On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:14:47 -0500, Bruno Fournier wrote
> dear collective wisdom,
>
> I am thinking of stringing my Colin Everette small archlute as a
> tiorbino. As some of you might know, Colin built many renaissance
> lutes on the tiorbino model, with 13 or 14 courses but was stringing
> it as
just for your information, I have a Tiorbino made by Colin Everett in
Ottawa.. I tune it at standard Renaissance pitch (like a regular lute)
my 7th through 13th course ( I don,t have 14 courses on this
instrument, although Colin also made 14 courses) are singles and I have
recently a
Hi Anthony,
The Cleveland "tiorbino" is a puzzle. The current bridge shows 6x2 +
8x1, but there are 14 pegs in the lower pegbox and 8 in the upper. My
best guess is that in its original form it was a 11c liuto attiorbato,
7x2 and 4x2. The string length of around 61cm for the petit jeu seems
Dear Anthony,
There's one tiorbino made by Johannes Hieber and Andreas Pfanzelt in Geneva,
Musée d'art et d'histoire, inv. no. IM 80.
This instrument has a new soundboard with a new bridge, but the pegs give the
following informations:
petit jeu:
11 pegs (suggesting 1x1 + 5x2, 48.4 cm string le
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From: Martyn Hodgson
To: Anthony Hart
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017, 7:40
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Tiorbino
Dear Anthony,
Extant instruments can be a minefield - what were they considered as
originally?; have they been altered?, etc...
A few r
I've had a tiorbino before and I find it awesome for playing solo
theorbo music. It sounds muck like a small harp. I even played De Visee
on it and twas divine.
Susan
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From: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de
Date: 11/17/19 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Lut
If I understand it well the tiorbini is tuned one octave higher than a standard
theorbo - hence you can play anything for theorbo, if you don't mind historic
accuracy but just pure fun.
Jurgen
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What's with this thing about "historic accuracy" anyway?
I am pretty sure people back then weren't half as dogmatic as
historically informed musicians today.
Depictions of ensembles often seem quite random in their choice of
instruments.
Also, what's the point of this scene:
"Hey guys, I have
> On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:47 AM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote:
>
> I was offered a Tiorbino, and I'm wondering what one can do with it (except
> of playing Bellerofonte-Castaldi): Are there any proofs that it was used for
> playing solo instead of a big theorbo or for playing continuo?
Probably n
I agree with Howard
If there is a free (or quite inexpensive) tiorbino around I would like to put
in a request.
Dick Brook
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:26 AM, howard posner wrote:
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>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:47 AM, yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote:
>>
>> I was offered a Tiorbino, and I'm wondering wha
I own a Colin Everett small archlute. 56.5/104..which I guess you could
consider a tiorbino, although I have never strung it as such. I tune
it in standard renaissance lute tuning, and I find if quite useful to
play everything from 6 course music to 13 course zamboni. Very easy for
Doesn't Besard's Novus Partus ask for a tiorbino for some of the
ensemble pieces?
On 11/20/19 9:12 AM, Richard Brook wrote:
I agree with Howard
If there is a free (or quite inexpensive) tiorbino around I would like to put
in a request.
Dick Brook
On Nov 19, 2019, at 3:26 AM, howard posner
I have three possibles listed:
the Hieber Pfanzelt in Geneva, 490 & 760 mm, 1x1, 5x2 + 5x1
MH in Brussels No.1578, 538 & 1069mm, currently
9x1+ 8x1 but the bridge is not original so I
suspect it was originally a 13 course tiorbino
with 1x1, 4x2 in lower pegbox. This is what
Castaldi calls
Dear David, dear Bruno,
thanks to both of you so much!
I agree that the Cleveland instrument, beautiful as it may be, seems more
likely to be a small arciliuto. And I'm grateful for your pointing at MH
Brussels No.1578. I shall try to get pictures and/or plans.
Mathias
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The Brussel instrument is depicted in âThe Lute in Europe 2" p. 114.
Because of the disposition of the petit jeu with 5 courses (1x1 + 4x2)
I think it could be a Chitarra attiorbata. The tiorbina tablature in
Castaldi asks for 6 courses in the petit jeu.
