Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: I wonder if this is the culprit: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20567 And it is. I just reverted this and verified. Too bad, this optimization is quite necessary. I think that this should be resolved by forcing a full repaint when editing within a table.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:39:05AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 01:20:42PM +0100, John Levon wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 08:25:12AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: However, insets imply all sorts of things about cursor

Re: [Cvslog] r20721 - in /lyx-devel/trunk: development/scons/scons_man...

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 10:22:41PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: uwestoehr Date: Thu Oct 4 00:22:40 2007 New Revision: 20721 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20721 Log: Buffer.cpp: compile fix scons_manifest.py: dito André, please check if you can compile before you

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Too bad, this optimization is quite necessary. I think that this should be resolved by forcing a full repaint when editing within a table. But if we don't have a quick and straightforward fix, we will have to revert for the time being (and are you sure there are no

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a word? I.e., does your approach handle cases like:

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a word? I.e., does your approach

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Too bad, this optimization is quite necessary. I think that this should be resolved by forcing a full repaint when editing within a table. But if we don't have a quick and straightforward fix, we will have to revert for the time being

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
I do no know much about hyperref, but these hanges look strange to me. Can someone comment? + // since LyX uses unicode, also set the PDF strings to unicode strings with the + // hyperref option unicode + opt += unicode=true,\n ; What happens when the output is _not_ unicode?

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a word? I.e., does your approach

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the TAB-key mapped to by the way? Could TAB and S-TAB be used for M-P Right/Left? This is something I want to do. I think it is next-cell right now. JMarc

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
I do no know much about hyperref, but these hanges look strange to me. Can someone comment? look on the yeasterday's thread Changeset 20707. i had exactly the same concerns. + // since LyX uses unicode, also set the PDF strings to unicode strings with the + // hyperref option

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a word? I

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To satisfy everybody maybe we should implement charstyle as font attribute (and thus please Dov and John) and rename our current charstyle to textstyle. I know for sure that I won't use charstyle where the atom is a character. Yesss ! Three

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, anything that is character level should be done by hand by the user. So, as a user, you will have to exit the inset after the 'r' of Peter. Otherwise the 's would be in the noun inset together with Peter. We just cannot read the mind of users :-) Sure. However,

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Insets are straightforward to implement. Font ranges are not. I recently had a look at our coding rules. KISS was and still is the first item... Yes, but it should not dictqte the UI (am I repeating myself?) JMarc

Re: fixed PDF-options Was: Changeset 20707

2007-10-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
I was not succesfull even wihtout changes with pdflatex : on console many thinhs like: Warning--I didn't find a database entry for fancyhdr That means that you cannot compile the LyX UserGuide? Yes. Then there is something wrong with your LaTeX installation. I dont think so. But there

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Are you sure you don't want my wide() removal patch? As 1.5.2 has been delayed, I reckon there is enough time to test it. I want to prepare the tarball tomorrow and release on monday. 1.5.2 is overdue. I think the wide change would require some more time. Jürgen

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To satisfy everybody maybe we should implement charstyle as font attribute (and thus please Dov and John) and rename our current charstyle to textstyle. I know for sure that I won't use charstyle where the atom is a

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW Word's side panel is not too bad as a model. The office 2007 UI blog posts I referred to earlier explain how the proliferation of side panels in word meant that they just scrapped everything and built a new UI. JMarc

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Insets are straightforward to implement. Font ranges are not. I recently had a look at our coding rules. KISS was and still is the first item... Yes, but it should not dictqte the UI (am I repeating myself?) But _I_

Re: [patch] support for Vietnamese

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only difference to other languages is that you have to load babel direcly with the language options: \usepackage[bla,vietnam,blub]{babel} and not \documentclass[bla,vietnam,blub]{article} \usepackage{babel} This is very weird. The two uses should

