hi.
Chris, that is what i have done, take one mac mini, an inverter,an fm
thingie, and you're golden smiles.
The sound from the computer will come out over the cars stereo, it may
not look drop-dead gorgeous, but as the Falcon from star wars, both
car and set up got it where it counts.
Tyler, am wi
This is one of them laws that is there but really can't be upheld
unless you are scanning the book to keep around after you turn it back
into the library or redistributing it. Otherwise, noone really knows you
scanned more than 10% of the book and you're at complete liberty to scan
and read i
I think as far as the copyright law is concern, it only covers for educational
purposes and if you want to scan the entire book out of the educational
purposes it is still consider illegal. Legally, in common cases, you only allow
to scan 10% or 1 chapter of a book.
As far as there is no equal a
As an amusing aside, I knew a guy who used voiceover on his device to
read long documents to him while he commuted to work. He had no vision
impairments, he just found it useful to be able to have stuff read to
him while driving.
CB
On 12/18/13 11:33 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
oh but of cours
hi Nicholas. I actually don't agree with you, or i should say i do up
too a point. When i started my education, it was clear too me from day
1 that i had too do something my self to get going. Like you i was
absolutely convinced that i would need about $2000 too make it work,
thank god that was not
Is it possible to scan and OCR library books? Yes, of course. However, to scan
requires a scanner. Moreover, to get good results from books rather than loose
leaf pages requires a special kind of scanner. Then there's the OCR software.
None of this is cheap, and none of it is an expense or effor
Unless things have drastically changed, one can definitely scan and OCR books
from the local library. This is unless accessible formats are available to
borrow. It is highly illegal for an individual to share their book scans /
conversions. Bookshare, as a nonprofit entity, can share scans made
Really? The inconvenience outweights the benefits? I scan and ocr books all the
time and unless i want perfection very little proofreading is necessary. I
haven't noticed the joy being sucked out of my reading by a little effort! Yes,
more work needs to be done in this area but meanwhile I will
I know this. I suggested a long time ago that there was a solution to the
funding shortfall. All every blind person in the US needs to do is send them $1
a month. Have their friends and associates do the same. It doesn't seem like a
lot, but its a geometric addition problem. so, $1 a month doesn
I can do just that, but the inconvenience of doing so vastly outweighs the
benefits. Also, there are restrictions in US copyright law that specifically
prohibits this kind of activity (and there doesn't appear to be a listed set of
exceptions) for the individual. Also, there is the time involved
Back at the turn of the century, I went to the Consumer Electronics Show, CES,
every year, searching for general market products which could be used, or
easily modified to be used, by the blind. I had been a distributor for AT for a
few years, and I became frustrated at the lack of vision of the
Another comment about NVDA. NVDA is fully developed by volunteers. The reason
it is free is because the people working on it are not being paid. Even then,
it has almost gone under a few times already. Because it is completely reliant
on donations, and because the people who benefit from it repr
To be specific, Apple worked with Berkeley Systems, the developer of OutSpoken
for Mac before Berkeley Systems went out of business. Apple then approached
HumanWare (if memory serves), to continue advising with OutSpoken because that
company purchased the rights. However, HumanWare only wanted t
Hi Eric, you got me a little confused, surely if you walk down too
your local library you can take a book home OCR it and read it?
Am not sure about the copyright laws in the us, but i know that in
Denmark, i can go down, get a normal book, take it home scan it , read
it and have the exactly same
oh but of course.
After all compare the number of apple screen readers there have been what
two? three at most? outspoken which did the job fantastically with
apple's input, , still can
with the right equipment, then voiceover. because apple understood the
importance of including speech for
Hi,
Well said David. While I understand people’s frustration and totally despise
discrimination, I’m not sure that I fully agree with some of the
opinions/comments shared prior to that.
I’ll chime in here to express just a few points. Way back when OS X first came
out, I recall going down to
I have two points here.
Firstly, OCR is a very CPU and memory consuming process. If you expect
to get this on an an EReader, you're totally 100% insane. There are OCR
engines out there, but the question of licensing comes to mind, which is
actually something I forgot to mention on my last post
I may not have written much code, but I certainly have had to debug a lot of it
over the years. It may be time for me to go back to school and learn coding the
right way. BTW, the guys at NVDA apparently make coding look easier than it is.
