Thanks for mentioning the colour blind Dwain, blue colour blindness is
the rarest form.
8% of adult males have some form of color blindness.
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Access/index.html#colourblind
Tim
On 11/01/2007, at 6:39 PM, Dwain Alford wrote:
So, not sure what the best way
Quoth Dwain Alford at 01/11/07 18:09...
for accessibility purposes in using color (on links and visited links,
etc.) i would recommend using the color contrast analyzer from
http://www.accessibleinfo.org.au/ http://www.accessibleinfo.org.au/
since web sites need to be accessible to everyone,
Hello list.
This is my first post, but I have been subscribed and enjoying this list for
quite sometime.
I work in online newspaper publishing. I'd like to gage some wise opinion from
anyone who's interested
on tabbed horizontal navigation systems for large publishing sites?
Reasons I ask
Hello list.
This is my first post, but I have been subscribed and enjoying this list for
quite sometime.
I work in online newspaper publishing. I'd like to gage some wise opinion from
anyone who's interested
on tabbed horizontal navigation systems for large publishing sites?
Reasons I ask
@Matthew: And the only 'tampering' Opera Mini does as far as styling is
concerned is ignore background-image rules? Or does it not render
images, full stop?
Tyssen Design wrote:
The launch of Apple's iPhone could also have a significant impact in
this area too.
On the iPhone's site, I
James Crooke wrote:
Here's one for you.
OK, we are all in agreement that its not a good idea to change the
default cursor.
But even Krug's Don't Make Me Think has a pointer (the finger cursor)
hovering over a button on the front cover of his book - yet in IE and
Firefox buttons have the
Ruairi Doyle escribió:
Hello list.
Hi!!
To cut to the chase what are peoples opinion of the following navigation
systems:
NYTIMES http://www.nytimes.com/pages/world/index.html
Here there is two steps to get to a section under US news.
INDY UK http://news.independent.co.uk
Here it is full
Hello list.
This is my first post, but I have been subscribed and enjoying this list for
quite sometime.
I work in online newspaper publishing. I'd like to gage some wise opinion from
anyone who's interested
on tabbed horizontal navigation systems for large publishing sites?
Reasons I ask
Apologies, my reply was to Matthew, not Dwain.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matthew Smith
Sent: Thursday, 11 January, 2007 10:18 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Visited Links and Accessibility
Having said this, it should not be the browser manufacturer's job to
customise their rendering process to magically make sites intuitively
accessible on small devices - and if they do, it impinges on our
ability to decide on what's best for the user.
Opera would disagree with you - Opera
Quoting Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On the iPhone's site, I thought the Safari demo
[www.apple.com/iphone/internet] was the least impressive thing. The
fact that it's the most sophisticated (read: complex) hand-held browser
is not necessarily good - for example, the browsing of the
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:58:55AM +, Brothercake wrote:
Having said this, it should not be the browser manufacturer's job to
Opera would disagree with you
Opera, presumably, recognises that a great many websites are designed
in a mobile-unfriendly fashion and write code to compensate for
Quoth Barney Carroll at 01/11/07 20:48...
@Matthew: And the only 'tampering' Opera Mini does as far as styling is
concerned is ignore background-image rules? Or does it not render
images, full stop?
On its own, Opera Mini doesn't do a lot to the content; however, those
of us with slower
First things first - what makes you think that Steve Krug designed the
cover of that book? My father has authored several books, and I can tell
you that he has a fairly low regard for the designers that produce his
covers, and routinely place items upside down etc.
