Hi,,
Hope my mail finds you well,
Out of curiosity, I wonder how it matters to use Apple Silicon compared to
Intel devices.
• Is it faster to deal with Apple Silicon Mac and more responsive compared to
older Macs?
• Does Voiceover says “busy” much less ?
• Does image description feature run
I think a lot of your questions depend on the age of the Mac. For instance, I’m
running two Macs, one from 2012 and another from 2019. The 2012 runs slowly
while my souped up 2019 Mac runs like a charm with none of the issues you are
concerned about. I would love to test these newer Mac’s myse
My question is general. I think it would be best to reply based on whatever
experiences users have.
For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a MacBook
Pro.
If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider Apple
silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15”
Hi,
I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with M1
and on iMac. It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 processor
models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs. I can tell you though that
using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP
I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the 14-inch MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled. I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro. What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the performance of VoiceOver
itecture, with
> fewer “busy” messages, for instance.
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi,
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I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel
based ones. Much faster & more responsive.
On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
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>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23
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>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> &l
erating systems in their native environments.
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> I certainly find
environments. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PMTo: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel based one
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naries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PMTo: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the int
I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference, personally, certainly no more
than would normally be expected for machines of similar benchmarks on either
platform. So, for instance, my 2019 iMac is more powerful than my 2020 M1 Mac
Mini, and it feels just the same. JMO.
I can’t wait to see Li
For anyone who is planning a purchasing decision, it’s worth noting that there are software features that won’t be available on Intel-based Mac systems, such as new text to speech support for certain languages, and on-device speech recognition for dictation. I would expect this list of features exc
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For anyone who is planning a purchasing decision, it’s worth noting that there
are software features that won’t be available on Intel-based Mac systems, such
as new text to speech support for certain lang
ubject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
For anyone who is planning a purchasing decision, it’s worth noting that there
are software features that won’t be available on Intel-based Mac systems, such
as new text to speech support for certain languages, and on-dev
A direct thing that you can notice the speed of performing image recognition
using VO+shift+l since it is an ML feature. That should be significantly faster
on M1 according to my experience with the same feature on iPhone 10s compared
to 2016 MBP. It is much faster on iPhone.
As Rebecca and Bra
BY THE WAY, how do you use your Macs? I think the performance difference for
you is not much because it is not a high workload that shows the difference.
One of the things I noticed between two Macs one of 2016 and another from 2020
is in dealing with larger numbers sheets. I find it more respo
Hi, unfortunately here are my concerns about this entire Apple silicon
versus the Intel mock debate, and my concerns about it when it is in
respect to this issue.
The issue that I see is simply this. If you have to the way Apple sees
it financially is trade-in your Intel Mac spend $600 which I
It’s absolutely right that Apple Silicon is the future and if you’re buying
now, and want to have maximum future and feature support, that’s the way to go.
I would not dismiss Intel Macs out of hand—they can do one thing Apple Silicon
can’t, namely, run Microsoft Windows. They are available now
nt to run windows on a Mac look into Windows 365.
It is currently available only for business users.
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Hi, unfortunately here are my concerns about this entire Apple silicon versus
the Intel mock debate, and my concerns about it when it is in respect to this
issue.
The issue that I see is simply this. If you
The reason why I made the move to the new m-1 max chip with 64 gb of Ram is for
my machine learning projects. Until now I had to rely heavily on my uni's
supercomputer distributed spaces, which by themselves don't have much ram to
provide, which limits the capacity of my model training. To look
ahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
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> It’s absolutely right that Apple Silicon is the future and if you’re buying
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I don’t think it’s possible to run Mac on Windows. . What is making you change
your
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> I don’t think it’s possible to run Mac on Windows. . What is making you
> change yo
.>> It is currently available only for business users.>> >> >> -Original Message->> From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:19 AM>> To: macvisionaries@goo
Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by “running Mac on Windows”.
You can already virtualise (that is, create a virtual environment for) and
dual-boot (that is, reboot and then start as though on a PC) Windows. Macs make
very fine Windows machines either way, providing you understand the limitation
Is parallels on M1 accessible with voiceover?
I prefer the Mac’s menu driven system and its mail app.
From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on
isionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac I don’t use any Windows applications for which there isn’t a Mac OS equivalent. I have them installed in parallel, on separate machines, and I can use either. As to which it best, it depends on the application. F
Thanks.
This is another reason why I’ve given up on the idea of installing Windows on a
Mac.
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> This is another reason why I’ve given up on the idea of installing Windows on
> a Mac.
>
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Parallels has had a reputation for not being accessible with VoiceOver.
However, I don’t have it installed, so I can’t comment on the latest v
What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows machine,
and create Mac OS virtual machine using whatever virtualization software.
This has a couple of issues:
1. It is illegal. As the user agreement of Mac OS, you should not run Mac OS on
any non Apple machine. I don’t rem
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What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows machine,
and create Mac OS virtual machine using whatever
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What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows machine,
and create Mac OS
oglegroups.com> On Behalf Of Muhammad FayedSent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:54 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows machine, and create Mac OS virtual machin
My experience of iOS apps on Apple Silicon is that while it works in principle,
you probably will find that it’s more trouble than it’s worth in practice. It
does depend on several factors, but especially apps that have web views in them
are surprisingly difficult to manage. Catalyst (what moder
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> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
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> What is meant by running Mac OS on windows is that you have a windows
> machine, and create Mac
mprove.
>> Use both operating systems if you depend on technology for work.
>>
>>
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I just reinstalled a Windows VM to run a firmware update utility for the Focus
5 display. Says it all, really. I did not even bother entering a product key,
password, or account. It was the shortest-lived Windows VM imaginable.
I agree that your situation is deeply grim, but much as it pains me
I won’t buy a new device soon. I just want to know the different user
experience between Apple Silicon and Intel Mac. I want to know how much does it
affect Voiceover user experience.
Regarding running windows on Mac, you can now tell “it is an optional thing”. I
wrote my last email because I w
BY THE WAY, I use terminal utilities to do whatever I want with open source
software. I don’t need Windows nowadays at all.
I’m totally blind, so it is expected not to generate good view word documents
or presentations.
According to me, not being able to run windows on a Mac machine is not a bi
OK, I misunderstood you that you needed Windows. I mostly agree in that case; I
also use Terminal and Linux VMs a lot and rarely need Windows. Even so, I think
not having it at all would be a problem; there are just some things you need
Windows for, including, yes, Office apps, but also running
: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
Date: Saturday, 1 June, 2021 at 18:06
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
OK, I misunderstood you that you needed Windows. I mostly agree in that case; I
also use Terminal and Linux
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With new MacBook Pro hardware in hand, as of yesterday, I can now comment
briefly on the VoiceOver performance.
So far, it has been excellent. As a test, I visited
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/ and followed the link to
ver, confirm that it doesn’t become hot in normal usage, although
> I haven’t yet tried any CPU-intensive tasks such as compiling a large
> software project.
>
> From: 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries
>
> Date: Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 19:29
> To:
e hot in normal usage,
>> although I haven’t yet tried any CPU-intensive tasks such as compiling a
>> large software project.
>>
>> From: 'ja...@jasonjgw.net <mailto:ja...@jasonjgw.net>' via MacVisionaries
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
It is indeed very impressive, but still, I await the new high-end Silicon-based
desktop Macs. If the current trajectory is any indication, they should be
incomparable.
Cheers,
Sabahattin
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