Joseph Mayes wrote:
> Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music and bad
> music."
Ellington, who died in 1974, is indeed universally credited with that
remark, proving that inane comments about music predate internet discussion
groups.
Anyone who really believes tha
ct: Re: mesmerization
Joseph Mayes wrote:
> Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music and bad
> music."
Ellington, who died in 1974, is indeed universally credited with that
remark, proving that inane comments about music predate internet discussion
groups
>> Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music and bad
>> music."
>
> Ellington, who died in 1974, is indeed universally credited with that
> remark, proving that inane comments about music predate internet discussion
> groups.
>
> Anyone who really believes that all m
MT wrote
"Renaissance music is not Romantic music (in the
context of the music history definition of the word)
-the players role is often to detach one's ego from
the performance and let the music speak for itself."
Oh- what treatise did you find the detached ego stuff
from - seems to me that you
>I'll pass along the deportment suggestion to my friends in >the
Philharmonic.
To: "lute net"
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> Joseph Mayes wrote:
>
> > Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good m
>> "I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level
>> of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper
>> professional stage presence to not
>> be staring at their music all the time. This might
>> give them more appeal to the general concert going
>> public, and more acceptance by
>> guit
et"
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> Joseph Mayes wrote:
>
> > Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music
and bad
> > music."
>
> Ellington, who died in 1974, is indeed universally credited
Roman Turovsky wrote:
> you are mixing up apfel and pomeranz. No orchestra ever plays
> from memory.
But every orchestra is concerned about the "professional stage presence" of
its musicians (or, as seems to be the fashion around here, "musician's");
which was the immediate subject at hand. Orch
p.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute net"
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
> > you are mixing up apfel and p
Howard,
I don't know whether to agree or disagree, it is a matter of interpretation.
> > Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music
and bad
> > music."
>
> Ellington, who died in 1974, is indeed universally credited with that
> remark, proving that inane comments about
>> you are mixing up apfel and pomeranz. No orchestra ever plays
>> from memory.
>
> But every orchestra is concerned about the "professional stage presence" of
> its musicians (or, as seems to be the fashion around here, "musician's");
> which was the immediate subject at hand. Orchestras (or "o
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:48:29 -0500 Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> >> "I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level
> >> of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper
> >> professional stage presence to not
> >> be staring at their music all the time. This might
> >> giv
Michael Thames wrote:
> try repeating the words, solo solo,,, solo,,, this
> may help.
It doesn't, though the absence of plurals with apostrophes is heartening.
Is a violinist playing a Beethoven sonata playing "solo"? If he is, does he
lack "professional stage presence" if he has the music
net"
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> Michael Thames wrote:
>
> > try repeating the words, solo solo,,, solo,,, this
> > may help.
>
> It doesn't, though the absence of plurals with apostrophes is heartening.
> Is a violi
also as a reference of where to begin for
rehersal purposes.
Cheers,
Marion
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Roman Turovsky wrote:
> you are
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Subject: Re: mesmerization
Michael Thames wrote:
> try repeating the words, solo solo,,, solo,,, this
> may help.
It doesn't, though the absence of plurals with apostrophes is heartening.
Is a violi
>> I'll pass along the deportment suggestion to my friends in the Philharmonic.
> Herr Advokat, you are mixing up apfel and pomeranz. No orchestra ever plays
> from memory.
> RT
I believe the orchestra of Andre Rieu plays from memory (4 KB). ;-)
BH
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I'm not sure this guy (who obviously believes his Strat - no! not -ocaster but
-ivari would be in original state) is known outside germany and a few other
countries with limited public taste ...
Thomas
Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 23:21 schrieb Bernd Haegemann:
> >> I'll pass along the deportment
Thomas,
I can confirm that Andre Rieux is well-known in the US - he is currently
advertising for public television, which is a nice thing to do. I try to
avoid hearing him play to keep my good impression...