To answer your query, I would
Silly point. I'm pretty sure Krug would have designed his cover :S
We have conducted usability testing on 100's of sites and my argument is
that when you hover over a button and nothing happens, users sometimes think
oh the button is dead
So it's not just my personal preference to have a
I think it's good to leave the cursor behavior as it is by browsers default,
when using the visual style for button that is also browsers default ( if we
are talking about input type=button or submit), but if designer created
his own style and it is not so clear that it is a system button then it
James Crooke
We have conducted usability testing on 100's of sites and my argument
is that when you hover over a button and nothing happens, users
sometimes think oh the button is dead
A counter argument to that:
So they'll get confused on every site that uses a button. You then change
it
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
I think it's good to leave the cursor behavior as it is by browsers
default, when using the visual style for button that is also browsers
default ( if we are talking about input type=button or submit), but
if designer created his own style and it is not so clear that it
Patrick Lauke wrote:
James Crooke
We have conducted usability testing on 100's of sites and my argument
is that when you hover over a button and nothing happens, users
sometimes think oh the button is dead
A counter argument to that:
So they'll get confused on every site that uses a
So what does everyone think would suit a clickable button, (default) arrow
cursor or finger-pointer cursor?
(For now, let's forget the fact that Microsoft invented the convention of a
default arrow and that we all tend to give in to the default attributes to
prevent breaking conventions.)
So
On 11 Jan 2007, at 12:53:59, James Crooke wrote:
So what does everyone think would suit a clickable button,
(default) arrow
cursor or finger-pointer cursor?
(For now, let's forget the fact that Microsoft invented the
convention of a
default arrow and that we all tend to give in to the
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
When using a site which turns the cursor to the link-style cursor when
hovering over a button, I would tend to assume that it wasn't a button
(which causes an action [2]) but a hyperlink (which merely causes
navigation) styled to look like a button. Links and buttons
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
When using a site which turns the cursor to the link-style cursor when
hovering over a button, I would tend to assume that it wasn't a button
(which causes an action [2]) but a hyperlink (which merely causes
navigation) styled to look like a button. Links and buttons
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
Oh boy..! Ok..!. :D I am not the author of that page.
It was just a bad examle of Blind people community website :D
But hey!..thanks for links anyway!
cya!
Mihael
Haha! sorry Mihael I thought it was your site and you were asking for
comments!
d'oh
and yes, it is
Sorry, I thought Microsoft were the first to come up with the different
cursor styles. I thought that when Susan Kare (designer of the cursors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Kare) spent time at Microsoft doing
graphic design work she came up with the cursor we all know and love to
argue
for accessibility purposes in using color (on links and visited
links, etc.) i would recommend using the color contrast analyzer
fromhttp://www.accessibleinfo.org.au/
This is now at: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=628
Andrew Maben
109b SE 4th Av
Gainesville
FL 32601
Ph:
On 1/11/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think I'm flippant in thinking that this is standardisation gone
mad - it is at the point where designing no longer requires insight or
creativity, and simply demands mechanical processing according to
ancient presets without analysis.
P.S For those that are interested: http://www.kare.com - it's an
interesting site!
On 1/11/07, James Crooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, I thought Microsoft were the first to come up with the different
cursor styles. I thought that when Susan Kare (designer of the cursors
On 11 Jan 2007, at 14:30:05, Barney Carroll wrote:
Conceive of a persona who is not a read-up fan of Apple's UI
recommendations (my target audience, incidentally). Are they going
to hover their cursor over a button, see it turn into a hand, and
get baffled? I very much doubt it. In fact I
On 1/11/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please don't take this personally (it so happens it's one of my
bugbears, and I tend to start ranting when it comes up) but one of
the worst problems on the web is graphic designers who think that
their vision or creativity or whatever
James Crooke wrote:
P.S For those that are interested: http://www.kare.com - it's an
interesting site!
Brilliant! I miss Windows 3 so much - it's all downhill from there!
Interesting to see the person behind all this.
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
I think that the best resolution was: If
On 11 Jan 2007, at 15:36:52, Barney Carroll wrote:
@Nick:
I think it's fair to conclude that we simply disagree!
I agree :-)
Cheers,
Nick.
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http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/
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On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, James Crooke wrote:
We have conducted usability testing on 100's of sites and my
argument is that when you hover over a button and nothing happens,
users sometimes think oh the button is dead
So it's not just my personal preference to have a cursor change to
I don't know any more... Is it me, or it is some kind of stupid software's
sh... problem?
Wen layout coded in xhtml and is in one piece.. everithing is qool.