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, anything that is character level should be done by hand by the user. So, as a user, you will have to exit the inset after the 'r' of Peter. Otherwise the 's would be in the noun inset together with Peter. We just cannot read the mind of

Re: dialog creation

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 12:15:43PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: Richard Heck wrote: Andre Poenitz wrote: Is there a particular reason we keep the dialogs around instead of re-build them each time they are shown? Do they keep important state? I

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Pavel Sanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do no know much about hyperref, but these hanges look strange to me. Can someone comment? look on the yeasterday's thread Changeset 20707. i had exactly the same concerns. Yes, I saw it too late. JMarc

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 04 October 2007 08:14:22 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Why do this even if the author did not ask for it? Shouldn't it be an additional option? I agree with Jean-Marc here, and I also think that we should set this option to be enabled by default. In general, adding options behind

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. This was to say: we will obviously never reach an agreement as our views are fundamentally different. What we could to try try to resolve this argument is look at what proper html editors (nvu?) do. They have to deal with the same problems,

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Edwin Leuven
José Matos wrote: In general, adding options behind the user's back looks bad to me. +2

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But _I_ happen to like clear threshold between different things, the kind of threshold is naturally achieved by insets. So why, as a user, do I have to suffer your way of typing? This goes the other way around obviously. With insets at least we can

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Edwin Leuven
Michael Gerz wrote: Question: Is it really desirable to change dialogs which each major release? your question suggests that changing them is a goal in itself. but yes, it is desirable to improve lyx's dialogs and make them more uniform... Why can't we get them right at the very first

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Sure and this will be very easy to achieve with the inset implementation. We are not in contracdiction here Fine then. I just wanted to make sure. Jürgen

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. This was to say: we will obviously never reach an agreement as our views are fundamentally different. What we could to try try to resolve this argument is look at what proper html editors (nvu?) do. They have to

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Too bad, this optimization is quite necessary. I think that this should be resolved by forcing a full repaint when editing within a table. But if we don't have a quick and straightforward fix, Could you please try this? Abdel. Index:

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Thursday 04 October 2007 08:14:22 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Why do this even if the author did not ask for it? Shouldn't it be an additional option? I agree with Jean-Marc here, and I also think that we should set this option to be enabled by default. it was my original

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More seriously, this whole discussion comes a bit late IMHO. I know that you emitted some objections when Martin started the implementation but they were not too strong. We have something _now_ and I'd be a pity to revert

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within text the space syndrome won't be as evident because you generally only have one depth and not multiple level like in mathed. Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P JMarc

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Dov Feldstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: We will face challenge for sure but Cursor movement is already working well for entering and leaving insets. We will have to decide what to do with selection though. I am in the opinion that

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But _I_ happen to like clear threshold between different things, the kind of threshold is naturally achieved by insets. So why, as a user, do I have to suffer your way of typing? This goes the other way around obviously.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: More seriously, this whole discussion comes a bit late IMHO. But nevertheless, it's a good thing that we have the discussion finally. Even if I did not find enough time to jump in, I appreciate it very much. Jürgen

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More seriously, this whole discussion comes a bit late IMHO. I know that you emitted some objections when Martin started the implementation but they were not too strong. We have something _now_ and I'd be a pity to revert it because you and others

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But why would you want to have two different charstyles in the _same_ word? If you need that then I would say that this is a use case where you really want to use font attributes and not charstyle. This happens natureally when you really start to add markup. A word

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 01:05:38PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: I, for instance, actually prefer having two separate positions at a font boundary. For the sole purpose of supporting dissolving? No, for the prupose of being able to work with it. Right now I

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Helge Hafting wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: But why would you want to have two different charstyles in the _same_ word? If you need that then I would say that this is a use case where you really want to use font attributes and not charstyle. This happens natureally when you really start

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within text the space syndrome won't be as evident because you generally only have one depth and not multiple level like in mathed. Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P You know what I meant... :-) Abdel.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:46:45AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Martin Vermeer wrote: Here's another example (metaphor): |line of text press spacespacespace |line of text, indented Why doesn't this work? Ought to work, right, in an