Then again, thats their specialty. Mine is a systems and
I can see the problems I have raised. However, the E-book readers actually do
have an audio port (how else are you going to hear other multimedia content).
THe authors guild doesn't necessarily represent all authors (in fact, a lot of
them are actually starting to publish via amazon and others).
Thank you David, for talking sense. I hope we can change this topic now
because I’m tired of reading people’s misgivings about what Apple should do
with their accessibility stuff as we can be constructive instead rather than
negative. Before someone says, I’m not on any platform’s side as each
I love how people who have never written much more than a few lines of
some high level scripting language in their lives are in a place to
explain just how easy it is to write code for a screen reader and
integrate it into a device. Take with that an entitlement and you have
the argument that e
Wow, such interesting arguments. When eBook readers do not have built-in
speakers, speech output is impossible. When the page of the book is a picture
of the page, a scanned image, speaking that page is impossible. When the law is
written such that the copyright holder has more rights around who
most of the time I am tactful. I submit a great many bug reports on a daily
basis (this mac has had problems lately, mostly owing to the fact that some API
calls were broken in Safari). I also do a lot of work in the Open SOurce
communities submitting bug reports on broken compiles. I type enoug
well, when I get what I want in a timely manner, I don't worry about it. Its
when I get substandard service, features or it takes a lot longer than it
should to get them,, then I am one of the most complaining bastards out there.
I make no bones about it, I expect excellence and anything less de
Hi,
I think I agree with half of this. But just keep in mind. Blind consumers are
no different from any other consumer. When you pay for something, and it
doesn’t work or, work the way you expect it to, some will act like asses. I
don’t think blind people should be anymore or less thankful
Krister!
hopefully when we report bugs and point out problems to apple to be looked into
or fixed, we maybe are more tactful than here on this list? I can only hope
so. You're right we need to point out bugs but whining to apple won't make a
difference in the long run.
Jim
On Dec 18, 2013, at
Yeah, and it doesn’t matter if we get what we want, because then we whimper and
whine about the fact that we have gotten what we want, either it is too late,
too little, too much or just plain spoken the wrong way. I know that what i now
will say is gonna offend people and i apologize in advance
That's so true Dave. Blind people should be thankful for what they have
and improve it in a nice manner instead of being asses about it.
Excuse the language but the truth hurts.
On 12/17/2013 19:42, David Tanner wrote:
Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple dev
BSD is extremely stable. The DM (desktop manager) can be a bit more
problematic. THe most stable one I have found so far is gnome. THere is one
issue though, no direct braille or TTS support in OpenBSD.
anyway, the DM's in Linux or Unix tend to be a lot more stable than MS windows
(remember the
I'm not really sure what your point is. You had a total agreement from
me in terms of bsd until you mentioned an X-windows desktop (x is just
the system, you need a window manager on top of that). If you are
suggesting a window server plus a window manager is more stable than
BSD, then you're t
its one of the reasons why they still use 486 class intel machines on the ISS.
Its simpler to code for them and they have a proven track record of being
reliable. You don't need to run the latest windows on them either as a recent
(and thoroughly debugged) version of Linux or OpenBSD with an X d
wow! that explains so much! I finally understand myself now! (huh?)
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:42 PM, David Tanner wrote:
> Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices
> than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known
> blind people have a
Well, Robert it probably does more to hurt all blind users of Apple devices
than it ever will to help make things better. But, as I am sure you known
blind people have a long history of being hateful, spiteful, not appreciating
what is done for them, and constant complainers.
Sent from my acc
So, I guess you have never seen anyone else or any other organization whose
technology wasn't absoluetly perfect.
Maybe you would like to be over 200 miles up in space wondering if you would
get back to earth because the software on the spacelab wasn't working right.
