Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Ken Yap
>1. What kind of hardware do I need at the workstation end? > >As I said, we have Sparc's. If we have to replace them by PC's we won't >save as much. I guess we will still save because we'll be able to go for >low-end PCs. > >Can etherboot work on a Sparc? You don't need Etherboot for Sparcs.

[Ltsp-discuss] When to use Gigabit ?

2003-11-16 Thread hazzmat
With small Gigabit switches coming down below $100 and eepro 1000 cards at $49 it's possible to think about Gigabit in SOHO applications. When does the extra speed begin to be felt in LTSP applications? Only in larger networks, or would it also help small networks that run heavyweight desktops?

RE: [Ltsp-discuss] Broadcom 440 10/100 ether-bootable?

2003-11-16 Thread Timothy Legge
> > I have a Dell laptop which I'd like to boot as an LTSP client but > > rom-o-matic doesn't list a driver for the broadcom 440 10/100 card that > > is in it. Does anyone have any info that might help, (like maybe it's a > > re-badged chip set, ok ok but I can hope can't I? ;-) > > > > Under RH9.0

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:21:57AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But consider that the people who did contribute did the best they > could, so a gentle question along the lines of 'I don't really > understand computers, I do understand computers. Very well actually. > and how LTSP is suppos

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread jam
> I must say that trying to figure out LTSP has been an exercise in > frustration. The website is difficult to browse. The HOWTOs are > anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on Mozilla and are > difficult to read. > The main page is a gignatic mass of text which appears to have no r

[Ltsp-discuss] Broadcom 440 10/100 ether-bootable?

2003-11-16 Thread jam
Pete > I have a Dell laptop which I'd like to boot as an LTSP client but > rom-o-matic doesn't list a driver for the broadcom 440 10/100 card that > is in it. Does anyone have any info that might help, (like maybe it's a > re-badged chip set, ok ok but I can hope can't I? ;-) > > Under RH9.0 i

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:29:18PM +1300, John O'Gorman wrote: > I disagree completely. The documentation is excellent. From step by step > setup to troubleshooting. > > Furthermore, when I had troubles (not the fault of documentation but of > a Network Interface chipset not supported by the LTS

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread John O'Gorman
I disagree completely. The documentation is excellent. From step by step setup to troubleshooting. Furthermore, when I had troubles (not the fault of documentation but of a Network Interface chipset not supported by the LTSP linux kernel) Jim helped me on the IRC chanel (the 1st time I had ever

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-16 Thread Brook Humphrey
On Friday 14 November 2003 11:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Fedora is (Redhat quote) 'bleeding edge, not for production use'. > My week of testing gave me 3 bugs compared with 0 over 5 years. Not sure what version of redhat you are using but I have used it as a development platform a few times

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Jan Wilson
* Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031116 14:45]: > I AM willing to help out with some of the documentation, after I've learned > about LTSP. I am a farily experienced documentation writer, and I've spent > a lot of time learning about it. I am currently working on a Starter Guide > for the

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Peter Rundle
G'day Daniel, Ok you asked for it so here it is starting from the very very basics. Firstly you need to understand that the X-Window System is a *network* window system. It allows an application to be run on one computer but have it's output (graphical display) and input (mouse and keyboard) se

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What is LTSP?

2003-11-16 Thread Dieter Kroemer
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2003 20:23 schrieb Daniel Carrera: > Now, a couple of questions: > > 1. What kind of hardware do I need at the workstation end? > > As I said, we have Sparc's. If we have to replace them by PC's we > won't save as much. I guess we will still save because we'll be > able

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What is LTSP?

2003-11-16 Thread Ken Cobler
Daniel Carrera wrote: 1. What kind of hardware do I need at the workstation end? As I said, we have Sparc's. If we have to replace them by PC's we won't save as much. I guess we will still save because we'll be able to go for low-end PCs. Can etherboot work on a Sparc? etherboot was design

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread wouter . debacker
Daniel, On 16-Nov-03 Daniel Carrera wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to say to everyone that I recognize that I should have > written my email differently. Apologies accepted. > I don't think that it's wrong to express my frustration, but the > way I did it was not the best, and I can see how it co

RE: [Ltsp-discuss] Help with devfs and cdrom

2003-11-16 Thread Atli Thorbjornsson
Thank you very much, Mr. Peter Rundle! Atli Thorbjornsson. -Original Message- From: Peter Rundle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16. november 2003 21:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Help with devfs and cdrom Atli, > I added the following line to lts.conf: MO

