On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:39, Nicholas Clark wrote;
NC> > Like Soylent Green? :)
NC> Imagine the heath warnings that would have to carry, if it were
NC> made in the US.
NC> (My immediate thought was the fat per 100g, based on my
NC> impression of US obesity statistics, but it occurs to me t
* at 28/08 18:26 +0200 Robin Berjon said:
> Nicholas Clark wrote:
> >On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:39:49PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
> >>I don't think that's what Elaine was pointing at. You're hit by a bus and
> >>die. How do they contact your friends and family if you can't be
> >>identified?
> >
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something
> that produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the
> web would be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of
> people. E.g., a client could see in detail w
* at 28/08 19:40 +0200 Ronan Oger (roasp) said:
> But how much are we *already* measured, controlled, and modelled, with and
> without our consent?
Databas NAtion by Garfinkel (spl?) has a lot to say about this.
> with consent:
> air miles card purchases track spending habits in order to sell
Je 2003-08-28 22:05:58 +0100, David Landgren skribis:
> [texte en fran?ais en fin de message]
Kial? Kun la lingvo internacia oni devus nur unu...
(Why? With the international language one'd only need one...)
> It was meant to be light-hearted, not churlish.
>
> I see mutterings about Esperanto
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that
produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would
be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a
client could see in detail what I'm doing on their projec
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 08:37:56PM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:29, Chris Benson wrote;
>
> CB> I thought it already was ...
>
> I thought that the US prison statistics were because of the War on
> Drugs.
Perhaps I mean sentencing statistics:
- if you're poor you're X% m
(this is in reply to several different messages in the same thread; this
isn't intended to be confusing, but may be ...)
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 03:01:14PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> My body will be identified by my PGP key which is tattooed into my
> groin. ;-)
1. does your PGP key have
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:13:38PM +, the hatter wrote:
> I'm fairly sure the UK has a law like that, if not, then it did, and it
> might have been repealled.
the nearest i can think of is the law criminalizing begging, which has
not been repealed. i have a vague idea that when it was introdu
You know how people are always asking what it means to be a
london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have
to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just
have to be subscribed to the mailing list?
Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID car
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Andy Wardley wrote:
> You know how people are always asking what it means to be a
> london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have
> to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just
> have to be subscribed to the mailing list?
>
> Well I have a
Je 2003-08-29 09:19:27 +0100, Andy Wardley skribis:
> It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating
> benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their
> winkies.
I saw an RFID bug recently - they're imminently swallowable, or even
winky-insert-up-a
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*>
*>Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards?
*>That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and
*>instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking
*>to see their ID cards.
:) Well, I'll p
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:11:05AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that
> produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would
> be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a
> client c
the hatter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unusually, for someone without a full license, I have a photocard, and I
> carry it most times, as a photo ID. It'll be interesting to see if I can
> use it as ID in the US, instead of my passport, though I won't be near
> much civilisation, so probably won'
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:38:23PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
>> 2. The governments ability to deliver large scale IT projects is almost
>> zero. Time after time major projects have failed and this will be the
>> largest IT project undertaken by centra
Michel Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is
> the pound sign when you need it?).
£
What, no HTML email? ;-)
-Dom
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Michel Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is
> > the pound sign when you need it?).
>
> £
>
> What, no HTML email? ;-)
I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing f
Je 2003-08-29 09:58:40 +0100, Dominic Mitchell skribis:
> Michel Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is
> > the pound sign when you need it?).
>
> £
£ might be easier for some to remember.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote;
MR> (where is the pound sign when you need it?).
Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap...
--
Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer
after a rather difficult c
Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*>
*>I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID
*>cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?).
http://www.axis-of-aevil.org/photos/yapc2003/IMG_1812.html
Just have people be the XML :)
e.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:07AM +0200, Michel Rodriguez wrote:
> I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID
> cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?).
XML? Huh!
http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#";
xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/";
>
Londo
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
>
> This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer
> after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced.
