On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
unless it's in checked luggage. So, do I take another piece of
luggage with just a couple of
From: Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
Can't you just leave the penknife at home?
The
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Am I going to be the only one without a laptop?
No.
(Unless, of course, someone rich donates one to me before September.)
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
the hatter wrote:
Figure out one person who has no choice but to take hold
luggage, and all hand over your contraband prior to
departure ?
Did you pack this piece of luggage yourself, sir? Did you accept any items
from anyone else to carry with you on the flight?
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:23:49AM +, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Is that like wanna see my etchings??. Am I going to be the only one
without a laptop?
Probably not.
I'm currently finding the pan and paper in pocket, computer on desk
thing to help my brain more than always having a laptop to
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Am I going to be the only one without a laptop?
No.
Good. We shall be sociable and drink beer instead.
Well, modulo the beer as far as I'm concerned. Sounds like a plan otherwise.
Cheers,
Philip
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
the hatter wrote:
Figure out one person who has no choice but to take hold
luggage, and all hand over your contraband prior to
departure ?
Did you pack this piece of luggage yourself, sir? Did you accept any items
from anyone else to carry
Lucy McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
This is waht my supervisor does when he goes to Japan.
Me too.
But they want to restrict _weight_ now so be careful.
--
Dave
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
I worry if keeping us all alive is
reliant on stopping anyone from bringing a two-inch blade aboard...
I'm saving up a lovely rant about the (lack of) security on my flights to
and from
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
unless it's in checked luggage. So, do I take another piece of
luggage with just a couple of items in it? Or buy
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
This is waht my supervisor does when he goes to Japan. Apparently, it
really confuses airport staff. I don't think I could fit all my required
girly stuff in hand luggage.
Tony
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
This is waht my supervisor does when he goes to Japan. Apparently, it
really confuses airport staff. I don't think I could fit all my required
girly
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Lucy McWilliam wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
This is waht my supervisor does when he goes to Japan. Apparently, it
really confuses airport staff. I don't think I could fit all my required
girly
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
I remember Milan. I had to change planes there twice. On the way there, I
had one hour to change planes, and the first plan was an hour late. Result:
the lady from the checkout desk ran with me down the walkway when she saw me
approaching and
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you
will
have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a
co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard driver
Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as
opposed to dark brown keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas?
All the keyboards I know are (off-)white keys labelled in black. Are they so
the hatter wrote:
Do I just hang out with the wrong people, or is anyone else on
the position of not knowing anyone who actually uses [dvorak] ?
I don't know anyone, either. I once came across the web site of someone who
wrote some software I had used, and he said he used Dvorak keyboards. But
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark brown
keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas?
The keyboard that came with my Dell
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:40:53AM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote:
I don't know anyone, either. I once came across the web site of someone who
wrote some software I had used, and he said he used Dvorak keyboards. But I
don't remember who it was. No-one I know personally uses a Dvorak keyboard,
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS
fashion. They had got the angle of the two sides right so as to reduce
wrist strain, but then put a convex curve across the rows of keys, forward
to back, effectively moving the
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 09:07:22PM +, the hatter wrote:
But back to one of the earlier discussions. I've only just run across
someone who actually uses dvorak keymaps.
Martin Portman (aka Doktor von Portski), the cow-orker I share an office
with, uses Dvorak and has done for many
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Andy Wardley wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 09:07:22PM +, the hatter wrote:
But back to one of the earlier discussions. I've only just run across
someone who actually uses dvorak keymaps.
Martin Portman (aka Doktor von Portski), the cow-orker I share an office
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
I always thought it was Gray, as it used to be coloured gray. I've never
used it.
/Robert
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
For no particular reason I can readily identify, I thought it was alt
graphics, too, though
Newton, Philip wrote:
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
german (why is Ctrl Strg?)
My expansion is Steuerung, which, I suppose, is supposed to be a
translation of Control. But I still say Konntrohl Tsee for Ctrl+C, not
Strig Tsee or Steuerung Tsee.
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands
Robert Shiels wrote:
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used
to think it was Alt German, but I think also other
national keyboards have it. Alt Graphic, perhaps?
I always thought it was Gray, as it used to be coloured gray.