But, as I cut it on pieces, and inculde them with php's include_once
function, it ads to certain element ( don't get it what is the
OH BOY This is realy making me crazy! All they by now!
It happens in IE 6, IE 7 and Opera 9.01... In firefox it looks like it
renders it properly..
On 1/11/07, Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know any more... Is it me, or it is some kind of stupid software's
sh...
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
Any expierience with that anyone? Maybe the solution?
Check your white space.
IE is known to do this if the doctype is not the absolute FIRST thing in
the document source code... no blank lines, no spaces... nothing.
Hi Mihael,
PHP won't do anything to HTML unless you ask it to. Are you sure you aren't
introducing extra whitespace into your markup when using the PHP includes? This
may introduce unwanted padding / gaps between elements...
Paul
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/12/07 07:21...
OH BOY This is realy making me crazy! All they by now!
It happens in IE 6, IE 7 and Opera 9.01... In firefox it looks like it
renders it properly..
Still OK in all browsers when done by hand?
I don't know what programming tools you have in
well..
INDEX.PHP
-
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; lang=si
head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleToasted Web -
Perhaps a little off topic, but I'd suggest that you may have introduced
some white space before and after your php code. Any empty lines between
xhtml and php will introduce so-called margins.
I don't know any more... Is it me, or it is some kind of stupid
software's
sh... problem?
Wen
well... if I echo with php the code, than it's ok, but if I include a file (
header.php) it adds a top and bottom margins,... however, there are no
whitespaces :D
this is killing me... that kind of thing makes me ask my self a few
questions that I realy dislike :D
On 1/11/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT)
On 1/11/07, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/12/07 07:21...
OH BOY This is realy making me crazy! All they by now!
It happens in IE 6, IE 7 and Opera 9.01... In firefox it looks like it
renders it properly..
Still OK in all browsers when done by hand?
On 1/11/07, Mihael Zadravec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/11/07, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoth Mihael Zadravec at 01/12/07 07:21...
OH BOY This is realy making me crazy! All they by now!
It happens in IE 6, IE 7 and Opera 9.01... In firefox it looks like it
renders
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
well... if I echo with php the code, than it's ok, but if I include a
file (header.php) it adds a top and bottom margins,... however, there
are no whitespaces :D
Are you checking for whitespace in the final HTML that's sent to the
browser, i.e. doing a view source?
P
On 1/11/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@Matthew: And the only 'tampering' Opera Mini does as far as styling is
concerned is ignore background-image rules? Or does it not render
images, full stop?
Tyssen Design wrote:
The launch of Apple's iPhone could also have a significant
Hi Mihael,
In order for people to help you, it would be great if you could answer the
following questions:
1. Is the gap present when viewed in browsers other than Firefox when the code
is all in one file?
2. Is there a place where the files are hosted so we can see the results for
ourselves?
There are no white spaces... :D
On 1/11/07, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mihael Zadravec wrote:
well... if I echo with php the code, than it's ok, but if I include a
file (header.php) it adds a top and bottom margins,... however, there
are no whitespaces :D
Are you checking
In order for people to help you, it would be great if you could answer the
following questions:
1. Is the gap present when viewed in browsers other than Firefox when the
code is all in one file?
There is no gap... and no whitespaces
2. Is there a place where the files are hosted so we
OH BOY This is realy making me crazy! All they by now!
It happens in IE 6, IE 7 and Opera 9.01... In firefox it looks like
it
renders it properly..
Still OK in all browsers when done by hand?
when done without including content without php, all in one :D it 's
ok...
THAT
It happened to me one and it was some encoding problems, UTF-8 encoding
on windows introduced some extra characters that was hidden from almost
all editors except from few of them, i believe that Zend IDE got the
extra character, that was only recognized by IE, it was working fine on
all other
On 1/11/07, Abdulrahman Al-Otaiba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It happened to me one and it was some encoding problems, UTF-8 encoding
on windows introduced some extra characters that was hidden from almost
all editors except from few of them, i believe that Zend IDE got the
extra character, that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_Order_Mark
on 01/12/2007 01:23 AM Mihael Zadravec said the following:
Yes... something like that... so I set the notepad++ to ENCODE UTF-8
WHITOUT BOM and it works all right.