> " You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am
> lecturing it extremely well."
That s
Je 2003-08-29 10:35:13 +0100, Ben skribis:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
> >
> > This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer
> > after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced.
> > " You may feel that this is a little unclear but
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote;
>
> MR> (where is the pound sign when you need it?).
>
> Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap...
No AltGr on my keyboard, but Alt+# works in vi, but not in pico
apparently, too b
Quoting Sam Vilain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> Interestingly, Alzheimer's is a condition which is easily reversable
> by a well managed dietry programme and lots of fish (or fish oil). It
> is almost certainly caused BY government dietary recommendations.
>
I highly doubt this. Seems a giant over s
I'm spitting out files that I'm creating from a data structure.
Currently these are uniquely named using Data::UUID. It's very good at
the task, but in some situations I need the filename to stay the same for
each identical data structure each and every time I run my script.
Essentially what I ne
Je 2003-08-29 00:59:55 +0100, Sam Vilain skribis:
> eat 6-8 servings of carbohydrates a day is that your insulin system
> goes bananas,
Heh.
> promise similar things (eg, the Atkin's diet ... heh, Dr. Atkins died
> recently of heart disease, bless his cotton socks).
He in fact died while in a co
On 29 Aug 2003 at 10:56, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> margarine - why do people even consider eating this shit? Ignorance?
> Don't care about themselves? Laziness? Habit?
My theory: no taste buds.
Margarine icky, butter much better.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Subject: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #1567 - 14 msgs
> A message sent on Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:49:02 +0100 sent by
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> has been blocked by WGSN.
>
> This mail has been found to contain offensive text
>
Well fuck tha
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*>
*>Well fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Indeedand I just got a 'non-member' bounce.
e.
This rather amused me. The conversation between two pieces of mail
software could have gone on for ever.
/J\
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:42:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Syssup MailBox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Your message to london.pm aw
I've just discarded 56 spam messages caught by london.pm's anti-spam member-
only policy. It was tedious, and is unlikely to get better. They all
share the trait of having HTML in them.
Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
I
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:27AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> This rather amused me. The conversation between two pieces of mail
> software could have gone on for ever.
>
> /J\
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:42:19 +0100 (BST)
> From: Syssup MailBox <[EMA
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2003 at 10:56, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
>> margarine - why do people even consider eating this shit? Ignorance?
>> Don't care about themselves? Laziness? Habit?
>
> My theory: no taste buds.
>
> Margarine icky, butter much better.
Ah, but onl
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
> messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
>
Fine by me.
Glad you got rid of those mails - I saw the messages when I got in this
morning and felt decidedly depondent at the prospect.
Je 2003-08-29 11:46:09 +0100, Paul Makepeace skribis:
> Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
I meant s/mixed/alternative/, sorry. Mixed can be useful for posting
code, altho' I imagine that could generate a debate in its own right.
There've <20 such messages in th
Dom wrote:
> Ah, but only salted butter. Unsalted butter is the vile spawn of satan.
Unless you are making chocolate truffles or cakes in which case un-salted
butter rules.
Adrian
**
The information contained in this
>
> Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments?
>
I've been playing with Evolution for 4 months, and am now trying to weam
myself off it. I am dissatisfied with the amount of resources it takes up.
I'm on KDE/300MB ram/500MHz Thinkpad 600X, and Evolution seems to take up too
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:14:18PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> If you need special treatment it would seem reasonable to carry
> something stating so, and it doesn't need to identify you if you don't
> want to. For example, I believe many diabetics wear a bracelet with
> some weird symbol on
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Ronan Oger (roasp) wrote:
> > Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments?
> >
>
> I've been playing with Evolution for 4 months, and am now trying to weam
> myself off it. I am dissatisfied with the amount of resources it takes up.
Evolution broke horribl
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:
>I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but
>I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative, as they usually render
>perfectly well in decent console MUAs.