Ivor Williams wrote:
Alt Graphics is correct. This was a reserved for future
use key, that MS pressed into service when the Euro currency
symbol was invented. (AltGr + 4)
It's been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to obtain { [ ] } \ ~
| on a standard German computer keyboard. (As
nemesis wrote:
The Gr in Alt Gr stands for German, by the way.
from http://www.monochrom.at/cracked/factoids01.htm (FACTOIDS #4/01).
Wether there is any truth in this I don't know.
It must be true; I read it on the Internet is all I'll say about the
probably truth of that one.
Cheers,
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:56:45 -, you (Ivor Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
Alt
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Alt Graphics is correct. This was a reserved for future
use key, that MS pressed into service when the Euro currency
symbol was invented. (AltGr + 4)
It's been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to obtain { [ ] } \
~
| on a
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
I wonder how to get the other accents on a UK keyboard. I know CharMapper
and ALT+nnn do, but that's cheating. ;-)
There are quite a few ways to do this in $EDITOR [1]. emacs has quite a
few modes like this (some I fall into by mistake and then can't
Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
[AltGr has] been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to
obtain { [ ] } \ ~ | on a standard German computer keyboard.
That must make writing perl quite painful. !-)
Which is why a co-worker of mine uses a US
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 12:04:20PM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote:
It's still coloured grey on my keyboard, but so is the regular Alt key as
well as Shift, Ctrl, Tab, Return, and a bunch of other control-ish keys. The
colour might be a German thing, then.
This 'ere keyboard (Sun type 6) has grey
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 06:42, Ivor Williams wrote:
That must make writing perl quite painful. !-)
I suppose you would get used to it though. AltGr becomes just another shift
key.
I was at a client site in Rome, using my fifth keyoboard layout for the
month, trying to write a little perl. It
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:47:51AM +, the hatter wrote:
Between us, we've tried pretty much every input device that money can buy
(as one of the general remits of our research): regular keyboards, ergo
keyboards, chording keyboards, split keyboards, twiddlers, mice, trackballs,
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The weirdest thing about the office was seeing an ashtray on top of a
Sun 4500. The espresso was great too.
Man, tell me about it. I had a couple of days in Milan once and apart
from the instant itchy eyes and nasal streaming from the pollution, it
was
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
And the euro is AltGr+E in most Microsoft layouts IIRC. (It is in the
German layout.) Ah, right: see
http://www.eu.microsoft.com/typography/faq/faq12.htm#kbd . The only ones
who're different are Greek Latin, Hungarian, Irish, Latvia
QWERTY, Polish,
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
Try this key and 4 inside a MS application like Word.
Chris Devers wrote:
because they already had something on AltGr+E.
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard
bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Where would AltGr typically go on keyboards that have them?
The right Alt key would be
Ivor Williams wrote:
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard
bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
Try this key and 4
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:30:30PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Your opinion seems to be that of about 30% of MSNK users who've
commented. The other 70% think the first version was vastly better and
the second was horrible. Personally, I can't use
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
I'm
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 11:13, Piers Cawley wrote:
Is the elite the vile one with the cursor keys in a diamond
arrangement instead of the inverted T? I hated it when I first played
with one, and liked my original natural thank you very much. (But it
really only got useful if you tilted it
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason -- most US users don't need to produce
accented letters (and many are
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bet this really pisses off the Hispanics and French Canadians.
Sound like a plan.
--
Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Interim Technical
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:35:26AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:30:30PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Your opinion seems to be that of about 30% of MSNK users who've
commented. The other 70% think the first version was vastly better and
the second was horrible.
Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm quite sure I've never seen ALTGR on a US
keyboard. Ever.
[snip]
but it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason
Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason -- most US users don't need to produce
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:54:58PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to be able to input data at speech speed.
Talk slower.
--
Chris Benson
Vaugly off topic...
I've been sitting here watching random TV and watching with vauge facination
a stenographer at work. A stenographer transcribes word for word the
proceedings of courts, meetings etc...
Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a computer.
We all know
Dave
-Original Message-
From: mass
Sent: 13 February 2002 13:55
To: london.pm
Cc: mass
Subject: User Input at speed
Vaugly off topic...
I've been sitting here watching random TV and watching with
vauge facination
a stenographer at work. A stenographer transcribes word
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaugly off topic...
not for this list :-)
Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a computer.
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down. So,
anyone know any good mechanisms which are designed to speed us up?
I think
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, nemesis wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a
computer.
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down.
So, anyone know any good mechanisms which are designed to speed us up?
I
David == David Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording
David keyboard with a key resting under each finger of the right
David hand.