Andreas
Am 17.06.2020
Hi All,
I don't have many details of the Cleveland instrument, but I do have the
poster! I see 14 pegs for the petit jeu (7x2) and 8 pegs for the grand
jeu (4x2), making it a 12-course liuto attiorbato. I think it was Larry
Brown who had some measurements, if I remember correctly the petit je
Dear Martin,
It's up on Cleveland's website with lots of good
photos at
https://www.clevelandart.org/art/1918.368
Almost all original but according to my notes it
has new bridge and nuts so we will never know for
sure but they have it strung as 8 single strings
in on the extension. Rather
Many thanks for the clarification, Davide!
M
On 18/06/2020 11:16, Davide Rebuffa wrote:
Dear all,
The instrument in Cleveland could be a a very rare example of a 14-course small
archlute
(not a "liuto attiorbato" because it has single bourdons)
or a 14-course tiorbino in G.
The brand of
Dear Andreas,
Yes I'm sorry, you are right, 5 courses on the
petit jeu is not what Castaldi calls for. I must
change my notes which I made many years ago!
But the relative length of the extension on this
instrument does make it _look_ more like the
pictures which Castaldi engraved himself f
Dear all,
I just asked Cleveland for some more informations. I will share them
here.
Andreas
Am 18.06.2020 um 11:46 schrieb Davide Rebuffa
<[1]davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it>:
Il giorno 18 giu 2020, alle ore 11:16, Davide Rebuffa
<[2]davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it> ha sc
This is the version Colin Everett, now deceased Canadian luther, made.
He made several of these, 13 and 14 courses. Mine is 57/92 and
tuned as an archlute in G. It us very easy to play and allows me to
play everything from early Italian to Zamboni and all the English and
french r
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oops, forgot the pics
Le jeu. 18 juin 2020 Ã 09:47, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
a écrit :
> This is the version Colin Everett, now deceased Canadian luther, made. He
> made severa
On a side note, the names of the luthiers who built the tiorbino that is now
kept in Geneva, are given as: Johannes Hieber and Andreas Pfanzelt (both on the
museum's page and on Barber's / Harris's page).
The name of Hieber's colleague in Padua, though, apparently was Martin(o)
Pfanzelt, accord
According to the LSA database:
labelled: Johannes Hieber und Andreas Pfanzelt //.
Repair label: Louvet/ m (ai) tre luthier de paris
à avignon/ mai 1778 pur Mr. Carpentraz//
David
At 13:27 +0200 19/6/20, Mathias Rösel wrote:
On a side note, the names of the luthiers who
built the tiorbino
2020 14:08
An: Mathias Rösel
Cc: 'Lutelist'; 'Wolfgang u. Lenser-Emmerich Anita Emmerich'; 'Wolfgang u.
Lenser-Emmerich Anita Emmerich'
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Tiorbino
According to the LSA database:
labelled: Johannes Hieber und Andreas Pfanzelt //.
Repair label: Lou
Hi Stefan,
there's another print, Novus Partus by Besard (1617), that contains
music for the tiorbino.
Anything that is feasible on the theorbo should also be feasible on the
tiorbino, I suppose.
And I love that video by Albane Imbs.
Mathias
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Tremendous thanks for this, Diego. Transcibing such in an old and
foreign language text from an original would be a nightmare for me.
Jurek
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On 2008-02-05, at 21:56, Diego Cantalupi wrote:
That's the (difficult) text.
I'll try to upload he page later
ALLA NOBILE, SPLENDIDA E VIR
In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same
programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on
harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice.
Very interesting, thanks, Rob.
Jurek
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On 2008-02-05, at 10:55, Rob Lute wrote:
I ha
Diego, did you read the essay?
Rob
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On 2008-02-05, at 14:21, tiorba wrote:
In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same
programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on
harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical
practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob.
Jurek
It's indeed ve
Yes, Diego, what is the introduction by Castaldi left out of the Minkoff
print?
Rob
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Dear Diego,
On 2008-02-05, at 21:51, Diego Cantalupi wrote:
Changing instrumentation in music of the time is as natural as
breathing.
Almost all title pages of printed music testify to it.
Not so easy... it's very difficult, if not impossible, to find any
music for
theorbo
in mensural
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