Spammers have noticed that people are banning text/html only; q
Je 2003-08-29 12:16:19 +0100, Earle Martin skribis:
> Sounds like MedicAlert. My mum has one for an intolerance.
Medic bracelets for No PHP/emacs/vi/HTML/etc?
Global reduction in geek blood pressure would follow swiftly...
Paul
--
Paul Makepeace ... http:/
Title: RE: insidious biometrics, identity crises
>Merijn Broeren
>Quoting Sam Vilain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>>
>> Interestingly, Alzheimer's is a condition which is easily reversable
>> by a well managed dietry programme and lots of fish (or fish oil). It
>> is almost certainly caused BY gove
Je 2003-08-29 12:17:28 +0100, Michael Stevens skribis:
> I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but
> I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative, as they usually render
> perfectly well in decent console MUAs.
Good point indeed, they do. However, just to clarify/reiterate: the
pur
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:09AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> I propose rejecting non text/plain messages in exim's system filter. The
> advantage of this is it is straightforward (and I know how to do it :-),
Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at
SMTP time? The
At 11:46 29/08/03, Paul M* wrote:
Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
If someone sends both text and html as multipart/mixed would it be possible
to throw away the html and leave it as plain text?
Or are you suggesting that
Paul Makepeace wrote:
I've just discarded 56 spam messages caught by london.pm's anti-spam member-
only policy. It was tedious, and is unlikely to get better. They all
share the trait of having HTML in them.
Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
messages anywhere i
Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data
> structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little
> brain is thinking serialisation either by Storable or YAML and then hashing
> with Digest::MD5 or one of the other common strin
Je 2003-08-29 12:42:23 +0100, Michael Stevens skribis:
> Yes, but it's the "stop spam, but don't overly affect legimitate usage"
> tradeoff that I was worried about. I strongly suspect there will be
> people reading london.pm from corporate mail clients where it is
> difficult/impossible to configu
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
the hatter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Unusually, for someone without a full license, I have a photocard, and I
carry it most times, as a photo ID. It'll be interesting to see if I can
use it as ID in the US, instead of my passport, though I won't be near
much civilisation,
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Alex McLintock wrote:
> At 11:46 29/08/03, Paul M* wrote:
> >Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
> >messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
>
>
> If someone sends both text and html as multipart/mixed would it be possible
> to throw away the htm
At 12:35 29/08/03, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Deployment of siesta may help[1] but will
not stem the spam. Which is what this is about :-)
What we should be asking ourselves is whether or not we want Paul messing
around
with spam protection when he should be translating the home page
into Esperanto.
David Landgren wrote:
>
> I think it would be a nice idea.
Although the scope of Ghandi's quote is much broader than the sole
North-American civilisation.
--
Their syphilisation, you mean, says the citizen.
-- J. Joyce, Ulysses
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:35, Ben wrote;
Be> That's the second pseudo-Kornerism you've sigged us with
Be> today. Is there a reason?
Sheer chance I'm afraid :-)
--
Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$h=$ENV{HOME};@q=split/\n\n/,`cat $h/.quotes`;$s="$h/.s"
."ignature";$t=`cat $s`;print$t,"\n",$q[rand
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:24, HellyerP wrote;
He> IIRC, research at the University of Calgary has recently
He> demonstrated that the brain changes associated with Alzheimer's
He> are directly attributable to Mercury poisoning. Of course,
He> that's largely in your head[1], as the standard 's
[For the english-speaking gentleman: see below for an english version]
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, David Cantrell wrote:
> Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> > I've just discarded 56 spam messages caught by london.pm's anti-spam member-
> > only policy. It was tedious, and is unlikely to get better. They all
> > share the trait of having HTML in them.
>
> If you are finding the task
Je 2003-08-29 14:24:20 +0100, Sam Vilain skribis:
> It is possible to get fish oil which has had these contaminants
> removed...