Anyone has a clue what that BOM means?
Mihael
Dear Travis,
You are asking a lot for a cut and paste job that it may take a lot of
study to appreciate why you cannot slap a compliant site together with
cut and paste and you should employ someone to make a template you can
work with.
Your page validates, but is not accessible. A couple
Tim I think you misunderstood what I was asking... I was looking for a tip
on how to get the footer to actually extend to the foot of the page, I
pasted the code so people could see how the code was done. I agree Tables
aren't the way to lay things out but I needed to get this done fast and then
Silktest and loadrunner will test a site for accessibility if they didnt I
would have no job.
del usr
On 1/9/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:50:06PM -, John 'Max' Maxwell wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for
IMO the right thing to do is to modify nothing when a handheld
stylesheet is present, but if that is not available then use the
screen stylesheet and render it down or don't use styles at all.
I agree - and this is precisely what Opera Mobile does. It begins with
a handheld-media stylesheet
Hey,
Just got 3 questions that are actually on 3 separate subjects:
1. I have a flash slide show in a page header and the page's logo is
positioned absolutely with higher z-index on top of the flash object
but only some of the logo is on top of the flash slideshow. Every
time a new image
Elle
Answer to 1.
Depends if you are viewing the page via Windows or OsX/*nix.
I expect you might be on OsX or *nix and flash does not work the same as on
Windows, put the logo in a iframe and that should fix it.
Nick
On 12/01/07, Elle Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
Just got 3
www.westernwebdesign.com.au/test/flora3.html
I have an image gallery with thumbnails and use js to enable them to
open a larger version in a box on the same page.
The problem is that some thumbnails - like the one shown - enlarge and
distort themselves instead of staying the size they
Elle Meredith wrote:
Hey,
Just got 3 questions that are actually on 3 separate subjects:
1. I have a flash slide show in a page header and the page's logo is
positioned absolutely with higher z-index on top of the flash object
but only some of the logo is on top of the flash slideshow. Every
The first question sounds like an issue specific to the browser or the
plugin, and the third I have no information on.
For the second question, I discovered, via admittedly limited testing, that
applying a border to an anchor tag--versus text-decoration--seems to provide
some sort of mandatory
Lyn
You give the images a width:
ul#img li img {
display:block;
position:absolute;
bottom:0;
width: 100px;
}
So the browser automatically scales the image, ie if image was 80px high and
50px wide. The image becomes 160px high and 100px wide.
remove: width: 100px from
It's because you've given those images a width of 100px in your CSS. If
they're narrower than that, they're going to come out distorted.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:05:33 +1000, Lyn Patterson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
www.westernwebdesign.com.au/test/flora3.html
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Web print
On 1/11/07, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All
A question that's been on my mind for quite some time - why is CSS in
such a whacky format?
By whacky you mean lovely, correct? Can I just go on the record for
saying that I think the format is wonderful?
For something being used to
Title: SilverStripe Newsletter
Mind you, CSS is conveniently brief to write...
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SilverStripe
http://www.silverstripe.com
Phone:+64 4 978 7332
Fax:+64 4 978 7349
Christian Montoya wrote:
By whacky you mean lovely, correct? Can I just go on the record for
saying that I think the format is wonderful?
For something being used to format (X)HTML, I would have expected XML or
something...
Formatting it as XML sounds like a good idea for machines and would
put the logo in a iframe and that should fix it.
I thought iframe was deprecated in xhtml strict.
You could put the ads in an iframe... not ideal. Google don't do good
markup or valid anything really, you would probably be better off with
xhtml friendly text link ads:
put the logo in a iframe and that should fix it.
I thought iframe was deprecated in xhtml strict.
I think it is too
However, I think it is the only way to get flash to play fair, so looks like
it will have to be html 4.01 strict or xhtml transitional
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http://nickcowie.com
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