[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
>> Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works >> for me and it's ok, and even if it did not work on my flowers, I would >> listen to music and play anyway. > > Donatella, the Mozart effect consists (or better is claimed to be) an > enhanced mathematical and spatial

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
> I thought that the structure of Mozart was conventional and > relatively uncontroversial: head, torso, two arms, two legs, the > usual minor appendages, etc. Peter Schiekele had an excellent discussion once of what makes WAM great as opposed to say, Salieri. WAM's strength was in adventurous mo

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
> Hah! I'm sure they'd turn their tails up at Salieri! Still, the > whales probably never saw "Amadeus," so they might not have thought > Salieri's music to be that bad after all. (Actually, I've never heard > a note of Salieri's music. Is it really that bad?). It is not bad, and rather elegan

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Edward Martin
I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In the downtown area, there has become a notorious area for teenage loitering. The city tried to disperse them, using many means, such as using the police to patrol & mingle. This did not work. So, what _was_ effective was

[LUTE] Re: OT - shawm ensembles

2006-01-06 Thread demery
Another group comes to mind, PAN - Project Ars Nova. A former recorder teacher of mine (Steven Lundahl) plays slide trumpet and other winds with them on occaision. PAN is a mixed ensemble with shawm(s) as needed, havent seen recent recordings by them, but have some older ones on CD and on LP. -

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Edward Martin
At 07:36 AM 1/6/2006 -0800, Howard Posner wrote: >Edward Martin wrote: > >>Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most >>obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse. > >Were they growing marijuana plants? No. ed >Roman Turovsky wrote: > >>Stockhausen is kno

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 05:36 PM 1/6/2006, Stuart LeBlanc wrote: >Actually there a contraposition "Mozart effect," involving the dispersal of >loitering teenagers, criminals, etc: > >http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/low-tech_loiter.html > >I would guess the reason for this effectiveness is that, for these

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
Actually there a contraposition "Mozart effect," involving the dispersal of loitering teenagers, criminals, etc: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/low-tech_loiter.html I would guess the reason for this effectiveness is that, for these people, listening to Mozart is like being forced

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
I agree with Howard's remarks. You can find an abundance of Mozart and similar in freshman music theory classes, the reason being the hallmarks of the "classical style": functional harmony, motivic development, antecedent-consequent phrasing, etc. which clearly define a syntax of music. Influenc

[LUTE] Re: exas Policeman Musician

2006-01-06 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
Try googling "Odessa steps" -Original Message- From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:34 AM To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: exas Policeman Musician "Labor sympathizers"? Gary - Original Message - From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
The effect in the rock greenhouse might be attributed solely to higher volume levels, which would loosen the soil and thus allow for greater aeration of the plant's root system. -Original Message- From: Edward Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:56 AM To: gar

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread David Rastall
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 01:56 PM, Howard Posner wrote: > But I wasn't monitoring your grammar; I was just counting question > marks. Ah. So you were monitoring not my grammar, but my syntax. ;-) > And you weren't around for the great > start-a-sentence-with-a-question-mark debate, in

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Robert Clair
> But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart > (and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would > not > be true of Bach, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Hindemith, Machaut, Dowland, > or Gesualdo. They're not true of Mozart in many cases, of course. I tho

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Howard Posner
David Rastall wrote: > And (as long as you're monitoring my grammar ;-) ;-) please excuse > my beginning the sentence with a conjunction) But I wasn't monitoring your grammar; I was just counting question marks. And you weren't around for the great start-a-sentence-with-a-question-mark deba

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread David Rastall
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 01:06 PM, Howard Posner wrote: > But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart > (and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would not > be true of Bach, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Hindemith, Machaut, Dowland, > or Gesualdo. Th

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Howard Posner
David Rastall wrote: > My point, though, was that this "effect," whatever it may be, would be > the same no matter which composer's name was atttached to it. But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart (and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread David Rastall
Ah, yes, but that last question: does it make you smarter? is the one they don't, because they can't, give you a straight answer to. DR On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Craig Allen wrote: > > David wrote: >> >> I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart? >> Why

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Craig Allen
David wrote: > >I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart? >Why not the "Bach Effect"? or the "Brahms Effect"? or any of the other >names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is >it because these researchers have determined that Mozart is the