I had one of those! The only words I remember how to chord are 'ill'
and 'jam',
Chris Devers wrote:
As for truly faster, speech-speed input -- how about a microphone?
Try visiting http://slashdot.org with voice recognition :-)
--
*claw claw* *fang*
*shred* *rip* *ad hominem* *slash*
(more attacks will require consultancy fees.)
-Nix.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:04:21PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard
with a key resting under each finger of the right hand.
I could get very close to real time 'speech' input in about three weeks
but stopped using it
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 08:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been sitting here watching random TV and watching with vauge facination
a stenographer at work. A stenographer transcribes word for word the
proceedings of courts, meetings etc...
Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of
On 13 Feb 2002, Mike Jarvis wrote:
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 08:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down
I could swear I read somewhere that this was a UL, but I can't find a
reference.
I always believed it to be true but maybe not
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:54:58PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down.
That's a myth. QWERTY was designed to speed us up by moving the typebars
for common letter sequences (e.g. TH) to different ends of the spread so
that they
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:40:17PM +, Chris Ball wrote:
Speech interfaces are a little
broken when you're either in a situation with lots of background noise
or want to do something without everyone around you knowing what it is.
Anyone remember the ICL OPD? It solved these problems
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:04:21PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard
with a key resting under each finger of the right hand.
You can get the CyKey keyboard by itself these days:
this subject it is a strange meme zoo.
there's the meme that says QWERTY keyboards are designed to slow down
the typists to stop them from breaking mechanical typewriters. a
different flavour is that QWERTY keyboards are designed around more
general limitations of a mechanical typewriter.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:16:31PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:40:17PM +, Chris Ball wrote:
Speech interfaces are a little
broken when you're either in a situation with lots of background noise
or want to do something without everyone around you knowing what
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone remember the ICL OPD? It solved these problems perfectly: instead
of having big speakers and a stalk microphone, it came with a phone
handset (which one could also use as a real phone, of course). Suddenly
you could actually _use_ sound, in
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down
I could swear I read somewhere that this was a UL, but I can't find a
reference.
http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html
alex wrote:
b) all the same, it takes considerable time+effort to switch
from QWERTY to dvorak.
Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you will
have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a
co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:55:30PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
It was a Sinclair QL on steroids and was used in the 1980s by BT a bit
(rebadged as a Merlin?)
Yup. Not an especially grunty machine even for the time, but it did have
that one fundamental good idea which has been ignored since.
R
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you
will
have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a
co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard driver isn't working; at
an Internet café;
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white
I found the kind of fluorescent lighting in most offices made the
keys difficult to read with this kind of keyboard. No, I don't have
to look
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 05:36 PM, Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark
brown
I'd love to track down a translucent labelless keyboard. I can touch
type
From: Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark
brown
keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas?
I picked up an old Fujitsu one at a computer fair a couple of years
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
At one previous employer, I remember a few supposedly ergonomic keyboards
which were QWERTY, but split in the middle into two halves at an angle. I
found these keyboards impossible to use.
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:53:33PM +, James A Duncan wrote:
[0] Oddly enough I prefer a UK layout if I'm writing copious
documentation, or perhaps even a piece of prose.
Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape?
If I'm writing
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:53:33PM +, James A Duncan wrote:
[0] Oddly enough I prefer a UK layout if I'm writing copious
documentation, or perhaps even a piece of prose.
Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape?
How is it
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS
fashion.
[snip]
The second version a year or so later fixed this problem and is much nicer
to use. Must be the only Microsoft product I've ever recommended.
Your
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0600, Chris Devers wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape?
How is it usually shaped on UK keyboards?
Almost always a large backwards L IME.
The enter
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0600, Chris Devers wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape?
How is it usually shaped on UK keyboards?
Almost always a large backwards L IME.
From: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS
fashion.
The second version a year or so later fixed this problem and is much
nicer
to use. Must be the only
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Robert Shiels wrote:
Must be the only Microsoft product I've ever recommended.
I've heard and agree with a lot of bad things said about MS software, but MS
make very good hardware IMO. I have 2 MS mice and an MS Sidewinder
forcefeedback joystick. They are very solid,
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
[stuff about ergnomic keyboards]
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark brown
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
At one previous employer, I remember a few supposedly ergonomic keyboards
which were QWERTY, but split in the middle into two halves at an angle. I
found these
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