You know, As an instructor, some times I find this advice helpful and
sometimes not. While it is useful at times to torpido peoples pre-conceptions,
it is true that a number of concepts are the same across the board, such as
file browsing, email reading, and copying/pasting. Some users Won't
I agree.
I think instead of forgetting about windows, its more like forgetting about
your screen reader for windows. In my opinion, Voiceover and Windows screen
readers have more differences than the Actual OSs.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I found tough
was that blasted interacting, I still detest it vehemently. But forgetting
windows completely for me, was not a huge help because of the concepts that are
the same across the board.
On 2013-01-14, at 4:51 AM, erik
Interacting, once you get used to it, is actually a wonderful thing. It allows
me to quickly skip across frames in web pages and groups of buttons, tables,
etc.
Harry
On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
I have to say that this is true when I became a mac user. What I
Concepts do go across both platforms but then those little inconsistencies bug
me. In text editors and the like, you have your good old command x cut but in
finder, you have to use copy command c and then move at the other end with
command option v. Why?! As far as I know Command X isn't used.
When the concept works, it's great but all the times it's broken, it sux. Some
times, VO J doesn't move you between all areas you want access too. You can't
always jump to a table unless your interacting with another table or similar
area. Unless I don't know a cool command, there's no way to
Hi,
I can honestly say, I've encountered similar things on windows using Jaws.
Certain commands will work in one application, or in a certain instance, but
not in another. I honestly can't say if VO on the Mac does this more or less.
I guess thats pretty subjective. But, I don't think its
Hello,
I'd like to point out something about interacting. I've noticed that many
people interact when it is totally unnecessary. Not saying your doing this
mind you but, it is something I noticed many new users or, those who use a Mac
occasionally do. For example, I've seen people interact
I agree it's not just the mac. In windows it's fairly standard in the OS and
core software like mail ie windows explorer etc. I also understand my using
windows for so long means I'm some what blinkered to its inconsistencies and a
life long mac user would likely have as many problems moving to
Hi,
I used to interact a lot when I was new, though I never did wight he finder.
However, I have a nutty question so feel free to run me out of here. Do people
who have or used to have sight find it easier because they can visualize the
window and what it looked like? I have become better
If though you had a command to move to the top of a list with out having to
interact each time I'd be much happier vo shift home is painful if you forget
to interact first. Apparently before lion this was much easier. I do long for
home, end, page up and down to work a tad more like in windows.
What helped me the most was my dealings with iOs. I got used to most of the
keyboard commands with my bluetooth keyboard, so I was pretty prepared to take
on the mac when I got it.
Sent from my iPod with iCloud
On 14 Jan 2013, at 6:30 PM, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote:
If though
I firmly believe that my computer knowledge has greatly assisted me in learning
the Mac. I started out back in the dark ages as a DOS user. Then I moved to
Windows and used it through version 7. What I think both operating systems have
in common is that both run computers. In other words, in
Hi,
This often depends on the list. Option up/down arrow works in many situations.
For example, in the finder and YoruFukurou. I've also made a shortcut with
the keyboard commander and my trackpad commander to lesson the keystrokes for
when option up/down arrow doesn't work.
Ricardo
That's very helpful. I new option up and down used to work in mail but never
new it worked else ware. That will simplify finder etc quite a lot.
Danny:
Always learning, never shutting up.
On 15/01/2013, at 12:26 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
This often depends on the
That was my experience too, Richard but I didn't interact enough lol. I
accepted change, made mistakes, laughed at myself and carried on.
On 2013-01-14, at 5:24 PM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
I firmly believe that my computer knowledge has greatly assisted me in
learning the Mac.
Just a small clarification that iOS and OSX are both built on Darwin and
share much of the same architecture. iOS is basically Apple's mobile
version of OSX so the interaction experience is different, but the core
is the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
There was
any time a person attempts to learn something new, there is bound to be a
level of frustration involved - its no right of passage, just a fact of
human existence. Try to eliminate it altogether if you like, lord knows
people have been trying to do so for milenea.
- Original Message -
The one thing that someone told me helped the most. Forget everything you know
about windows! The 2 systems are as different as night and day, so open your
mind, and learn the new OS, because even though your not a knew computer user,
the system is new to you. Once you do this, everything
Cheree Heppe here:
From what has been recently posted about learning how to use an MBA and Mac
computers, and based on my very abbreviated experience with the MAC, and about
three years using IOS, I agree with the majority of thoughts and suggestions.
Where I disagree concerns the way the
My private suspicion is this. With perhaps the next release of the Mac OS, we
may see the elimination of having to interact with things. I forsee this
coming because of a wish on Apple's part to unify the IOS completely with the
Mac OS. Indeed, I'm kind of shocked it hasn't happened already.
Hi folks.
As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
commands, and how they can distance them selves from the Windows
platform, and learn Mac the best way there
Hello David,
Different people learn in different ways. I usually explain the structure of
the Mac (Home folder for each user and what it contains, Dock, Desk top, Side
bar, etc.). Then I talk about the basic applications and how they work
together. I try to get new Mac users to go through the
Yes,
1) take the VoiceOver tutorial by pressing VO, Command, F8
2) repeatedly read the mountain lion with VoiceOver manual. It can be found
on Apple's website, and also under the VoiceOver help menu (VO H)
3) make liberal use of the keyboard help function (VO K)
4) , explore and get very
Thanks for this, Anne.
When they aren't much into visualizing the screen, but are familiar with iPhone.
Would it then be an idea for them to use the trackpad for visualizing purposes?
Actually I use it myself to get better overview of new apps, and it
works very well for me.
-David
On Wed, Jan
Hello David,
I always explain about the Trackpad commander and let them decide how they feel
about it. I don't use it much myself, but I do use the trackpad without the
commander to get a contextual menu when VO-Shift-m fails me, and on other
occasions, too. As I work with text a lot, I find
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:28 AM, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks.
As far as I know, there are many here in this group who are helping
blind people switching from Windows to Mac.
Do you have any strategies to help them get fast into the VoiceOver
Cheree Heppe here:
This topic comes at a great time, as, with this newly acquired MaccBook Air, I
am experiencing difficulties.
First, when the MBA turns on from a shut down, there is no audio signal to
indicate that it is at a log-in screen or that it has come on at all. It seems
that there
Hi.
If you go to system preferences and under users and log-in options.
Hit the lock and type in your password.
Then you will see a checkbox that says use voiceover on the log-in screen.
I use a caps lock to vo modifier that works wonderfully to accomplish voiceover
commands.
On Jan 9, 2013, at
Hello Cheree,
IOS is a simplified operating system whereas Mac OS x is much more
sophisticated. You can't just transfer your IOS skills to the Mac. Even the
Trackpad commander behaves differently from the gestures used on IOS.
You really need to work through the built-in tutorial which you can
I really don't think there is per sey, a right or wrong answer here. Having
said that, I will! say that normally, I prefer teaching, not necessarily the
entire in and out of Voiceover, but before I really have people dive into
many apps, especially 3rd party apps that don't come pre-installed,
you can set VoiceOver to speak at the logon screen. in system
preferences/Users and groups from the users, groups and login options list,
select login options.
then arrow over to the checkbox use voice over in the login window. If the
option is dimmed, you'll have to unlock before making
Just my opinion:
Understand that the two most important things to learn are
1, Finder
and
2, text edit.
Next it's probably a toss up between Mail and Safari.
JS
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