Alain
Thomas Schall wrote:
>I'm not sure this guy (who obviously believes his Strat - no
, April 01, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: mesmerization
>
> In fact Beethoven called his pieces "sonatas for piano and violin" and
they are
> considered to be solo vehicles for both instruments. So according to the
logic
> of some people, both the pianist and violinist
And how was the music?
David Cameron
>I had dinner this evening with a couple of guitarist's from Houston. They
>recently saw a concert in Houston of the Brazilian guitar quartet. I asked
>them how it was.
> They were quite pived that they showed up on stage with music.
>She said it was rea
>And how was the music?
>David Cameron
Unpolished!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To:
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:12 PM
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> And how was the music?
>
To the extent that guitarists only compare themselves to other guitarists, they
will have no bona fides as musicians.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: lute net; Stuart LeBlanc
Subject: Re: mesmerization
I had
If I recall correctly, the Berlin Philharmonic played Beethoven's Fifth
from memory when they appeared here in Boston a few years ago. They used a
small chamber orchestra for that work.
Doesn't Renato Fasano and his Virtuosi di Wherever also play from memory?
As for Andre, I think his musicians
lute net
Subject: RE: mesmerization
To the extent that guitarists only compare themselves to other
guitarists, they
will have no bona fides as musicians.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: lute net; Stuart Le
;s hard to argue with - unless one were to point out that the same
> would hold true for any other (splinter)group of musicians - say lute
> players
>
> Joseph Mayes
>
>
>
> From: Stuart LeBlanc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sat 4/2
ind of
thing has become so popular thesedays.
The lute quartet makes so much more sense.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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To: "lute net"
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:39 AM
Subject
Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:16 AM
To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
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Gosh! Stuart
That's hard to argue with - unless one were to point out that the same
would hold true for any other (splinter)group of musicians - say lute
players
Joseph Mayes
Telemann wrote quartets for 4 violins, and Wagenseil wrote quartets for 4
cellos. Very fine music, especially the latter.
RT
__
Roman M. Turovsky
http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> On a side note.. I never got this thing about 4 guitars, you don't go hear
> 4 pianos, 4 orchestras, ( as the g
renaissance lute
pieces and about the same number in the baroque. (History of the Lute,
Pg 301)
This doesn.t sound like anywhere near the "much larger rep." that I keep
hearing about.
Joseph Mayes
From: Stuart LeBlanc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
S
Please excuse - what is the relevance of the sheer quantity of repertoire? I
feel that lutenists have an vast amount of music to select from - much more
than a single player could play in his lifetime.
The 19th century guitar was very popular and there is also a lot of
repertoire. So neither g
> The guitar does suffer from only being included in duos with the flute,
> violin, viola, 'cello, voice, piano, string quartet, and orchestra - to
More often than not in a rather cheesy fashion.
RT
> name but some - so I guess you're right on both counts.
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> Please excuse - what is the relevance of the sheer quantity of repertoire?
Exactly. No quantity of Carculliani will ever justify any perusal.
RT
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> A friend sent me an e mail after reading some of the posts on this
> subject, to inform me that in his library of 19th C. guitar music there
> were over 100,000 pieces. He figures he has about half. That's just one
> century out of several that contain guitar music.
I have a nagging suspicion MO
02, 2005 2:28 PM
To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
Subject: RE: mesmerization
Well, normally I would consider this as too far out to engender a
reply...But...
Let's see if understand the point: You'er saying that if the lute were
to be included in every piece of music in which it could b
nywhere near the "much larger rep." that I keep
> hearing about.
>
> Joseph Mayes
>
>
>
> From: Stuart LeBlanc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 12:15 PM
> To: lute net
> Subject: RE: mesmerization
>
>
&g
April 02, 2005 6:10 PM
To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> No disrespect intended Joseph, but you might read my message again more
> carefully.
>
> If you want to know what my experience with guitar is you can take a look at
> http://www.stuartleblanc.org/music.
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> From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:10 PM
> To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
> Subject: Re: mesmerization
>
>
>> No disrespect intended Joseph, but you might read my message again more
>> carefully.