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: More seriously, this whole discussion comes a bit late IMHO. But nevertheless, it's a good thing that we have the discussion finally. Even if I did not find enough time to jump in, I appreciate it very much. Yes sorry, I think I wrote

Re: CharStyles As Insets: TODO

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Richard Heck wrote: Without meaning to prejudge the question whether CharStyles should be insets, here's my list of things that ought to be done if they are going to stay that way. They are addressed specifically to what Abdel was calling the look and feel aspect of charstyles, which are in

Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ Abdel.

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 06:39:14PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Richard Heck wrote: The difficulty is that, if you're already in the inset, you might be wanting to apply another one. How do you distinguish that from changing the inset type (which is the

Comparing .lyx files to see updates + feature request

2007-10-04 Thread Alex
Dear All, I would like to ask you about document comparison. How can I compare two .lyx document to see the changes between them? It would be quite nice for updating translations.(since thange tracking is disabled for this.) A few month ago I've set-up a local svn on my linux box to store both

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Could you please try this? Doesn't work, unfortunately. Jürgen

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Could you please try this? Doesn't work, unfortunately. OK then revert the optimization as I don't want to spend too much time on it. Abdel.

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: OK then revert the optimization as I don't want to spend too much time on it. done. Jürgen

Re: [patch] support for Vietnamese

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: \usepackage[bla,vietnam,blub]{babel} and not \documentclass[bla,vietnam,blub]{article} \usepackage{babel} This is very weird. The two uses should be equivqlent. Where is this documented? Why is this weird? Every language package manual I know states to load

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ Because Qt? don't understand it and I copied it from there. The character is the ĵ and appears correctly in the output. We discussed this short before the LyX 1.5.0 release

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Uwe Stöhr wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ Because Qt? Maybe but I don't think so, otherwise it would have appeared correctly in thunderbird and on the wiki page in mozilla. don't

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20727 Eh, what are you doing? You destroyed the complete dialog. We discussed this before I committed this. Please revert! (Or I'll do.) Uwe

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Uwe Stöhr wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ Because Qt? Maybe but I don't think so, otherwise it would have appeared correctly in thunderbird and on the wiki page in

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: OK but note that I think this mean that a single math inset in a paragraph, no matter where will trigger a full redraw in any case. I know. That's certainly not ideal, but we're going to get back to the issue for 1.5.3 (and 1.5.2 still has enough improvements). Jürgen

Re: 1.5.2: Display of tables is broken

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: OK then revert the optimization as I don't want to spend too much time on it. done. OK but note that I think this mean that a single math inset in a paragraph, no matter where will trigger a full redraw in any case. Abdel.

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
+ // since LyX uses unicode, also set the PDF strings to unicode strings with the + // hyperref option unicode + opt += unicode=true,\n ; What happens when the output is _not_ unicode? How that? What does this option do exactly? Option pdfencoding The PDF format allows two

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Uwe Stöhr wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ Because Qt? Maybe but I don't think so, otherwise it would have appeared correctly in

RE: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Leuven, E.
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Eh, what are you doing? You destroyed the complete dialog. We discussed this before I committed this. what is destroyed? Please revert! (Or I'll do.) the dialog layout was very messy, so please tell me what is wrong atm so that i can address it...