A dense source of EFAs is flaxseed oil. It's not particularly easy to
get hold of in the UK (easier in the US, IME). Organic/hippie shops sell
it, e.g. http://www.econat
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Steve Keay wrote:
> Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at
> SMTP time? The rejection message should be informative, like "550 posting
> to london.pm is restricted to members only. See http://whatever";.
Because we don't reject mails from non-su
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote:
> He> My s.o. has been ill for years with extreme pain, fatigue, and
> He> brain troubles. She's starting to recover after having had her
> He> fillings exchanged for composite ones last year. Without doing
> He> much in the way of detox, some of he
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:56, Paul Makepeace wrote;
PM> He in fact died while in a coma following slipping on ice earlier
PM> this year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2957343.stm
OK technically you're correct. BUT he *almost* died a year earlier:
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/901829.asp?0
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Mark Fowler wrote:
> I'm spitting out files that I'm creating from a data structure.
> Currently these are uniquely named using Data::UUID. It's very good at
> the task, but in some situations I need the filename to stay the same for
> each identical data structure each and e
> Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
> messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
You block Hotmail users.
Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you. Personally, I'd do it
in a heartbeat.
N
--
11 2 3 4 5 6
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:22:25PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:
> >
> > >I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but
> > >I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative
Je 2003-08-29 15:27:32 +0100, Clayton, Nik [IT] skribis:
> > Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed
> > messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ?
>
> You block Hotmail users.
>
> Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you. Personally, I'd do it
> in a heartbeat.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote:
>
> A less painful approach might just be to queue multipart messages for
> moderator review. As has been noted, there have only been a handful of
> these in the past six months, not all of which were meant to go to the
> list anyway.
>
Not less painful for
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:06:20AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
>
> Contrary to popular belief, Saints are also pretty careful about knocking
> things over except for the occasional accident with their tail. However,
> food left on the table at eyeball height is likely to disappear at light
>
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote:
>
> > A less painful approach might just be to queue multipart messages for
> > moderator review. As has been noted, there have only been a handful of
> > these in the past six months, not all of which were meant
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:48:33PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> Martin Bower recently appears to be posting in text/plain from a
> hotmail.com account. There have been others too it seems
> (mutt: ~f @hotmail.com)
I've asked a few Hotmail-using friends to switch from HTML (or rich
text as Hot
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:48:33PM +0100, Paul Makepeace said:
> Does anyone have any URLs they like explaining switching to text/plain
> in Outlook etc?
These links may help
Steve Keay wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:09AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
I propose rejecting non text/plain messages in exim's system filter. The
advantage of this is it is straightforward (and I know how to do it :-),
Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 02:24:20PM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:24, HellyerP wrote;
>
> He> IIRC, research at the University of Calgary has recently
> He> demonstrated that the brain changes associated with Alzheimer's
> He> are directly attributable to Mercury poisoning
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote:
>
> Of course, if all spam starts having a text/plain branch, then my
> suggestion ends up not helping very much...
>
Then we start killing the spammers
/J\
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:59:40PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
> Mark Fowler wrote:
> >
> > Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data
> > structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little
> > brain is thinking serialisation either by Stora
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:59:40PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
> > Mark Fowler wrote:
> > >
> > > Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data
> > > structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee litt
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 07:57:26PM +0100, Shevek wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > In the general case it's likely that different versions of Storable and
> > Data::Dumper will hash to different values. It's possible that even
>
> They bloody well should. They store the vers
Robin Berjon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Nicholas Clark wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:48:56AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
>>>happens if you get hit by a bus and you're alone? How do you expect your
>> Someone calls and ambulance, and no-one at the hospital worries
>> whether you
>>
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:38:23PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
>> 2. The governments ability to deliver large scale IT projects is almost
>> zero. Time after time major projects have failed and this will be the
>> largest IT project undertaken by cent
Elaine -HFB- Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
> *>
> *>On a conceptual level I have no particular problem with carrying an id
> *>card. Do I trust the government to get it right and to protect my data ?
> *>Not a bloody chance !
>
> Indeed, I feel the sa
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