ciao,
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Tyler Regas wrote:
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VMware Workstation offers warnings on all operations that can be
disabled when the user is familiar with everything. There is also an
option to turn them all off at once. I wouldn't be surprised to find
that there was an option in the console install that turned it off
Also a very positive article about this in the New York Times
On Saturday 15 June 2002 09:48 am,Ken Moffat wrote:
Any opinions on Lindows?
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