On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
unless it's in checked luggage. So, do I take another piece of
luggage with just a couple of
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
symbian
this name wasn't choosen at random, it comes from symbiosis,
i.e. living together for mutual benefit. which reflects exactly what
the company is about, at least in the eyes of its owners,
Ericsson/Sony/Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Matsushita,
From: Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
Can't you just leave the penknife at home?
The
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 09:05:49AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
symbian
this name wasn't choosen at random, it comes from symbiosis,
i.e. living together for mutual benefit. which reflects exactly what
the company is about, at least in the eyes
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Am I going to be the only one without a laptop?
No.
(Unless, of course, someone rich donates one to me before September.)
Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
the hatter wrote:
Figure out one person who has no choice but to take hold
luggage, and all hand over your contraband prior to
departure ?
Did you pack this piece of luggage yourself, sir? Did you accept any items
from anyone else to carry with you on the flight?
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:12:20AM +, Paul Mison said:
[ snip bits about adding letters ]
That was the second bit I was going to add but I scooted to work before
the traditional Monday Morning Victoria Line madness.
Mind you, I'm with Simon on syzygy. A rather obscure astronomical term
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:23:49AM +, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is that like wanna see my etchings??. Am I going to be the only one
without a laptop?
Probably not.
I'm currently finding the pan and paper in pocket, computer on desk
thing to help my brain more than always having a laptop to
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
Generally these names, stupid as they sound, do have some relevance.
What about Accenture then ?
/J\
On Fri 15 Feb 2002, Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to suggest that we make this a special social meeting. Lets
take the whole of the cellar and make it a challenge for us as a
group [...] to bring Perl programming friends along, maybe to
encourage old members of the list who
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:12:39AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
Generally these names, stupid as they sound, do have some relevance.
What about Accenture then ?
It sends a message about the company: We lost the lawsuit which would
have let us use the name
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:12:39AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
Generally these names, stupid as they sound, do have some relevance.
What about Accenture then ?
OK, fair enough, that one's got me. Although maybe they 'highlight' or
'accent' the
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Giving up Marathons wasn't so hard but Opal Fruits was more of a problem.
Up until last year I could still ask for a Marathon and the shopkeeper
wouldn't bat an eyelid and hand over the correct chocolate bar [1]. Last
year was the first time I got Sorry? we
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Am I going to be the only one without a laptop?
No.
Good. We shall be sociable and drink beer instead.
Well, modulo the beer as far as I'm concerned. Sounds like a plan otherwise.
Cheers,
Philip
This is my pl.
I want a pipe line. I want multiple objects to be passed into the start
of the pipeline, handed to various plugins, and then returned.
I want the pipeline to be concurrent, multiple things should be able to
move through the pipeline at the same time because the requests can come
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Barbie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Giving up Marathons wasn't so hard but Opal Fruits was more of a
problem.
Up until last year I could still ask for a Marathon and the shopkeeper
wouldn't bat an eyelid and hand over the correct chocolate bar
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
the hatter wrote:
Figure out one person who has no choice but to take hold
luggage, and all hand over your contraband prior to
departure ?
Did you pack this piece of luggage yourself, sir? Did you accept any items
from anyone else to carry
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:12:20AM +, Paul Mison wrote:
Mind you, I'm with Simon on syzygy. A rather obscure astronomical term
doesn't seem to have any resonance with their business; I'm fairly
certain it was chosen because it 'looks cool'.
from dictionary.com:
The combining of two feet
--- Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon
Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Giving up Marathons wasn't so hard but Opal Fruits
was more of a problem.
Ok so which one was the Marathon? I forget. Unless a
company has been shown to have committed egregious
sins (slavery, etc) I consume strictly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By globalised I meant when a brand has been changed to fit in with a
more homegenised global ideal.
But it's being changed to fit in with a more homogenised global ideal.
They're being changed because it's a whole lot easier
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* at 18/02 10:46 + Simon Wistow said:
[0] I won't buy any 'globalised' brands for a start.
how do you square this with owning computers and the like? it's always
struck me as the problem with being in this industry and worried about
these things
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:
This is my pl.
Okay.
I want a pipe line. I want multiple objects to be passed into the start
of the pipeline, handed to various plugins, and then returned.
Sounds like OpenFrame (well, and a lot of other things, but anyhows)
I want the pipeline
* at 18/02 12:59 + Rob Partington said:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By globalised I meant when a brand has been changed to fit in with a
more homegenised global ideal.
But it's being changed to fit in with a more homogenised global ideal.
Rob Partington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
But it's being changed to fit in with a more homogenised global ideal.
They're being changed because it's a whole lot easier dealing with one
brand name. I read a rationale somewhere about the SuperMop (I think)
that pointed out that having
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:16:29PM +, Mark Fowler said:
So, what are your feelings on the Americans renaming the harry potter film
then? Good? Bad?
That's just an indication of ignorance. See also Pret a Porter - Ready
to Wear.
It's dumbing down. How are people going to learn if you
Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
This is waht my supervisor does when he goes to Japan.
Me too.
But they want to restrict _weight_ now so be careful.