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Dieter Kroemer
Hi Daniel, Am Sonntag, 16. November 2003 20:48 schrieb Daniel Carrera: > > > but which page are you reading? russian economist papers? > > As I said, the main page. The one you get at http://ltsp.org/ I think you are right with the start-page. The first time I was there, I also searched for th

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello, I'd like to say to everyone that I recognize that I should have written my email differently. I don't think that it's wrong to express my frustration, but the way I did it was not the best, and I can see how it could make people upset. Your responses have not been nearly as angered as t

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:35:12AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Gee, and we're probably Ugly too! :-) I'm sure you're not so ugly. > By the way - you misspelled the word "the" as "he" in the last line > of your "bottles of beer" phrase. Thanks. > > (Am I picking nits? Yes. Why? Because you

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
> Your frustration is coming through loud and clear. I am often surprised > at the terse level of criticism that is aimed at open source projects by > newcomers. Thank you for understanding. I am actually not a newcomer. I have been part of the community for 5 years. I'd say that most OSS sof

[Ltsp-discuss] Local Apps problem

2003-11-16 Thread Mike Lindsay
Hey all :) I'm trying to get the local apps working on the clients, all has been going well...until now ;P When I run the netscape script on the client to load it locally rsh returns the following: PBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound the script: HOST=`echo $DISPLAY | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'` r

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:04:13PM +0100, Maurice Libes wrote: > so I personnaly encourage you to show us how you can improve things... > take the poorly written doc, go to you bedroom until 4 am and rewrite > a professionnal HowTo .. I will appreciate it I might do that, but for now I am worki

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:00:12PM +0100, Dieter Kroemer wrote: > Am Sonntag, 16. November 2003 13:44 schrieb Daniel Carrera: > > I must say ... frustration. > > The website is difficult to browse. > > The HOWTOs are anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on > > Mozilla and are diffic

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What is LTSP?

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:56:36AM -0600, Ken Cobler wrote: > >First question: Is LTSP a distribution? Or is it an add-on package? > > > > LTSP is an add-on package from the server perspective. On your LTSP > server, you still run your favorite distribution of Linux ... From the > client per

[Ltsp-discuss] RE: video problem

2003-11-16 Thread hazzmat
A cheap 2mb ati video card fixed the flickering problem. But the card is a Rage 3d II and it apparently is not supported by the X4.1 --only back in the 3.3. series. Lack of DCC in Xfree 3.3.6 is still a pain. Is there a way to upgrade the XFree86 version in LTSP-3.0 to the most current release ?

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread John McCreesh
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:44:05 -0500 Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I must say that trying to figure out LTSP has been an exercise in > frustration. The website is difficult to browse. The HOWTOs are > anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on Mozilla and are > difficult t

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] video problem

2003-11-16 Thread hazzmat
I played with xvidtune and although there was a lot of play in the settings, and I was able to ameliorate the bad size/fit of the display, it didn't affect the ghosting/flickering thing. Also I tried another identical IBM desktop --same trio chipset same memory-- and it did the same thing. The

[Ltsp-discuss] OT - moving print queues to a new server

2003-11-16 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
Dear Folks, I am moving my production environment to a new server. I am stumped on moving the print queues. In the 'olden days' all it took was to copy /var/spool/lpd tree, and presto! - all the printers were there. I am running RH9 with LPRng on both servers and I'm too lazy to reenter 90

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] PXE-Error-E32-TFTP-Timeout

2003-11-16 Thread donais
If you use the latest kernel; check the path in /opt/ltsp/; it must be the same as the on configured in dhcpd.conf at the line filename for each host. Michel > I have a Problem with PXE. > General: I can boot the LTSP-Clients with Floppy and/or Boot-Eprom. > Fact: LTS and TFTP are running. > But

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:44:05AM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > I must say that trying to figure out LTSP has been an exercise in > frustration. The website is difficult to browse. The HOWTOs are > anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on Mozilla and are > difficult to read. Gee,

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Don Burns
Daniel, Your frustration is coming through loud and clear. I am often surprised at the terse level of criticism that is aimed at open source projects by newcomers. Remember, this is free software and a back-breaking effort by generous folks who do the best they can. The objective of open softwa

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Maurice Libes
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:44:05AM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > I must say that trying to figure out LTSP has been an exercise in > frustration. The website is difficult to browse. The HOWTOs are > anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on Mozilla and are > difficult to read. so I

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What is LTSP?

