Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-19 Thread Anselm Martin Hoffmeister
bob wrote: It has been a redhat centric project, and even a year and a half ago when I asked in this forum, I was told that the best bet was to go with redhat as it was most compatible with this project, that debian was not that well supported. I am very tired of hearing from my vendors

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-19 Thread Peter Billson
Everyone, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE enough with the RedHat thread. I think you have all established that there is disagreement. Your discussion will be more appropriate and more useful on a RedHat list. If you feel that you will just burst if you don't respond to what Anselm or Bob has said,

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-19 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, bob wrote: I'm sure I'll be told to chill out but I think these points do need to be addressed, publicly, in the open, in the interests of the projects users. I trusted this forum for guidence only to be burned by redhat, what distro would be best? Bob, by all

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-19 Thread Brook Humphrey
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 08:19 pm, bob wrote: I agree completely, that's been my point exactly, whether fully understood or not in my recent posts.  I've tracked and used this project since 1999 when I presented it to the UN in Geneva for consideration for their use in missions around the

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-18 Thread Brandon Mercer
Ken Yap wrote: Mmm, this is getting rather OT for LTSP. Could you guys take this to some other forum please? My take on the situation is that there are Why do you tell us to take this to another list and then give your take on the situation? heaps of alternatives to RH, and the GPLed source

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-18 Thread Jeff Self
On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 20:48, bob wrote: hazzmat wrote: Not that anyone should care what I think, but the longer I'm in this game, the more I respect the ability and accomplishments of the Debian Project. Most proprietary Linux distros have done something in last 4 or 5 years to

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-18 Thread jam
Look guys, it's gone on long enough. Redhat's decisions are NOT part of our focus on this list. As Ken says, there are plenty of alternatives to Redhat. So, move on already. Jim McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Brandon Mercer wrote: Ken Yap wrote: Mmm, this is getting

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-18 Thread bob
Brandon Mercer wrote: Ken Yap wrote: heaps of alternatives to RH, and the GPLed source remains GPL, so it's not a monopoly situation. Well, when all the major vendors of servers, Dell, HP, Compaq, and IBM, say that they only support redhat 7.3 and back, yes, it does start looking like a

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-18 Thread bob
Jim, I have the utmost respect for you and your work on this project. I believe it's one of the most important projects in Linux today. But how can anyone have any trust when it remains redhat centric? Please see my posts in reply elsewhere. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look guys, it's gone on

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread Brandon Mercer
Brook Humphrey wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 06:07 pm, Brandon Mercer wrote: mandrake is a great starter distro... they are not well suited for production environments. Brandon There are allot of us using mandrkae for servers that could very easily prove you wrong. Take a look at

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread Brandon Mercer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An annual fee of $379 per machine to run Linux ??? Try Gentoo Linux (http://www.gentoo.org). It comes at the cost of downloading two ISOs and roasting them onto a CD-R. After that you install and upgrade packages whenever you feel like it over the Internet. Mind you, the

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread John McCreesh
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:52:56 -0800 Brook Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 11:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora is (Redhat quote) 'bleeding edge, not for production use'. My week of testing gave me 3 bugs compared with 0 over 5 years. Not sure what version of

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread Stevn Bartley
WOW. I could not put it better than the subject above. I have been a RedHat linux supporter for about 5 years now. Until this morning With the announcement by RedHat to discontinue their retail product past the 9.0 version, I have been patiently waiting to see what shakes out of the mess.

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread hazzmat
Any RHCE out there want to give your view on how all this affects those of us with RedHat certification? Would you recommend that others (who're interested in certification) look to RedHat, or wait and see what develops with Novell/SUSE ? Not that anyone should care what I think, but the longer

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-17 Thread Ken Yap
Mmm, this is getting rather OT for LTSP. Could you guys take this to some other forum please? My take on the situation is that there are heaps of alternatives to RH, and the GPLed source remains GPL, so it's not a monopoly situation. --- This

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-15 Thread jam
Hi While Fedora is great for the hobbist, it will not cut it for many comercial even small comercial operations do to the lack of professional support. And given some of teh bigs that have shown up in Fedora that are not present in RH9 this could possibly be a very big issue.