--
Dave
jo walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i was browsing google's vacancies in an offhand sort of a way, and
wondering what a Customer Success Engineer got up to. i didnt manage to
find out before i read this in the spec [0]:
* Strong scripting skills (Python or Perl) are required
* Programming
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Branded clothing is in no way guaranteed to be better than quality. My
Vans fall apart very quickly and my Levis split at the crotch.
well take them back then, and have them replaced for free. That's why we buy
brands, because we have a comeback if they're
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Earthlink have an abuse engineer.
Is that like the chap in the Monty Python skit with the paid-for arguments?
Sorry, arguments are two rooms further down. This is abuse.
Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If
From the nice features from Turbo Pascal, brought to Perl department:
Okay, strangely inspired by Russells Pixies tribute, and a few bottles
of beer, I noticed Perl doesn't have a Cwith operator.
my %foo = (
foo = [qw( bar baz )],
bar = { key = 'value' },
);
my $baz = 'outside';
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Robert Shiels wrote:
I'm not saying BTW that I like globalisation, I dislike it a lot. I went to
a shopping centre in Manchester at the weekend, and looked in a discount
book store. They had the same books, for the same price, as the shop in
Slough. This surprised me,
* at 18/02 14:00 - Robert Shiels said:
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Branded clothing is in no way guaranteed to be better than quality. My
Vans fall apart very quickly and my Levis split at the crotch.
well take them back then, and have them replaced for free. That's why we
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at this way. Think about the average person. Well, the bell curve
dictates that 50% of people are more stupid than that. That's
depressing. But pandering to the left hand side isn't going to help
things. It's just going to keep shifting the curve
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the nice features from Turbo Pascal, brought to Perl department:
Okay, strangely inspired by Russells Pixies tribute, and a few bottles
of beer, I noticed Perl doesn't have a Cwith operator.
Ruby does, kinda, if you
On 18/02/02 13:35 +, Sue Spence wrote:
--- Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By globalised I meant when a brand has been changed
to fit in with a
more homegenised global ideal.
FWIW, the US already had a Marthon bar (it looked like
a Curly Wurly). That's probably the
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:34:38PM -, Barbie wrote:
Your system clock is way out. Start hiding from Herr Mison now :)
--
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 02:36:53PM +, Rob Partington wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the nice features from Turbo Pascal, brought to Perl department:
Okay, strangely inspired by Russells Pixies tribute, and a few bottles
of beer, I
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:34:38PM -, Barbie said:
been declining. Perhaps in part to the fact that kids are more likely to be
taught by the images of Ronald McDonald and the like on TV than having their
parents taking the time and effort to provide a basic grasp of the real
world.
In a
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:01:02PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
It also seems it wasn't quite original thinking of my own:
http://dev.perl.org/rfc/342.pod But I don't know how the apocalypses
have rated that rfc.
I realised I was being too lazy, and looked:
Apoc4 states:
-
RFC 342:
Summary: Have you tried mailing your question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 08:30:42PM +, Martin wrote:
The problem is that I really want to be able to load my new
functionality dynamically. So I have tried to compile the C script as a
shared library (I read the gcc info
From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:34:38PM -, Barbie wrote:
Your system clock is way out. Start hiding from Herr Mison now :)
That was me buggering about trying to test things earlier and forgot while
posting.
Cheers Rich.
Barbie.
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Branded clothing is in no way guaranteed to be better than quality. My
Vans fall apart very quickly and my Levis split at the crotch.
well take them back then, and have them replaced for free. That's why we
buy
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's odd. People claim they're paying for quality when they buy DG but
won't buy better quality frying pans or kitchen knifes that will last
them a life time and end up buying cheap shit instead.
Probably because they can't afford to buy decent kitchen
Barbie == phughes Barbie writes:
Barbie And perhaps not too surprisingly the intelligence of the
Barbie average person has been declining.
It has? I wouldn't say so. I'd say that search engines and net access
make us more intelligent than we've ever been, if you equate
intelligence
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 02:56:32PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
built in shoddiness is against the law, if they aren't fit for the purpose,
then the shop must replace them or give you a refund. This is something
that's wrong with the UK, people don't exert this right because they don't
like
From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know why everyone is so down on Levis though, I've been wearing
their jeans for years with no problem. And non-branded stuff from markets
is
generally low quality, and cannot be returned, I see no straw man there.
I guess it must depend on the
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 02:56:32PM -, Robert Shiels said:
built in shoddiness is against the law, if they aren't fit for the purpose,
then the shop must replace them or give you a refund. This is something
that's wrong with the UK, people don't exert this right because they don't
like to
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 02:56:32PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and the point about the non branded is kind of a straw man. just
'cause levi's are a bit better than the bloke down the market stall
doesn't make it right. the point is that levi's et al are
* at 18/02 14:59 + Jonathan Peterson said:
Hey, I like Levi's!
just an example :)
There's a difference between the brandname thing and the globalisation
thing. Brands have been qith us for a while, and people have been buying
brands for the sake of the brand for hundreds of years.
on 18/2/02 2:56 pm, Robert Shiels at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And non-branded stuff from markets is generally low quality, and cannot
be returned, I see no straw man there. The T-shirt looks great, but
wash it and it loses it's shape and colour. Branded stuff in shops has
a decent
Please kill this thread or move it to ::scr
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:27:10PM +, Roger Burton West said:
Threads are a bit dodgy but work everywhere; you may suddenly run into
something which they Don't Do. (This has happened to me.) You also need
to worry about thread-safety of every module you use.