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be frank, I am tired of people introducing features by promosing things and the do something else (martin, if you are reading this, it is not for you :). So, is it for me? Not only :) JMarc PS: you probably know of a couple of cases where I

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In mathed, repeated spaces cycle though whitespaces of different width. It's fun when you get used to it, but intuitive? Hardly. These are gimmicks. I think that is simple enough - press space again to get bigger space. Whether bigger space is done

Re: Comparing .lyx files to see updates + feature request

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to ask you about document comparison. How can I compare two .lyx document to see the changes between them? It would be quite nice for updating translations.(since thange tracking is disabled for this.) One solution is using wdiff:

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ There is no problem with the userguide at all. It contains the ĵ in denormalized form: 0x0237 dotless j 0x0302 combining circumflex If you'd use a

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
iT IS SAVE TO USE UNICODE IN ALL CASES. I tested this carefully I think. I hope, because if some trouble bubbles up user has no reasonable way how to get rid of it then. Pavel

Re: Comparing .lyx files to see updates + feature request

2007-10-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to ask you about document comparison. How can I compare two .lyx document to see the changes between them? It would be quite nice for updating translations.(since thange

RCC breaks compilation

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
make[6]: Entering directory `/local/lasgoutt/devbuild/src/frontends/qt4' echo !DOCTYPE RCCRCC version='1.0'qresource Resources.qrc find ../../../../lyx-devel/lib/images -name '*.png' \ | sed -e 's:../../../../lyx-devel/lib/\(.*\):file alias=\1/file:' \ Resources.qrc echo /qresource/RCC

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: + // since LyX uses unicode, also set the PDF strings to unicode strings with the + // hyperref option unicode + opt += unicode=true,\n ; What happens when the output is _not_ unicode? How that? So when a document is in, say, latin2,

equation editing

2007-10-04 Thread Neal Becker
I find equation entry on lyx rather nice (being a long-time latex user), but editing leaves something to be desired. I find it almost impossible to mark, cut and paste parts of equations. Almost every time I try, I wind up selecting the whole equation and starting over. I hope this can be

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be frank, I am tired of people introducing features by promosing things and the do something else (martin, if you are reading this, it is not for you :). So, is it for me? Not only :) Well, I'd be interested to

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:31:32PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/20727 Eh, what are you doing? You destroyed the complete dialog. We discussed this before I committed this. Please revert! (Or I'll do.) Uwe, you have to understand that when something works on

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ There is no problem with the userguide at all. It contains the ĵ in denormalized form: 0x0237 dotless j 0x0302 combining

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 03:57:56AM +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Hi! This is an email I started writing a couple of months ago, regarding the ignore-spellcheck discussion; but it is even more relevant now with reference to the questions being raised about character styles as insets. I

Re: equation editing

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Neal Becker wrote: I find equation entry on lyx rather nice (being a long-time latex user), but editing leaves something to be desired. I find it almost impossible to mark, cut and paste parts of equations. Almost every time I try, I wind up selecting the whole equation and starting over. If

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: It seems that there's a bogus character between 'h' and 'C'. At least Thunderbird does not understand it: ĤĴĥȷ̂ĈĜŜĉĝŝ There is no problem with the userguide at all. It contains the ĵ in denormalized form: 0x0237 dotless

Re: equation editing

2007-10-04 Thread Neal Becker
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Neal Becker wrote: I find equation entry on lyx rather nice (being a long-time latex user), but editing leaves something to be desired. I find it almost impossible to mark, cut and paste parts of equations. Almost every time I try, I wind up selecting the whole

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: So when a document is in, say, latin2, the pdf strings will be in correct unicode? As far as I tested, yes. iT IS SAVE TO USE UNICODE IN ALL CASES. I tested this carefully I think. And nevertheless, whenever the user uses not latin1 as encoding, unicode must

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 02:57:56 Dov Feldstern wrote: Hi! This is an email I started writing a couple of months ago, regarding the ignore-spellcheck discussion; but it is even more relevant now with reference to the questions being raised about character styles as insets. In the last

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Leuven, E. schrieb: what is destroyed? Please revert! (Or I'll do.) the dialog layout was very messy, so please tell me what is wrong atm so that i can address it... No, this is not the way it works! I implemented that we now use the wrapfig-package for wrap floats. We can therefore