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread David Rastall
Yes, I've seen those. I particularly like the Schoenberg one. My point, though, was that this "effect," whatever it may be, would be the same no matter which composer's name was atttached to it. David R On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Howard Posner wrote: > David Rastall wrote: > >>

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Howard Posner
David Rastall wrote: > I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: I count seven questions, but no matter... > why Mozart? > Why not the "Bach Effect"? or the "Brahms Effect"? or any of the other > names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is > it because t

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
>Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:05:04 -0500 >To: David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > >At 10:59 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote: >>I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart? >>Why not the "Bach Effect

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works > for me and it's ok, and even if it did not work on my flowers, I would > listen to music and play anyway. Donatella, the Mozart effect consists (or better is claimed to be) an enhanced mathematical and spatial

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Donatella Galletti
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > Edward Martin wrote: > >> Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most >> obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse. > > Were they growing marijuana plants? I do think so!! Donatell

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread David Rastall
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart? Why not the "Bach Effect"? or the "Brahms Effect"? or any of the other names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is it because these researchers have determined that Mozart is the best composer of al

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Howard Posner
Edward Martin wrote: > Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most > obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse. Were they growing marijuana plants? Roman Turovsky wrote: > Stockhausen is known to shrink trees into shrubbery. I believe it was people that it

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 09:21 AM 1/6/2006, Donatella Galletti wrote: >Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works >for me and it's ok... That's very important, as I tried to allude in my last note. >About the experiment below, did they care to check whether the people who >looked after

[LUTE] Re: Do pegs wear out?

2006-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 08:45 PM 1/5/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Spare pegs will >be harder to come by. Here's one source: I also know a luthier in Columbus, Ohio who was doing pegs for hire. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://ww

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Donatella Galletti
( I suppose this was for the list as well) Donatella - Original Message - From: "Satoshi Hayakawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > Dear Donatella and Dear friends, > > Unfor

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Donatella Galletti
Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works for me and it's ok, and even if it did not work on my flowers, I would listen to music and play anyway. About the experiment below, did they care to check whether the people who looked after the plants liked best rock or

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Stockhausen is known to shrink trees into shrubbery. I wonder if this were the method that Vance uses to produce bonsai. RT == http://polyhymnion.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/inde

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Or Morton Feldman. RT From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Perhaps a useful experiment would be to abruptly switch to a Salieri > recording, > after attracting them with Mozart. > > > -Original Message- > From: Edward Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
- Original Message - From: Donatella Galletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, January 6, 2006 4:10 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > As I was saying, the Alpha state is the state in the brains which > one has > before falling asleep, and is particularly proper to raise > intellec

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Taco Walstra
On Friday 06 January 2006 13:56, you wrote: > The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating myth. > > I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the "Mythbusters". Thus us a > funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed or > busted. In this episo

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Edward Martin
The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating myth. I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the "Mythbusters". Thus us a funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed or busted. In this episode, they set up identical greenhouses, in which on

[LUTE] Re: Kingham swan neck baroque lute case *CONTACT*

2006-01-06 Thread Benjamin Narvey
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[LUTE] Re: Kingham swan neck baroque lute case *CONTACT*

2006-01-06 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Dear all, Please respond to me off line and at the following address, since I've just found out my Oxford one will be shut down all weekend for important servicing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! In message Benjamin Narvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dear Luters, > > Sorry for running this mes

[LUTE] Kingham swan neck baroque lute case

2006-01-06 Thread Benjamin Narvey
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[LUTE] Re: exas Policeman Musician

2006-01-06 Thread gary digman
"Labor sympathizers"? Gary - Original Message - From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: exas Policeman Musician > > Odessa, Texas... hmm... Put him on a staircase with some labor sympathizers > and I'm sure he'll sh

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread gary digman
- Original Message - From: "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > and I also suspect my listening to classical music and playing > has an influence on the plants nearby, because they usually bloom e

[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy

2006-01-06 Thread Donatella Galletti
As I was saying, the Alpha state is the state in the brains which one has before falling asleep, and is particularly proper to raise intellectual performance. Lozanov, a professor, invented a method which is called suggestopedia and allows you to learn foreign languages ( as he was working with