On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:01:54AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
> Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > $ mx london.pm.org. ns1.access.net
> > london.pm.org MX 42 london.pm.org
> > london.pm.org MX 69 mailhost.realprogrammers.com
>
> Did you pick those two numbers out of a hat a
From: "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/18/01 1:27:36 PM
>From: Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 10/18/01 12:36:55 PM
>
> [rant snipped]
>
> I've said this before and I'll (no doubt) have to say it
> again in the future.
>
> The london.pm mailing list is meant to be inclu
Well because of the following discussion
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:01:54AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
> > > london.pm.org MX 42 london.pm.org
> > > london.pm.org MX 69 mailhost.realprogrammers.com
> > Did you pick
Hello,
Greg said:
> But what I'd really like is something as flexible as Nethack in terms
> of the fact that a lot of the code, doesn't just implement mechanics,
> it invents richness - and this is why i want lots of people to be
> involved so that their is lots of ``richness'', if you get my dri
From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/19/01 9:48:51 AM
> And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out
> the age of Diophantus,
>
> "Here lies Diophantus," the wonder behold . . .
> Through art algebraic, the stone tells how old:
> "God gave him his boyhood one-sixth of
From: Scottow Adrian - adscot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/19/01 9:39:51 AM
[Greg's game idea]
> I loved Nethack/Rogue/Moria and think that this would be
> a brilliant thing to do. How about mixing the dungeon
> delving with some kind of trading element and maybe some
> kind of building ele
On 17 October 2001, Scottow Adrian wrote:
> But Elite did rule. Has anyone ever played Space Trader on
> the Palm for sort of Elite style fun on the run?
I rather like Void. No, the Palm game:
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/bugfix/1327/id50.htm
Hey, it just occurred to me that I haven't
That sounds a great idea.
I learned programmation, probably like many of us, by programming games. I
was so bad at playing games so I decided to create my own to have a chance
to win :-) I found it more fun than playing.
I don't know if any help, but here are some ideas:
- It's a good opportunity
As a part of my PDA exploits I was looking at Agenda (www.agendacomputing.com).
Their PDA is 250US$ and runs Linux and X as its native OS.
I was camping (since someone mentioned EQ before) their IRC channel
for most of yesterday and talking to one of the OS entuiasts and developers
who has endle
Hi - this bounced from your london.pm.org address.
- Original Message -
From: "Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 19 October 2001 11:41
Subject: Help! Perl coder required.
> Hi Leo
>
> I hope this isn't out of order. Got your email from http://london.pm.org/.
> I
Dave H is in town today and we're going for Dim Sum at 1pm, New World, 1
Gerard Place. All welcome as always.
Sorry for the short notice but he only just decided he wanted to go !
Simon.
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"I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything."
- Steven Wright
This is what I get when I connect to #london.pm on london.rhizomatic.net (aka
astray.com aka huckvale.net aka
twoshortplanks.com aka thegestalt.org aka annares.org)
¨Ý¨ [Highest client connection count(56) (55)]
¨Ý¨ Mode change [+iw] for user muttley
¨Ý¨ muttley [~[EMAIL PROTECTED]] has joined
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:00:22 +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> I just heard from Shannon Weaver at CMP, she responded to my email very
> quickly and deserves all the positive karma we can give her. She says
> that the distributors cocked up, and that TPJs are being sent out this
> week.
So has anyon
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:10:50PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> So owing to a dearth of X.1 CDs I had a friend rip a copy for me, but it
> doesn't boot. Is there a way with the Mac to force it to boot off CD?
Hold down C.
If I were you though I just wouldn't go there. That it won't boot
seems
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:57:53AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Channel #london.pm was created at Thu Oct 19 14:48:32 2000
>
> Which by my reckoning means that #london.pm's first birthday is today in a few hours
>:)
Nope, it ain't, we did this before though.
*rummage*
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:11:59PM +0100, Richard Clamp said:
> Nope, it ain't, we did this before though.
Ok, the current incarnation of #london.pm on london.rhizomatic.net then :)
You passing up the chance for a celebration?
--
: off the wagon and hitching a ride
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:48:51AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out the age of
> Diophantus,
> "Here lies Diophantus," the wonder behold . . .
> Through art algebraic, the stone tells how old:
> "God gave him his boyhood one-
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:27:59PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Ok, the current incarnation of #london.pm on london.rhizomatic.net then :)
>
> You passing up the chance for a celebration?
Nope, I'm just deeply cynical about made-up geek events like this and
1e9. It'll do until Halloween though,
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:51 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>4840
> Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance.