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-15 Thread M. Balakrishna Pillai
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 10:35:53AM -0800, Kevin Humphries wrote: What impact will this major change have on LTSP? Will LTSP run on other vender distributions of Linux just as well? Which vender would you recommend I switch to as a replacement to Redhat? Use Debian GNU/Linux. with regards

RE: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-15 Thread wouter . debacker
An annual fee of $379 per machine to run Linux ??? Try Gentoo Linux (http://www.gentoo.org). It comes at the cost of downloading two ISOs and roasting them onto a CD-R. After that you install and upgrade packages whenever you feel like it over the Internet. Mind you, the install is done at the

[Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Kevin Humphries
What impact will this major change have on LTSP? Will LTSP run on other vender distributions of Linux just as well? Which vender would you recommend I switch to as a replacement to Redhat? We are small and presently only have two servers running LTSP with thin clients, but we can't afford

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Danilo
What impact will this major change have on LTSP? Will LTSP run on other vender distributions of Linux just as well? Which vender would you recommend I switch to as a replacement to Redhat? We are small and presently only have two servers running LTSP with thin clients, but we can't

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Evan Hisey
Kevin- LTSP will run on _any_ linux distrobution that has teh required servers and services installed. These are tftp,X(if you need it),telnet(if used),and dhcp. Some distros take more tweaking than others such as Slackware( I have scripts for 9.0 they should also work on 8) do to the BSD

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread John McCreesh
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:35:53 -0800 Kevin Humphries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What impact will this major change have on LTSP? Will LTSP run on other vender distributions of Linux just as well? Which vender would you recommend I switch to as a replacement to Redhat? I've been a RedHat

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
Kevin, I know that reading is hard and comprehension is even harder, but make the effort and just try to understand what RH is saying. What on Earth makes you think that you have to pay for RH software? Haven't you noticed anything about Fedora? Oh, and to answer your questions:

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Evan Hisey
Julius- While Fedora is great for the hobbist, it will not cut it for many comercial even small comercial operations do to the lack of professional support. And given some of teh bigs that have shown up in Fedora that are not present in RH9 this could possibly be a very big issue. Evan

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Evan Hisey wrote: While Fedora is great for the hobbist, it will not cut it for many comercial even small comercial operations do to the lack of professional support. And given some of teh bigs that have shown up in Fedora that are not present in RH9 this could

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Brandon Mercer
Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Evan Hisey wrote: While Fedora is great for the hobbist, it will not cut it for many comercial even small comercial operations do to the lack of professional support. And given some of teh bigs that have shown up in Fedora that are not present

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Cornelius Weiß
Then what is well suited for production environments? to say it short: debian is perfect if you want to have a most free and most stable server! cornelius --- This SF. Net email is sponsored by: GoToMyPC GoToMyPC is the fast, easy and

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Brook Humphrey
On Friday 14 November 2003 06:07 pm, Brandon Mercer wrote: mandrake is a great starter distro... they are not well suited for production environments. Brandon There are allot of us using mandrkae for servers that could very easily prove you wrong. Take a look at netcraft and look for

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread jam
Aren't we all just a little tired of talking about Redhat and what they are doing ? lets move on and try to be productive, eh ? Jim McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Dennis Veatch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 November 2003 09:07 pm,

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Brandon Mercer wrote: We stopped using redhat on our servers because it's one of the worst linux distros out there for stability. We're all intitled to our opinion and all grow attached to a favorite distro and while I agree redhat or mandrake is a great starter distro...

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we all just a little tired of talking about Redhat and what they are doing ? lets move on and try to be productive, eh ? Nah! Jim, who wants to be productive when we can happily engage in the act of throwing around a lot of natural fertilizer

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Julius Szelagiewicz
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Dennis Veatch wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 09:07 pm, Brandon Mercer wrote: We stopped using redhat on our servers because it's one of the worst linux distros out there for stability. We're all intitled to our opinion and all grow attached to a favorite distro and

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread Dennis Veatch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 November 2003 08:12 pm, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Dennis Veatch wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 09:07 pm, Brandon Mercer wrote: We stopped using redhat on our servers because it's one of the worst linux

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Redhat becomes Linux Microsoft

2003-11-14 Thread shogunx
Debian. Pretty darn stable. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Dennis Veatch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 November 2003 08:12 pm, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Dennis Veatch wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 09:07 pm, Brandon Mercer wrote: