Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-04-01 Thread José Matos
On Monday 30 March 2009 19:03:25 Uwe Stöhr wrote: The only important point I have is that more than one developer should know about our finances (maybe only Lars and José, but more than one person). So just more transparency. Still now I only know that we got 2 Euros on Saturday ;-) FWIW I do

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-04-01 Thread José Matos
On Monday 30 March 2009 19:03:25 Uwe Stöhr wrote: > The only important point I have is that more than one developer should know > about our finances (maybe only Lars and José, but more than one person). So > just more transparency. Still now I only know that we got 2 Euros on > Saturday ;-) FWIW

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last developer meeting on our own but

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Yes it is popular, have a look here:

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Can you login to

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
Oops... uploads don't seem to be working. Guess that'll be the next thing I have to look at. /C http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Yes it is popular, have a look here: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/lyx.org Lyx.org has a traffic rank of: 168,508 but this is

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Not sure if i did

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions...

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Christian Ridderström wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Helge Hafting
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last developer meeting on our own but

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: > > > Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) > > Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, > > hundreds of thousand or millions... > > http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography > Yes it is popular, have a look here: >

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Can you login to

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
Oops... uploads don't seem to be working. Guess that'll be the next thing I have to look at. /C http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Yes it is popular, have a look here: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/lyx.org Lyx.org has a traffic rank of: 168,508 but this is

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel/LyXGeography Not sure if i did

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Pavel Sanda
Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: > >> Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: >>> Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... >> >>

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-31 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Christian Ridderström wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Pavel Sanda wrote: Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com writes: Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) Now you will be outnumbered. I did not say we are only two! (ok, you win: we are) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Andre Poenitz wrote: This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last developer meeting on our own but the general LyX donations are exactly for that purpose in my opinion. Moreover are the people who sponsor us still not listed at our webpage

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Christian Ridderström christian.ridderst...@gmail.com writes: It's our (collective) fault in Berlin for not taking more care with the financial aspects, but that is probably what happens when you are used to relying on Lars' to take care of this. What I remember from Berlin was that it was a

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Christian Ridderström christian.ridderst...@gmail.com writes: It's our (collective) fault in Berlin for not taking more care with the financial aspects, but that is probably what happens when you are used to relying on Lars' to take care of this. What I

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org writes: Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was just a problem of lack of information. OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I apologize to people who think I misrepresented their thoughts. Nevertheless, I really think that

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org writes: Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was just a problem of lack of information. OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I apologize to people who think I misrepresented their

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 29 March 2009 21:41:19 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Indeed. JMarc +1 And congratulations to both Abdel and Jean-Marc BTW. :-) -- José Abílio

Next LyX meeting (Was: New commercial sponsorship)

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org writes: Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was just a problem of lack of information. OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I apologize

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 06:04:26PM -0400, rgheck wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Andre Poenitz wrote: I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) Now you will be outnumbered. Being

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Being outnumbered starts with having a wife... And even sometimes with having a life. JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Christian Ridderström schrieb: Maybe it would be more constructive to discuss how we _would_ like things like this dealt with? The only important point I have is that more than one developer should know about our finances (maybe only Lars and José, but more than one person). So just more

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
rgheck writes: >> Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always >> hearing the same news ;) >> > Now you will be outnumbered. I did not say we are only two! (ok, you win: we are) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Andre Poenitz wrote: This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last developer meeting on our own but the general LyX donations are exactly for that purpose in my opinion. Moreover are the people who sponsor us still not listed at our webpage

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Christian Ridderström writes: > It's our (collective) fault in Berlin for not taking more care with > the financial aspects, but that is probably what happens when you are > used to relying on Lars' to take care of this. What I remember from Berlin was that it

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Christian Ridderström writes: It's our (collective) fault in Berlin for not taking more care with the financial aspects, but that is probably what happens when you are used to relying on Lars' to take care of this. What I

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes writes: > Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was > just a problem of lack of information. OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I apologize to people who think I misrepresented their thoughts. Nevertheless, I really think

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes writes: Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was just a problem of lack of information. OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I apologize to people who think I misrepresented their

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 29 March 2009 21:41:19 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Indeed. > > JMarc +1 And congratulations to both Abdel and Jean-Marc BTW. :-) -- José Abílio

Next LyX meeting (Was: New commercial sponsorship)

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes writes: > Well, honestly, I don't think anybody doubted Lars' honesty. It was > just a problem of lack of information. > OK, I see that what I wrote looked like that. So I

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 06:04:26PM -0400, rgheck wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! >>> Maybe you should. >> >> Well, it will be

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Andre Poenitz wrote: I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) Now you will be outnumbered. Being

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Being outnumbered starts with having a wife... And even sometimes with having a life. JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-30 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Christian Ridderström schrieb: Maybe it would be more constructive to discuss how we _would_ like things like this dealt with? The only important point I have is that more than one developer should know about our finances (maybe only Lars and José, but more than one person). So just more

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:37:14AM -0400, rgheck wrote: This seems complicated, and it seems worth making some distinctions. One case would be where RedHat wanted to sponsor something. To them, LyX is part of their product. Another would be if Trolltech wanted to do so. (Of course, they

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 21:25, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: More seriously, the money is all yours if you implement the feature. I'll add your name in the table now if you want. Sign me up... You're in. I've let my name for the time being because that's my paypal account and I'd like to follow what

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:10:35PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Lyx.org has a traffic rank of: 168,508 The LyX Users: United States16.2% Germany13.5% Sweden6.9% Man, I must have spent a lot of time on the lyx site... ;-)

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 07:56:45PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 28/03/2009 19:40, Uwe Stöhr wrote: As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, I am part of the LyX project and I created this

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:07:52PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 29/03/2009 17:43, Andre Poenitz wrote: I think the sponsorship as such is ok, and your handling of the issue is ok, and covered by the results of the last discussion of the topic. Good, thanks for your support. Abdel.

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
What we (as a community) want to see in exchange is a new, major and well written feature be added to LyX. This is then a fair exchange IMHO. But it is not a given that we will get that :-) Indeed. Now the (moral) contract is between Abdel and the rest of the team :) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:37:14AM -0400, rgheck wrote: This seems complicated, and it seems worth making some distinctions. One case would be where RedHat wanted to sponsor something. To them, LyX is part of their product. Another would be if Trolltech wanted to do

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 29 mars 09 à 03:27, Edwin Leuven a écrit : you can already be proud of yourself, the speed and competence with which you have made yourself familiar with lyx internals is impressive. Indeed. JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Concerning transportation: We usually meet in Europe. Europeans can by cheap flights for even 100 € two ways. But when Richard and Bo want to join use, they cannot buy such cheap flights, so when we have 300 € for transportation I think it is fair to give them the money. (Just a thought.)

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 28 mars 09 à 20:37, Christian Ridderström a écrit : On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What's your excuse? ;-) I am a family man and my wife is pregnant :-) Congratulations! I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 28 mars 09 à 20:37, Christian Ridderström a écrit : On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What's your excuse? ;-) I am a family man and my wife is pregnant :-) Congratulations! I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) Now you

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:37:14AM -0400, rgheck wrote: > This seems complicated, and it seems worth making some distinctions. One > case would be where RedHat wanted to sponsor something. To them, LyX is > part of their product. Another would be if Trolltech wanted to do so. > (Of course,

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 21:25, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: More seriously, the money is all yours if you implement the feature. I'll add your name in the table now if you want. Sign me up... You're in. I've let my name for the time being because that's my paypal account and I'd like to follow what

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:10:35PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > >>> Lyx.org has a traffic rank of: 168,508 >>> >>> The LyX Users: >>> United States16.2% >>> Germany13.5% >>> Sweden6.9% > > Man, I must have spent a lot of time on the

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 07:56:45PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 28/03/2009 19:40, Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> >> As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do >> work on lyx, that >> >> place some requirements on the LyX Project. >> > >> > Well, I am part of the LyX project and

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:07:52PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the > years thanks to your paypal > > > > account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) > > > > This is an important issue. We for example had to

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 29/03/2009 17:43, Andre Poenitz wrote: I think the sponsorship as such is ok, and your handling of the issue is ok, and covered by the results of the last discussion of the topic. Good, thanks for your support. Abdel.

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
>What we (as a community) want to see in exchange is a new, major and well >written feature be added to LyX. This is then a fair exchange IMHO. But it is not a given that we will get that :-) Indeed. Now the (moral) contract is between Abdel and the rest of the team :) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:37:14AM -0400, rgheck wrote: This seems complicated, and it seems worth making some distinctions. One case would be where RedHat wanted to sponsor something. To them, LyX is part of their product. Another would be if Trolltech wanted to do

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 29 mars 09 à 03:27, Edwin Leuven a écrit : you can already be proud of yourself, the speed and competence with which you have made yourself familiar with lyx internals is impressive. Indeed. JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Concerning transportation: We usually meet in Europe. Europeans can by cheap flights for even 100 € two ways. But when Richard and Bo want to join use, they cannot buy such cheap flights, so when we have 300 € for transportation I think it is fair to give them the money. (Just a thought.)

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 28 mars 09 à 20:37, Christian Ridderström a écrit : On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What's your excuse? ;-) I am a family man and my wife is pregnant :-) Congratulations! I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 28 mars 09 à 20:37, Christian Ridderström a écrit : On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: What's your excuse? ;-) I am a family man and my wife is pregnant :-) Congratulations! I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-29 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 29 mars 09 à 23:02, rgheck a écrit : I do not see why he deserves it. My wife is also pregnant and I do not boast about it on lyx-devel! Maybe you should. Well, it will be the third, so people are getting tired of always hearing the same news ;) Now you

New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the news text is OK (http://www.beslist.nl/nieuws/82.html). Maybe I should

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 13:35, Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote: Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 14:15, Lars Gullik Bjønnes lar...@lyx.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 13:35, Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote: Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, this means that a company pay someone to get some work done for LyX, which is very close to what happens with other projects, for example. If the company had

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 28 mars 09 à 14:27, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Well, this means that a company pay someone to get some work done for LyX, which is very close to what happens with other projects, for example. If the company had contributed the code, we would have had no problem acknowledging it (would

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). Do you have some context explaining why LyX was chosen, BTW? JMarc

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the news text is OK (http://www.beslist.nl/nieuws/82.html). Maybe I

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 14:27, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote: As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, this means that a company pay someone to get some work done for LyX, which is

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Abdelrazak Younes schreef: Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the news text is OK

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Besides, the bugs are running out anyway. Ha! It would also be nice if I could construct a somewhat larger feature to have something to be proud of. I think your bugfixing is more than enough reason to be proud (having said that, I certainly will not try to

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread rgheck
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Abdelrazak Younes schreef: Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the news text is

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
The donations page already seems to list corporate and individual sponsors, separately. And I don't really see any problem with letting people link to little news blurbs, or just to their own websites. I wouldn't have any problem, for example, if the record of the corporate donation from

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 14:27, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, this means that a company pay someone to get some work done for LyX, which is very close to what happens with

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 14:32, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). Do you have some context explaining why LyX was chosen, BTW? Not really, the marketing person said that some people in the company used LyX and love it. They recommended to give LyX a

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 14:39, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair and the news text is OK

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 14:20, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 14:15, Lars Gullik Bjønnes lar...@lyx.org mailto:lar...@lyx.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 13:35, Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org mailto:you...@lyx.org wrote: Dear LyX developers, I just

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 15:16, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Abdelrazak Younes schreef: Dear LyX developers, I just received a new sponsorship from Beslist.nl (700 €). The only thing they asked in exchange was to put a link to their news item for a minimum of three years. I thought the deal was fair

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Waluyo Adi Siswanto
Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... Yes it is popular, have a look here: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/lyx.org Lyx.org has a traffic rank of:

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr
As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, I am part of the LyX project and I created this page so maybe. I did all of this as openly as possible but I should have have asked for permission for the 3

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 19:26, Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote: Well maybe the LyX web site is quite popular who knows? :-) Actually, we don't even know if LyX users count in the thousands, hundreds of thousand or millions... Yes it is popular, have a look here:

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 19:40, Uwe Stöhr wrote: As it stands now it seems that _you_ have got sponsorship to do work on lyx, that place some requirements on the LyX Project. Well, I am part of the LyX project and I created this page so maybe. I did all of this as openly as possible but I should

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: That said, I do not think this is a bad thing, but I'd like to know that the sponsorhip is for, special procjetcs etc. You meant what the sponsorship is for I guess? Well, isn't it clear? To sponsor the development of the listed feature? It

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last developer meeting on our own but the general LyX donations

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 20:05, Christian Ridderström christian.ridderst...@gmail.com wrote: That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) Some of that money at least has been used to

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Some of that money at least has been used to sponsor LyX meetings. (Or at least beer;-) And once upon a time it bought us aussie. Cool, I didn't know that. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström Mobile: +46-70 687 39

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 20:09, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 20:05, Christian Ridderström christian.ridderst...@gmail.com wrote: That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 20:05, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: That said, I do not think this is a bad thing, but I'd like to know that the sponsorhip is for, special procjetcs etc. You meant what the sponsorship is for I guess? Well, isn't it clear? To

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Lyx.org has a traffic rank of: 168,508 The LyX Users: United States16.2% Germany13.5% Sweden6.9% Man, I must have spent a lot of time on the lyx site... ;-) Seriously though, I didn't know there are that many Swedish users? /C --

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: It wasn't clear to me at least. By now I infer they're sponsoring a certain feature. I would like more details on how they are to be cited for it? Well exactly as I did? I guess I don't understand what's not clear... Maybe I could figure it

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: And once upon a time it bought us aussie. Well, all these details are in your memories, not a very transparent process :-) Not that I care much really but I am trying personally to do things as transparently as possible. It's not easy doing

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 20:07, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: That being said Lars, I guess you received some money throughout the years thanks to your paypal account and we know basically _nothing_ about it ;-) This is an important issue. We for example had to pay all costs for our last

Re: New commercial sponsorship

2009-03-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 28/03/2009 20:18, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: It wasn't clear to me at least. By now I infer they're sponsoring a certain feature. I would like more details on how they are to be cited for it? Well exactly as I did? I guess I don't

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