For some reason, this sounds like a tape drive to me
>3 , 7 , 31 , 127
> Clue: They are in sequence
2**p - 1, where p is prime
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Here's the post of Tony Finch's to oxbridge.tat (yes, I have his
permission to repost it) that persuaded me to buy this book. Below
it is my reply, which is less well-written, but has excerpts.
Kake
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Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTEC
> > You passing up the chance for a celebration?
>
> Nope, I'm just deeply cynical about made-up geek events like this and
> 1e9. It'll do until Halloween though, I suppose.
As opposed to a made up event like Halloween or Christmas?
cheers
Andrew
But Diophantus studied equations that are solvable in integers only. I
reckon that that is a clue to the desired solution.
Richard
From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10/19/01 12:31:29 PM
>On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:48:51AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>> And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out
>> the age of Diophantus,
>> "Here lies Diophantus," the wonder behold . . .
>> Through art algebrai
> Assuming the latter ...
>
>x/6 + x/12 + x/7 + 5 + y + 4 = x # son's life is y
>y = (x/6 + x/12 + x/7 + 5 + y)/2
Actually y = (x - 4) / 2 is easier to work with.
cheers
Andrew
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:55:22AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote:
> I believe your error was in the calculation of 4 x 504 :)
Oh yeah. Oops.
Look! It's the Goodyear blimp! [runs away]
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:34:36PM +0100, Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) wrote:
> > Nope, I'm just deeply cynical about made-up geek events like this and
> > 1e9. It'll do until Halloween though, I suppose.
>
> As opposed to a made up event like Halloween or Christmas?
Yes, which is why I phrased it
Hi
> > As opposed to a made up event like Halloween or Christmas?
>
> Yes, which is why I phrased it made-up _geek_ events, and then gave
> 1e9 as a further example.
>
> I don't hold much joy for Christmas though, but Halloween and Bonfire
> Night rock my world.
My point is that they're all ma
* Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:51 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >4840
> > Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance.
>
> For some reason, this sounds like a tape drive to me
>
> >3 , 7 , 31 , 127
> > Clue: They a
Dave's 84 is the correct answer for this riddle.
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> From: David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 10/19/01 12:31:29 PM
>
> >On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:48:51AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >> And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out
>
To summarise the answers we have so far .
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>4840
> Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance.
>1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126
> Clue: Don't use C to work this out
>3 , 7 , 31 , 127
> Clue: They ar
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:34:36PM +0100, Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) wrote:
> > > Nope, I'm just deeply cynical about made-up geek events like this and
> > > 1e9. It'll do until Halloween though, I suppose.
> >
> > As opposed to a made up event like Hal
* Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> My point is that they're all made up by somebody somewhere. Halloween
> was probably invented by the geeks of the day.
See BtVS, who's the geek? Willow, who's the Wicca? Willow. What more
evidence does Andrew need. Although I agree with Gi
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> Join the XP cult!
"The cost for the day will be approx 150squid although we have some
concessions for BCS OOPS members and students."
Wow, they sure know how to organise a cheap one day conference these
XP cultists
Leon
--
Leon Bro
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:51:43PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote:
>
> I don't hold much joy for Christmas though, but Halloween and Bonfire
> Night rock my world.
That reminds me, I must book my tickets for the NPL [1] fireworks.
They have Real Ale and suspect sausages. And some fireworks,
appare
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:15:09AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
> Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > Most people can be bothered to make sure that their zones
> > are RFC compliant. Most people who can't are spammers. (Note
> > that I said most).
>
> That reminds me of a question I had.
>
> Can som
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 03:20:36PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> "The cost for the day will be approx 150squid although we have some
> concessions for BCS OOPS members and students."
>
> Wow, they sure know how to organise a cheap one day conference these
> XP cultists
I wonder how well recei
Peter Haworth wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:51 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >3 , 7 , 31 , 127
> > Clue: They are in sequence
>
> 2**p - 1, where p is prime
aka "Mersenne numbers". (A subset of those numbers is the "Mersenne
primes".)
Apparently, they're important in factoring
Greg McCarroll wrote:
>1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126
> Clue: Don't use C to work this out
Ah! Got the joke. (Well, after peeking in the EIS.) Actually, C *does* have
something to do with those numbers.
>212
> Clue: Mark Fowler should know this one
It's a NYC area code.