>>
country a
> great service.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:10 PM
> To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
> Subject: Re: mesmerization
>
>
>> No disrespect intended Joseph, but you might read my messag
country a
> great service.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:10 PM
> To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
> Subject: Re: mesmerization
>
>
> > No disrespect intended Joseph, but you might re
Did Mesmer (1734-1835) play lute or guitar, and did he advocate sight reading
or memorization?
Spellbound,
James
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There is no deeper relevance. I just keep hearing about how the lute has a
larger rep. and the claim seems unbelievable.
I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the
lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars
only from the 19th C.
This
han any
other instrument in history, I think we must now concede, to the guitar, and
let Roman worry about the rest, more than a one liner I hope.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Joseph Mayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTEC
Joseph Mayes wrote:
> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It seems that the
> lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of the guitars
> only from the 19th C.
Assuming, of course, that both the estimates of lute pieces and the
hand-me-down numbers you cited for
>
>> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that the
>> lute's repertoire, renaissance and baroque, is about half of >the guitars
>> only from the 19th C.
>
>> This says nothing about the relative quality of instrument >or music - We
>> must leave such pronouncements to
l Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> >
> >> I found out why it seems unbelievable - it's not true. It >seems that
the
&
>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However,
>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be
>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar music.
>> R
> All this talk of Velveeta, USDA standards, Processed cheesy
ury guitar music.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent:
Bubonic plague also had lasting influence
JM
On 4/4/05 1:05 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However,
>>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be
>>> called "pasteurized process
>
> Bubonic plague also had lasting influence
> JM
So does south Jersey moonshine, with more organic damage.
RT
>
>
> On 4/4/05 1:05 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto. However,
the former cannot be cal
At 13:05 04-04-2005 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto.
However,
>>> the former cannot be called cheese by the USDA >standards: it has to be
>>> called "pasteurized process cheese food". Ditto 19th >century guitar
music.
>>> R
>> All t
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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:56 AM
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> At 13:05 04-04-2005 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> >>> I'm sure in terms of quantity Velveeta outnumbers >Iccannestratto.
> Ho
you've learned to count to ten.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> Joseph Mayes wrote:
>
> > I found out why it seems unbelievable -
ning habit ...
Thomas
Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 01.04.2005 03:15:19
An:Howard Posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute net
Kopie:
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>> Duke Ellington once said, "There are two kinds of music - good music
and bad
>> music.&quo
andard composer (no less
than Lislevand's).
As to Hasse, he is a very competent, but he lacks any personality
whatsoever.
RT
> Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 01.04.2005 03:15:19
>
> An:Howard Posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute net
>
> Kopie:
>
>
Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 17:26 schrieb Roman Turovsky:
> > what did Pontius Pilatus say about that topic? Doesn't he simply question
> > "What's truth?" ?
>
> Siding with PP is not the best strategic choice.
;-)
> Even liner notes of HK cd's mention him as a substandard composer (no less
>
>> Even liner notes of HK cd's mention him as a substandard composer (no less
>> than Lislevand's).
>
> I know but to quote again someone whom I perhaps better should not quote.
> Nitsche said if everyone is holding the same opinion they still are not
> necessary right.
> To quote from the bookle
PM
To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
Subject: Re: mesmerization
> I'm delighted we agree on that, but I would have expected you to be more
> excited
> about Andrei Tarkovsky!
How 'bout Ermanno Olmi?
RT
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>
> Nontheless I will sleep easily tonigh
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Stuart,
I for one am excited about Tarkovsky! - a great
artist who's films are not films, but pieces of music.
(I suppose he would've argued more for poetry.)
"Andrei Rublev"
polyhymnion.org/torban
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:56 PM
> To: Stuart LeBlanc; lute net
> Subject: Re: mesmerization
>
>
>> I'm delighted we agree on that, but I would have expected y
As you command.
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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:50 AM
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> Haven't seen any of his work yet, although Il Posto has been on my list for a
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