Or, what about the huge so
Cheree Heppe here:
Ket's say that a group of space faring humans crash landed on a planet that
could support life, but circled an infrared star. The crash survivors would be
unable to see without special infrared devices. After time, those devices
would break down. Would the survivors have ju
Cheree Heppe here:
Would you suggeat, then, that the blindness accessibility fall into the
category of a publicity stunt and that Apple gets to accessibility elements
when it benefits this aim?
I have experienced increasing bugs across the IOS platform that impair
function. I am collecting my i
Hi Eric
I for one refuse to do such a thing because I think, for one thing, it doesn't
reach the people that need to know about anything that is going wrong. Lately,
I have called Accessibility, and the advisor has been more than willing to
write up and report the things we found that were prob
oh. thanks for the correction. the other address was to google corporate HQ.
-eric
On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Ehh. It won’t get very far if you send to 1 Infinite Way in Cerritos. It
> might be better to go to 1 Infinit Loop in Cupertino though.
> --
> Buddy Brannan,
Ehh. It won’t get very far if you send to 1 Infinite Way in Cerritos. It might
be better to go to 1 Infinit Loop in Cupertino though.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:17 PM, eric oyen wrote:
> might I suggest, that instead of jus
might I suggest, that instead of just an email campaign to correct some of the
issues with voiceover in the later OS versions, that we should follow up with a
snail mail campaign directed at the company president. I know this seems
archaic, but the presence of physical mail can sometimes carry a
Hey guys.
About the mail thing, just switch to classic layout under viewing in Mail’s
preferences. That way, you can navigate by and hide/show columns you don’t want
or need.
HTH,
Matthew Campbell
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Also, it would seem to me that Tim Cook is a
Paul,
You said it all.
On 12/17/2013 07:54, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Mario,
That’s quite a lot of needless anger just because you didn’t get all
the attention you wanted right away from Apple. I do not think we
blind people have a right to demand anymore than we have earned. The
world owes us
Again, I point you to Tim Cook’s acceptance of the lifetime achievement award
from Auburn University:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEafGCf-kw
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:52 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> Exactly. You know w
Exactly. You know what happens when you assume. We have no idea what is
truly the roles of the accessibility team and you also have to consider that
there is both Mac OS and iOS to support. how this is allocated within the
accessibility team is, again, pure speculation.
Take Care
John D
Mario,
That’s quite a lot of needless anger just because you didn’t get all the
attention you wanted right away from Apple. I do not think we blind people
have a right to demand anymore than we have earned. The world owes us nothing
for nothing. I suspect that you do not really understand th
If you read the Steve Jobs biography, the author says Apple as company was co -
operating between engineers and design. Unlike many other companies they was
like a one big division. Therefore Steve Jobs could say "no screen on iPod
shuffle" and it was done within 30 minutes. Other companys with
Also, it would seem to me that Tim Cook is at least as committed to
accessibility and inclusion as was his predecessor. He’s the guy in charge.
He’s the 50,000 foot view big picture guy.
As to complaints about Voiceover’s not improving between 10.9.0 and 10.9.1, I’d
say there are some improvem
Hi,
I would also like to point out, the accessibility team is made up of more
people than the people who read our e-mails and answer our calls. There are a
few dedicated Voiceover engineers. I’m guessing not many, but a few that work
on Voiceover specific issues. I think we must understand l
sorry my friend, but what you're talking about doesn't make sense.
the accessibility team at apple must have overall responsibility to self take
over as the only Department that serves the accessibility issues.
This Department has to assume only matters related to everything that has to do
with
Hi,
I think the idea that accessibility is less important to Apple since the death
of Steve Jobs is nothing more than pure speculation and if anyone can prove
otherwise, I would love to see the evidence. I see no value in such comments.
Robert Carter
On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Scott B. wro
Absolutely right. They can talking to engineering. But engeeniering
has the final say. I agree since the great Steve Jobs has passed we're
probably not seeing as much interaction from Accessibility as people saw
before. To sum it up very briefly Accessibility is where you take the
accessibi
Of late, I have noticed complaints against the Apple accessibility team as if
to suggest that we are being ignored. It seems to be the belief of some that
the Apple accessibility team fixes accessibility bugs and problems with Voice
Over. I do not believe that this is the case. It is my belie
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