Cheers,
Ph
Greg said:
> Although I agree with Giles in 6x04 ;-)
Can I ask that, as a personal favor to me, for the few of us who don't
live in America, and who don't go in for all this blatantly law breaking
warez crap, that we quit it with the continual mention of buffy (and
angel) episodes that haven't b
Nicholas Clark wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:15:09AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
>
> > Then I got a complaint about a message of mine not having a
> > Message-ID header, and I found that my client apparently does
> > not generate such a
>
> This may not directly have been what you were
Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:51 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > >4840
> > > Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance.
> >
> > For some reason, this sounds like a tape drive to me
> >
> > >3 , 7 ,
Mark Fowler wrote:
> (Can this go for Enterprise and anything else like that toothanks)
Jolene Blalock gets rubbed down with "detox" gel in the first episode of E.
Oops.
(Never seen it[1]; the above info was gleaned from Slashdot, several days
ago.)
Cheers,
Philip
[1] though I'd like to..
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I remembered one of my favourite books, "The Penguin Dictionary of
> Curious and Interesting Numbers".
Good book :)
> So hear we go (some are easy, some are pretty much impossible)..
>
>4840
Clue: page 158. Is it Robin Szmetia, esq
> so who fancies hosting the london.pm halloween fancy dress party?
There's an all-comers fancy-dress halloween party oop here. Those who can be
arsed are welcome to attend, although I don't see how you could fail to have
a better time in That London.
I'm going as Monkey.
--
Matthew Jones
So, my amazon wishlist has got huge and I wanted to total it all up ...
... so I wrote a script. In Perl! Yay! (well it uses Lynx because LWP::*
doesn't seem to work, maybe if I changed the Browser identifier, hmm)
It works for .co.uk and .com :
[simon@dabox simon]$ amazon --help
% amazon [-uk
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:49:57AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote:
> And a couple that will probably be seen as classics in the future:
>
> Extreme Programming Explained - Kent Beck
> Refactoring - Martin Fowler
I'd possibly change XPe to "Planning Extreme Progamming" - Beck and Fowler.
I'd also add F
* Chris Devers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126
> >3 , 7 , 31 , 127
>
> I can't find these ones! I can't cheat! :)
>
I did these ones myself ;-)
> Not in the book!
Yes it is. Read the clue again carefully and think about it.
Greg
--
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* Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I wonder how well received YAPC::Europe 19100 would have been if it had been
> 11 times more expensive.
Well at least people would of had muffins. ;-)
(this might be an in joke, so if you want it explained ask me at the
next social meet)
Greg
--
Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:49:57AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote:
>> And a couple that will probably be seen as classics in the future:
>>
>> Extreme Programming Explained - Kent Beck
>> Refactoring - Martin Fowler
>
> I'd possibly change XPe to "Planning Ext
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:30:51PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
> Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> >212
> > Clue: Mark Fowler should know this one
>
> It's a NYC area code.
It was, for many years, *the* nyc area code.
dha
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Job Title: PERL DEVELOPER - LONDON/CITY #30K/45K
Location: LONDON - CITY
Type: Permanent
Salary/Benefits: 45000
Skills: INTERNET DEVELOPMENT My client a the world's leading provider
of risk management products to banks, Hedge Funds, Asset
managers, Insurance companies and Broker
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
*wibble*
Grep, get a life!
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:53:35PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
> Since then, I insert a
> 'fake' message ID using my mailer's "add an extra header" feature when I
Oh great, so all your messages have the same Message-ID: (assuming that
any mailer that is too broken to add them is probably too lo-
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:33:12PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> network configuration =) I believe the phrase was "If they want to
> mail it to me they'll fix it". On the contrary, it has made sure
> I leave it exactly the same way as it is now =)
You can hardly say on the contrary here, you
Well for my part im definetly up for the Paris venue if it ever happens...
Hmmm Paris, Perl and Unix... man and they say romance aint never dead !
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Director Wired4Life Limited
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07713 241 956
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:09:53AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Job Title: PERL DEVELOPER - LONDON/CITY #30K/45K
> Location: LONDON - CITY
> Type: Permanent
> Salary/Benefits: 45000
> Skills: INTERNET DEVELOPMENT My client a the world's leading provider
> of risk management products to
On Fri, 2001-10-19 at 21:42, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
> >Jeff Pinyan (japhy) works for them.
> Sounds like a good not reason for not working there then ;-}
Oh, bah. Japhy's great; he helped me out a lot going over code and
fixing the stupid
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 09:47:58PM +, Chris Ball wrote:
> On Fri, 2001-10-19 at 21:42, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
> > >Jeff Pinyan (japhy) works for them.