Forking works beautifully
On 18 Feb 2002, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Please kill this thread or move it to ::scr
no, hang on, i can see an analogy, i can see it.
rshiels wrote
I can walk into a BK restaurant anywhere in the world and know exactly
what I'm eating. Same for Pizza Hut et al.
or
I can turn on an intel pc
on 18/2/02 4:01 pm, Dave Hodgkinson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please kill this thread or move it to ::scr
Oh, I thought ::scr was supposed to be an on-topic tech list. Even less
appropriate for this discussion than London.pm. Ramblings on globalisation
are much more (void)-y, I'd imagine.
From: Sue Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm, so intelligence equates to memorization of
meaningless facts?
Nope, that was just a memorable moment.
Color me unconvinced
Hmmm. Is that globalisation or not setting language ;)
Education has suffered badly in recent years, and there have been many
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
Anyone know how portable it is?
Not as portable as threads of forking. I tested OF (which has a
standalone preforking webserver) on many platforms and everything
worked fine. Of course, in most cases you're not too concerned about
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:24:00PM +, Andy Wardley said:
Either way, there should be a better general method for doing pipeline
driven slot dispatch, either as a product of OpenFrame and/or Camelot
and/or something new, some time Real Soon Now.
Cool.
I'm playing with Coro at the moment
on 18/2/02 4:34 pm, Barbie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Education has suffered badly in recent years, and there have been many
examples in the news in the last years that should convince you. Plus,
kids are more prone to lack of parental education/guidance than they
were 20+ years ago.
Heh,
Oh, I know this. I meant, when you get down to it is OpenFrame a
while (1) {
...
sleep ($foo)
}
loop? Or a prefork or threaded or some strange new beast or ...
None. OpenFrame is none! Moohahahhhahahahahaha!
Its an exercise left up to the implementor. For example, under
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:15:07AM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
So no Tetley[1] for us then. If I buy it, will you still drink the cups
of tea [2]?
tea++
yes. tea++
[1] Tea, not beer.
[2] Actually we drink PG. Or proper English Breakfast when we're feeling
more Islington.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:01:22PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Please kill this thread or move it to ::scr
Wierd - I was actually enjoying reading this thread! I often don't
read threads on this list. Maybe if you don't like the thread, you
should just not read it? At least it is not
Chris Carline wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:14:20PM +, Sue Spence wrote:
Hmmm, so intelligence equates to memorization of
meaningless facts?
Not being able to name the monarch equates to appalling ignorance.
Whether ignorance equates to intelligence is another matter, but they
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:37:17PM +, Simon Wistow wrote:
That's just an indication of ignorance. See also Pret a Porter - Ready
to Wear.
Porter means primarily to carry, so ready to go. The wear meaning is,
AFAIK, a related sense of carry.
It's dumbing down. How are people going to
That sentiment was expressed too by Einstein who claimed not to remember
his phone number on the basis someone else had it written down (i.e.
in the phone book).
If you subscribe to the 'learning through doing' theory then that explains
why I can never remember my phone extension (i.e. its
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:39:36PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
big-snip/
globalising your product line is cheaper but it leads to
worse products as they then have to be all things to all people hence
compromising on features in order to make them more global.
I don't see that as a logical
* at 18/02 16:00 - Robert Shiels said:
From: Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
however you look at it globalisation is only good for the large
companies and not for anyone else.
sorry for snipping everything, but I have no idea how you can come to that
conclusion. I'm not for it, but
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is Whittard a particularly southern thing - as implied by the full name,
Whittard of Chelsea - or are my family particularly incompetent at
Christmas shopping?
Well, there's almost 100 stores throughout the UK listed on their website
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
Theoretically decreasing overhead means decreased prices for consumers,
but we all know that never happens in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'm paying less for an 80GB of harddrive storage now
than I would've paid two years ago.
* at 18/02 13:51 -0800 Paul Makepeace said:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
Theoretically decreasing overhead means decreased prices for consumers,
but we all know that never happens in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'm paying less for an 80GB of harddrive
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 16:51, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
Theoretically decreasing overhead means decreased prices for consumers,
but we all know that never happens in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'm paying less for an 80GB of
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 05:39:02PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
What about the case of the previously mentioned Levis? If their
production costs dropped to 0, do you think the price would drop?
How about sodas? I doubt production *could* get cheaper, yet neither
Coke or Pepsi ever drop
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 05:39:02PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote:
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 16:51, Paul Makepeace wrote:
If decreased overhead didn't equate to decreased price for consumers
then,
* there is a monopoly situation (see: rules regs)
* someone else will decrease *their* price
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Struan Donald wrote:
however you look at it globalisation is only good for the large
companies and not for anyone else.
A friend of mine just finished his master's thesis on globalization,
studying political economy at Leeds [UK]. He went in expecting to reach
exactly
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