Thank you, I'd never tried that. I tried looking for hints for everything,
tabbing, and everything else, but I missed this one. I'll update our bug list
with this new info.
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 22:44, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>
> Hi Alex. I just read your blog post about the bugs in El Capitan and
Hi Alex. I just read your blog post about the bugs in El Capitan and I found
your post about the character counter bug in the Twitter share menu. I don't
know if this really is a bug or not but if it is, try interacting with that
character counter. For me when I interact with it it shows the num
Hi. the bug with the reader is happening to me in Yosemite
Maria
> On 2 Oct 2015, at 8:01 am, Alex Hall wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I wanted to hit a few points I've seen raised in this thread.
>
> First, I want to address George's comment suggesting that I would do a
> podcast/blog post like th
Hi all,
I just want to second Mary's comments. thanks Alex for doing the work and
taking the time to post the bugs list. None of us can say what will matter to
the next person, or even if the next person will experience all the same bugs.
But I personally would rather be informed about poten
Hi Alex,
I for one appreciate the work you went through to post your report in a very
timely manner. Comments like what George did our typical for some people and in
my view most unhelpful. I say again most definitely not helpful. So I'm glad
that you are continuing to do the good work that you
Hi all,
I wanted to hit a few points I've seen raised in this thread.
First, I want to address George's comment suggesting that I would do a
podcast/blog post like this on a beta. I didn't, and I wouldn't, plain and
simple. I was running the GM, which is the final version in all but name. It's
to acknowledge
>> that you're not alone on that one bug. I've seen it too, and hate it!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re:
I figured that was the case. I just wanted to confirm.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Alex Hall"
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
This is all in the final release, t
>
> Is that in the beta though, or the official release? Sorry for asking.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall"
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: E
Is that in the beta though, or the official release? Sorry for asking.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Alex Hall"
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
Just to address the
al Message - From: "Donna Goodin"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
>
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> The one that bugs me the most on a day-to-day basis is the one pertaining to
> mail messages. It's very rare that
itan, then that is very
heartenning! Perhaps I should give it another go.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Granados"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
Hi Dona, I wonder what the cause of this is. I haven’t had any iss
h the return
key. Call me weird, but that's that. LOL! So, just wanted to acknowledge
that you're not alone on that one bug. I've seen it too, and hate it!
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Donna Goodin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:03 PM
Subjec
Hey if Hillary can break the law and share classified information and if our
fearless leader can target people with the IRS or Secret Service than why
should a poor shmuck like me follow the laws if the people who right them don’t?
(I’m kidding you don’t need to respond that’s for yucks I’m not
I don't know. It seems like others on this list were complaining about it a
long time before I started experiencing it, though. Seems like it's been
around for a while. In fact, I could be wrong about this, but I could swear I
read someone's post on this list where they said that issue was fi
Well, this is now really going to be off-topic, so just a couple of comments.
We also have a new car, and I know what you mean about all the gadgets. But it
does come with a manual, and for those who actually read it, my husband not
being one of them, apparently it's really helpful. Smile. As fo
Hi Dona, I wonder what the cause of this is. I haven’t had any issues with
mail and I didn’t do anything special on the install side, not even a fresh
install.
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> The one that bugs me the most on a day-to-day basis is the one pe
So I think there is some validity to the complaints. Apple under Steve was a
much more thorough company when it came to QA. Under Tim Cook things have
gotten sloppy. The Apple maps issue is one of the big indicators of this.
Secondly, Microsoft has n o screen reader because the folks a
Hi Mary,
I also use classic View, but I almost always prefer accomplishing an action
with a single key-press, rather than a command that requires multiple keys, so
I prefer the Enter method. It used to work great, up until Yosemite.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote
Hi Donna, and thanks for your reply. I am a big fan of the preview pane, the
classic view, and using vo Jay to jump between the message list and the text.
So the one where you hit enter to open the message and read is not something
that would be a huge deal for me. I have done it on occasion, us
Hi Mary,
The one that bugs me the most on a day-to-day basis is the one pertaining to
mail messages. It's very rare that I open a message and just get to read it.
I very often have to open and close it several times.
there were others I noticed, I think pertaining to the Safari busy. and havi
Hi Donna,
I would be curious which of Alex's bugs you experienced in Yosemite. Some of
the ones I recall reading on his list I am certainly not experiencing, and
those are some of the more serious ones. Audio ducking doesn't much concern me.
But the web stuff, getting stuck on webpages, the prob
To the person who said they don't remember negativity when new releases of
screen readers came along, I can only say, I don't know where you were. But I
used to be a regular on the window eyes list. And let me say, there were tons
and tons and tons of complaints every time new releases came out.
Reminds me of Sheldon’s spot. (for the Big Bang Theory TV show fans)
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>
> Its called the Goldilocks principle. Most people cannot find that perfect
> bed to lie in or the perfect chair to sit in.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud
I have to agree with George here, honestly. O, K. I've seen a couple of
the bugs, but not very severe. Not at least to the point where I can't work
around them.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "george b"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:17 AM
Subjec
Its called the Goldilocks principle. Most people cannot find that
perfect bed to lie in or the perfect chair to sit in.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/1/2015 1:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Capitan Is Here
As I mentioned, I’m not getting a lot of these bugs. I experienced the email
bug for a bit but on reboot it hasn’t happened again since yesterday. No audio
docking bug and haven’t run in to anything else yet although I’m sure I will.
So far so good though, much cleaner than the
Hi,
A majority of the serious bugs I can't even reproduce, and only all moderate
bugs appear here. Only five minor bugs, and those are easy to deal with. Even
the supposed "serious" bugs I can reproduce rarely actually happen, and it's
far from a showstopper.
For instance, audio ducking. I onl
I definitely! did not see these bugs in Yosemite.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Donna Goodin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
Hi all,
I finally had a minute to read Alex's bugs list. I thought it worth
mentioni
same here, i don't see any major bugs. and i love it. audio dosking is not
happening here as the first beta.
> On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. The
> whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lo
No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. The
whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid of their
machines. None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if you have a good
backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do. No guts,
As I mentioned, I’m not getting a lot of these bugs. I experienced the email
bug for a bit but on reboot it hasn’t happened again since yesterday. No audio
docking bug and haven’t run in to anything else yet although I’m sure I will.
So far so good though, much cleaner than the jump to Yosemi
Hi all,
I finally had a minute to read Alex's bugs list. I thought it worth mentioning
that many of those bugs are bugs I'm currently experiencing in Yosemite. so,
while I confess I was hoping they would be fixed in el Capitán, these are not
new bugs, just old ones that didn't get fixed.
Chee
oftware, I tell
ya.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Krister Ekstrom"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called
names but isn’t it strange how when a new relea
A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called names
but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, the things
that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs and the negative?
If by chance there would be things that actually could effec
>>> Now, keep in mind, I'm using Alex, not the Nuance voices, so that may or
>>> may not be playing a factor.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera"
>>>
>>> To:
>>> Sent:
Hello Alex,
Thanks for the blog, podcast, and bug report. Most of all, thanks for your
honesty regarding these bugs.
The bugs here are really tough to deal with. As someone who really likes using
the Mac, but is an average user, for the first time, I think I’m going to wait
for another update
----- From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
>>
>>
>> actually i found this bug on the first beta of the el capitan, so hopefully
>> if i'll insta
As with any new operating system, I would suggest waiting until at
least the first, maybe the second major update before installing it,
much safer that way.
Original message:
You can’t really go by these bug lists. They may be an issue for one
person, not on another. Depends on a lot of facto
one question before I try this. will it work on a late 2007 whitebook? if that
is one model that is supported, great! it will get me up to the latests
supported apps. if not, then I need to save up funds for a mac mini.
-eric
On Sep 30, 2015, at 1:25 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> Alex,
>
> I read bo
Alex,
I read both posts & really appreciate your efforts. In fact, they have
reenforced my belief that it is best to wait a release or two before taking the
plunge. Again, thanks for your work in this area.
CJ
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Just a note to s
al Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera"
>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
>
>
> actually i found this bug on the first beta of the el capitan, so hopefully
> if i'll install the el capitan stand
the official release. Now,
> keep in mind, I'm using Alex, not the Nuance voices, so that may or may not
> be playing a factor.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera"
>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015
age -
From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
actually i found this bug on the first beta of the el capitan, so hopefully
if i'll install the el capitan stand alone edition i can verify it all. the
s
How do you check the download status of El Capitan? I know I’m in the minority,
but I think what a great name!
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug list
> for AppleVis which I strongly recommend ev
PM
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
I am saying that they may not happen but I’m also saying they may, it’s not
a certain thing. For example, many people have reported audio routing bugs
with OS9 on the iPhone, I have not experienced this. I think you’re making
the right move it’s just imp
actually i found this bug on the first beta of the el capitan, so hopefully if
i'll install the el capitan stand alone edition i can verify it all. the sound
effect was so frustrating before but i already reported that.
> On 30 Sep 2015, at 8:25 PM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> Thanks
Hi Alex,
Thanks for this write up.
The next update is in beta 2 so hopefully there will be a fix to some of the VO
bugs soon.
Kind regards,
Sadam Ahmed
> On 1 Oct 2015, at 3:56 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug lis
Well wait then
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:15
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here
Well, unless you are saying that the
I've been running the beta cycle for public users for about a month and a half
now. Yes, some of these bugs do exist, however they do not prevent a user from
using OS X 10.11.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:
>
> Yikes! I had quite a few
Yikes! I had quite a few issues in the beta cycle, but nothing! like the
bugs you reported in that Applevis post.
Wo! Baby! I'm sure as hell glad I saw this before updating!
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: "Alex Hall"
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"
Sent: Wednesday, Sep
I am saying that they may not happen but I’m also saying they may, it’s not a
certain thing. For example, many people have reported audio routing bugs with
OS9 on the iPhone, I have not experienced this. I think you’re making the
right move it’s just important to state. You and only you can w
Well, unless you are saying that the bugs may not appear on my machine when I
upgrade, I think some of them are big enough deal for me where I will wait for
an update that will hopefully fix them. I am particularly thinking of the mail
one and those associated with Safari. The new features do so
You can’t really go by these bug lists. They may be an issue for one person,
not on another. Depends on a lot of factors.
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> Thank you so much, Alex for posting this list of bugs in the new operating
> system. Having just read a mainstream
Thank you so much, Alex for posting this list of bugs in the new operating
system. Having just read a mainstream review the talked about how this was a
"rock solid" release, it is disheartening to see so many bugs in your list. I
do know that Apple cares about accessibility. But it is damned har
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