>
> > Sounds like a good not reason for not working there then ;-}
>
> Oh, bah. Ja
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:34:53PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:09:53AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > Job Title: PERL DEVELOPER - LONDON/CITY #30K/45K
> > Location: LONDON - CITY
> > Type: Permanent
> > Salary/Benefits: 45000
> > Skills: INTERNET DEVELOPMENT My cli
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:09:53AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> For more details and to apply for this job, please click the link below
> http://www.newmonday.co.uk/servlet/JobLookupServlet?profile_id=3043577&job_id=3587035
"Job lookup functionality requires JavaScript, JavaScript is disabled
Anyone else receiving this can "thank" O'Reilly for providing them with
your address. Not cool.
*plonk*
Paul
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To: oreillynet.com(at)paulm.com
Subject: News from NuSphere -- #10
Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>*plonk*
Nooo, you don't *plonk*, you LART.
Go on. They'll thank you for it in the long run.
(that, or post it to n.a.n-a.e and we'll do the larting for you, i love
nanae.)
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Kate L Pugh wrote:
> Here's the post of Tony Finch's to oxbridge.tat (yes, I have his
> permission to repost it) that persuaded me to buy this book. Below
> it is my reply, which is less well-written, but has excerpts.
>
I went and got this from one of our libraries today.
Friday, October 19, 2001, 8:30:50 PM, anathema wrote:
a> Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>*plonk*
a> Nooo, you don't *plonk*, you LART.
a> Go on. They'll thank you for it in the long run.
a> (that, or post it to n.a.n-a.e and we'll do the larting for you, i love
a> nanae.)
I love
Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I love nanae too. That's why I'd suggest posting it in sightings
>instead. Maybe an article *about it* in nanae, but the spam itself,
>with headers, to sightings.
Well, Ye-es, but I tend to prefer having the headers right there in nanae
myself, regardless
Friday, October 19, 2001, 9:28:41 PM, anathema wrote:
a> Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I love nanae too. That's why I'd suggest posting it in sightings
>>instead. Maybe an article *about it* in nanae, but the spam itself,
>>with headers, to sightings.
a> Well, Ye-es, but I tend to p
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:11:59PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:57:53AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > Channel #london.pm was created at Thu Oct 19 14:48:32 2000
> >
> > Which by my reckoning means that #london.pm's first birthday is today in a few
>hours :)
>
> Nop
Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>a> Well, Ye-es, but I tend to prefer having the headers right there in nanae
>a> myself, regardless of the fact that that's not what it's there for.
>So a compromise. Headers and description to nanae, full text of spam
>to sightings. Everybody's happy, and
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> *wibble*
>
> Grep, get a life!
>
Dave,
trust me that isn't that sad, what would be sad is if i had already
started writing a quiz for next friday and dreamt some of the
questions, and was say for exa
This is the first time in six years I've been seriously irritated with a
Debian package. This bug applies to you if you're running X and recently
did an woody/testing up{date,grade} which will've included
xfree86-common
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200110/msg00396.html
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> the first game I hacked with a hex
> editor
>
I seem to recall that the first game that I hacked was Poseidon Adventure
for the Dragon 32 - I discovered that the last room was decidedly iffy and
added another bit where you go
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> OpenGL
>
Well you could use Linux::Svgalib now - it needs some testers ;-}
/J\
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> I've just had word back from the fine folks at dns(at)pm.org (aka Ben
> Hockenhull) that london.pm.org is now in control of its own domain
>
Paul, you're a Lady *and* a gentleman I'm sure we'll all buy you a drink
when you can bring yourself to come ba
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Kate L Pugh wrote:
> Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Bad software is like those humorous posters depicting "a day at the
> > beach", covered with hundreds of people doing ridiculous things.
> > Little bits of it may be amusing, but they combine to make a whole
>
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Andrew Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:33:12PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> > network configuration =) I believe the phrase was "If they want to
> > mail it to me they'll fix it". On the contrary, it has made sure
> > I leave it exactly the same way as it is now
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
>Jeff Pinyan (japhy) works for them.
(Hopes he's not subscribed here).
Sounds like a good not reason for not working there then ;-}
/J\
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:
>
> Bonfire
> Night
>
It is Hastings Bonfire tomorrow night if anyone is interested - big
marching round with flaming torches and banging drums and setting fire
to some effigies on the beach ty
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:21:40PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
>
> Who is the greater artist ? Scott Bradley or Bach ? Bach was presented
> the grand commission and set about his work as a professional and produced
> some music that people of the court at the time liked (perhaps) and that
> has
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Well you could use Linux::Svgalib now - it needs some testers ;-}
>
Does it run under X-Windows in a window?
Greg
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