the common lutes made
of yew.
Michael Thames
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From: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Dear Chad and All,
The question of what
Your certainly welcome, Alain,
Chad
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:25 AM
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Thank you, Chad,
Alain
Chad McAnally wrote
buying more fretgut
Chad
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From: Sean Smithmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:09 PM
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Interesting idea, Chad. I had always thought the energy
So maybe as the fret and string have better purchase, the neck will
send that energy to the body? I'm tempted to think that one end would
cancel out the other but on the other hand, the bridge would vibrate up
and down (relative to the bridge) while the neck would forward and back
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From: Tony Chalkleymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:51 PM
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So maybe as the fret and string have better purchase, the neck will
send that energy to the body? I'm tempted
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From: Chad McAnally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:30 AM
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Brown,
Bernd , and Carl.
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From: Carl Donsbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Michael and everyone,
Diagrams for tying
Peter Weiler wrote:
I do have a lot of trouble getting double fret knots tight for anything
greater than, say, 0.80 mm fretgut though.
-Peter
Er - what did I say Dowland's biggest fret diameter was?
Best to all,
Martin
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Martin,
I use quite a large diameter double loop fret on bigger lutes, for example the
first fret on my large theorbo is around 1.2mm, and have no problem at all in
tightening it up. The key is to use the proper knot and leave sufficient length
to grasp well - in short the double loop fret
, June 21, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
I just finished reading some Dalsa in Italian Tab. then tried to read some
French tab. Man, my mind stopped working for a moment. So I checked my
Email.
Chad,
Interesting you picked up on this as well. 20 or so
.
Now, if only I can figure out how to tie a double fret!
Michael Thames
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From: Chad McAnally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Hi Michael
, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Stability is good word. Somehow, too, it requires less effort. W/ a
single fret you feel the string bend behind the fret and you want to
touch bottom.
I remember playing an orpharion w/ scalloped frets and it seems to take
these ideas
Ha ha! My diabolical plan to inflate the third-quarter share price of
fretgut manufactories is proceeding apace! Dear Martyn, Sean, and Peter,
and all,
Last night I added another fret to each of the frets on my 6 course
lute, in the manner that Sean had suggested, with smaller diameter gut
behind
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Ha ha! My diabolical plan to inflate the third-quarter share price of
fretgut manufactories is proceeding apace! Dear Martyn, Sean, and Peter,
and all,
Last night I added another fret to each of the frets on my 6
om cc:
Subject: Re: Built-in action?
Double frets
To: Peter Weiler
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:29:25 -0400
Dear Peter and All:
Now this is interesting. I assume you put the slightly smaller fret
on the
nut side of the main fret.
It makes me think of the frets on my Forrester
.
Michael Thames
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From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
There are a few frets that would take a while to wear down because
Interesting idea, Chad. I had always thought the energy of the string
was transmitted to the body through the bridge but it makes sense that
some energy must go to the stopping fret as well.
There is the view that the lute should be held as loosely as possible
and a lesson with Ronn
cedar ( a little
heaver) for the core.
Michael Thames
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From: Chad McAnally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:06 PM
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Michael Thames wrote: If one
Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:11:37 +0100
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From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The historical evidence is that double fret loops were generally used; always
excepting
of tunness
Michael Thames
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From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Date: Sun, 19 Jun
We obviously have a difference of opinion here. I would be interested to see
Martyn's historical evidence. I have heard of using double fret loops for so
long that I took it as a given that this was always an option of varying
popularity, but the question being raised, I can't remember where
On Jun 19, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Craig Robert Pierpont wrote:
We obviously have a difference of opinion here. I would be
interested to see Martyn's historical evidence.
The lute in Holbein's The Ambassadors very clearly has doubled frets.
As realistically as this painting is done I believe
The only possible way that double frets could work is if the fret
closest to the nut was slightly lower than the other, allowing the
string to
make contact with the crest of the higher fret. Otherwise you have big
intonation problems.
Michael,
The ridge closer to the nut quickly
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From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
The only possible way that double frets could work is if the fret
closest to the nut
time.
Nice try...
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:47 PM
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Martyn,
Every lute
like.
Michael Thames
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From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
I think that's game set and match to Martyn, then - I've never
me what a double
fret
looks like.
Michael Thames
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From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
I think that's game set
Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
I think that's game set and match to Martyn, then - I've never gone
through
this well known page looking for frets before, but the only one that
seems
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Michael,
Unfortunately I no longer have the blow-ups from the Ambassadors on my
hard drive. Perhaps if Gernot Hilger still has them he could send you
one. If not, I could rephoto the picture I
Intersting to note though that the Berlin Holbein, depicting a quite
different lute, also shows clear doubles.
- Peter
I would Like to see that, so everyone can see the details involved in
clearly showing double frets. As I'm sure that this painting shows DF's
it
still is not convincing
Thanks Gernot! And Peter, I knew there was another Holbein that
depicted double frets. I just couldn't remember which.
thank you.
Concerning the Poulton/Dowland image. Perhaps it was overkill to double
the frets on a small lute. So far it hasn't been worth it to double
up on my descant.
Sean
I think that double frets are considered commonplace among our very near
cousins in the HIP viol crowd, so we shouldn't be surprised to find that
they were used on lutes of the same period.
- Peter
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From: Sean Smith
To: Lutelist
Subject: Re: Built-in action
By the way, apart from the historical evidence matter, double frets are
very, very nice to use on lutes. I've had some trouble getting a
double-strand tied tight enough in the past, but I really like Sean's
idea of using independent frets side-by-side. This makes them easy to
tie and allows one
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From: Peter Weiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
By the way, apart from the historical evidence matter, double frets are
very, very nice to use on lutes. I've had some
Would it be safe to
say that the second fret prevents the courses from sliding around so
much?
I wouldn't think so. I just tie them tighter'n a fratboy on St. Paddy's
day.
Sean
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I've thought about this for a good hour and I have to say it is a
remarkably difficult thing to verbalize. I don't know what commercial
pressures the big boys are subject to (and I don't think that's a good
measure) but for the rest of us... you're right about a little less
tendency to slide on
I have played a six course lute double-fretted, single strand of fret going
around the neck twice, with the fretting carefully selected and tied by the
lute's maker Ray Nurse, for many years. The gut frets, with all gut strings on
the lute, has lasted so well that I have only had to have the
Stability is good word. Somehow, too, it requires less effort. W/ a
single fret you feel the string bend behind the fret and you want to
touch bottom.
I remember playing an orpharion w/ scalloped frets and it seems to take
these ideas to the next level. Bending the string behind the fret
that more actual contact
surface would help this a bit?
Michael Thames
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From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
Would it be safe
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From: Peter Weiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Built-in action? Double frets
I've thought about this for a good hour and I have to say it is a
remarkably difficult thing
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