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
José Matos wrote: On Wednesday 03 October 2007 02:57:56 Dov Feldstern wrote: Hi! This is an email I started writing a couple of months ago, regarding the ignore-spellcheck discussion; but it is even more relevant now with reference to the questions being raised about character styles as

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In mathed, repeated spaces cycle though whitespaces of different width. It's fun when you get used to it, but intuitive? Hardly. These are gimmicks. I think that is simple enough - press space again to

Re: [Cvslog] r20707 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/PDFOptions.cpp

2007-10-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
Before people start to add their +1, please read my statement in http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg129100.html I read it, but I still prefer a checkbox, even if it defaults to on. As for the previous option, if it was so great, it would default to true in hyperref. Fine

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:20:43AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within text the space syndrome won't be as evident because you generally only have one depth and not multiple level like in mathed. Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:13:59AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: More seriously, this whole discussion comes a bit late IMHO. I know that you emitted some objections when Martin started the implementation but they were not too strong. We have something _now_ and I'd be a pity to

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:09:22AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Dov Feldstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: We will face challenge for sure but Cursor movement is already working well for entering and leaving insets. We will have to

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:47:28AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right. This was to say: we will obviously never reach an agreement as our views are fundamentally different. What we could to try try to resolve this argument is look at

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:52:44AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But _I_ happen to like clear threshold between different things, the kind of threshold is naturally achieved by insets. So why, as a user, do I have to suffer your way of

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:22:15AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Juergen Spitzmueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:24:13AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To satisfy everybody maybe we should implement charstyle as font attribute (and thus please Dov and John) and rename our current charstyle to textstyle. I know for sure that I

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What are your criteria for something being a word? I.e., does your approach handle cases like: \noun[Peter}'s patch \command{\define}s some new \program{LyX}-friendly \command{environtment}s in a \noun{Knuth}ian way? No, anything that is

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I suspected something like that but we had 770 not 237 in addition to 302 so I think there was a problem nevertheless. There is no problem in 1.5. 1.5 has 0x0237 and then 0x0302, and this is correct. If 1.6 is different then there might be a

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Martin Vermeer wrote: Perhaps Andre doesn't suffer fools gladly, in which case I sympathise. Not implying that you're one of those fools, but the refusal by so many on this list to accept a UI paradigm for LyX that matches hand-in-glove the natural structure of the feature

Re: [Cvslog] r20690 - /lyx-devel/trunk/src/frontends/qt4/ui/WrapUi.ui

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Uwe, you have to understand that when something works on windows (or for you) it doesn't mean that it works everywhere (or for others). The layout was broken on solaris (wrap-bad.png) and Edwin corrected that (wrap-ok.png). This is not what I meant. Edwin reverted the checkboxes and their

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:46:45PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: Not very convincing, is it? Most people learn from experience. What would happen here is that they would quickly pick up that -- no, this stuff does not behave like italicize; it behaves like insets instead. Familiar paradigm

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: No, hence my idea of one word per inset. The fact that there is more than one inset will only be visible if the cursor is in or if you hover the mouse over it. What are your criteria for something being a word? I.e., does your approach

Re: *not* everything is an inset!

2007-10-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:52:48PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: Why do we need to nest insets then ? :-P Actually I don't think we should (usually). In text, cases where we want to nest (charstyle) insets ought to be rare, if we have defined them as sensible semantic units. Over-use of

Re: Section 6.14.3 of the UserGuide: problem with unicode

2007-10-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
The unicode character is #309 but the one in the wiki and also in the UserGuide is #770. So a simple correction should solve the problem. I don't get a crash here anyway when selecting the small black square used to represent #770. When you found a solution, could you please fix this in the

Re: Use cases for charstyles (Was: *not* everything is an inset!) (fwd)

2007-10-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:31:57 -0400 From: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Use cases for charstyles (Was: *not* everything is an inset!) On Wednesday 03 October 2007 18:20, you wrote: Hi Steve, There's a discussion going

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