2003-11-16 Thread Ken Cobler
Daniel Carrera wrote: Hello, Sigh. I have been trying to figure out the basics of LTSP and for the life of me I just can't figure it out. I'm finding the documentation very frustrating because it assumes that I already know something about LTSP. I am a fairly knowledgeable Unix user, and a g

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Dieter Kroemer
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2003 13:44 schrieb Daniel Carrera: > I must say ... frustration. > The website is difficult to browse. > The HOWTOs are anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on > Mozilla and are difficult to read. ... and so on ... Have you paid for it? Perhaps you are rig

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] video problem

2003-11-16 Thread wouter . debacker
Flickering? Could it be that your modelines aren't what they should be? Wouter On 16-Nov-03 hazzmat wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Hazzmat, >> >>I've used lots of S3 cards with LTSP. >> >>You said you installed the ltsp_x336_s3 package. Did you also >>set XSERVER = XF86_S3 ?I'm gues

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] video problem

2003-11-16 Thread wouter . debacker
S3? No problem! I am using them at 800x600 for about 3 years now. However, most of the older S3 models simply don't have room for more than 1 Mb of on-board RAM and usually came with only 512 Mb. >From experience and for my needs I have determined that my thin clients at least have to be 486DX4/10

[Ltsp-discuss] Poor Documentation & Website

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
I must say that trying to figure out LTSP has been an exercise in frustration. The website is difficult to browse. The HOWTOs are anecdotal, un-professional, they display poorly on Mozilla and are difficult to read. The main page is a gignatic mass of text which appears to have no real conte

[Ltsp-discuss] Teaching ICT with Gentoo and LTSP [was: Re:Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft]

2003-11-16 Thread wouter . debacker
On 16-Nov-03 Timothy Hart wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>An annual fee of $379 per machine to run Linux ??? > > That is for Enterprise Red Hat. Just use Fedora. It is basically > Red Hat 10. Gentoo is nice too though. Yes. Gentoo is nice, free (*both* as in free beer *and* in free speech

[Ltsp-discuss] Help with devfs and cdrom

2003-11-16 Thread Atli Thorbjornsson
Hi, I am trying to access the cdrom in runlevel 3 and failing miserably. I am running the latest kernel with ide-disk builtin. I added the following line to lts.conf: MODULE_01 = ide-disk. ide-disk shows up on the workstation in lsmod. The cdrom is recognized somewhere in the boot sequence

[Ltsp-discuss] PXE-Error-E32-TFTP-Timeout

2003-11-16 Thread Wolfgang Dechamps
I have a Problem with PXE. General: I can boot the LTSP-Clients with Floppy and/or Boot-Eprom. Fact: LTS and TFTP are running. But with PXE the Client will not booting. At the Client i can see all needed Adresses (dhcp,mac,subnet etc.) I checked all files in /tftpboot/lts/2.4.22-ltsp-1. For the cli

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP mentioned by IBM at desktoplinux conference

2003-11-16 Thread jam
Ken, Yep. I was in the audience during that presentation, and boy was I surprised at the mention of LTSP. Woke me right up :) Even cooler, it was the 4th presentation during that conference where they mentioned LTSP in some way. (Not including my own presentation). Anyway, off to Comdex in

[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP mentioned by IBM at desktoplinux conference

2003-11-16 Thread Ken Yap
http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article003/index.html It's slide 14 if you want to cut to the chase. --- This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and secure way to access your computer from any Web browser or wi

[Ltsp-discuss] What is LTSP?

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello, Sigh. I have been trying to figure out the basics of LTSP and for the life of me I just can't figure it out. I'm finding the documentation very frustrating because it assumes that I already know something about LTSP. I am a fairly knowledgeable Unix user, and a grad-student member of t

[Ltsp-discuss] Broadcom 440 10/100 ether-bootable?

2003-11-16 Thread Peter Rundle
G'day, I have a Dell laptop which I'd like to boot as an LTSP client but rom-o-matic doesn't list a driver for the broadcom 440 10/100 card that is in it. Does anyone have any info that might help, (like maybe it's a re-badged chip set, ok ok but I can hope can't I? ;-) Under RH9.0 it uses the