On 03/26/2011 08:58 PM, Tux99 wrote:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that
work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks?
I guess you must have missed the six or so times I stated that I don't
give a rat's whatever about whether
Quote: Frank Griffin wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 15:03
On 03/26/2011 08:58 PM, Tux99 wrote:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how
would that
work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two
sticks?
I guess you must have missed the six or so times
2011/3/27 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that
work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks? And
do you expect magazines to include a DVD+CD to please Mageia? What about
all the extra waste and pollution
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:11:07 +0200
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com
wrote:
2011/3/27 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that
work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks? And
do you expect
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com schrieb am 27.03.2011
2011/3/27 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how
would that work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now
need two sticks? And do you expect magazines to include a
Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 17:11
Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who
do not share your opinion ultra-orthodox software fanatics?
Why? An 'orthodox' is a person who follows his beliefs very very strictly,
'fanatic' has a similar
2011/3/27 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org:
Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 17:11
Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who
do not share your opinion ultra-orthodox software fanatics?
Why? An 'orthodox' is a person who follows his beliefs very
Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 17:40
By the way: I know, Debian are just a small group of ultra-orthodox
software fanatics, but that's exactly, what they are doing...
I'm aware that Debian does this now. While I don't think that all (or even
most) Debian supporters are
Frank Griffin a écrit :
On 03/26/2011 06:37 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones
often
only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to
download the extra
Frank Griffin a écrit :
On 03/26/2011 08:58 PM, Tux99 wrote:
And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would
that
work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks?
I guess you must have missed the six or so times I stated that I don't
give a rat's
On 03/27/2011 06:33 PM, andre999 wrote:
Frank Griffin a écrit :
On 03/26/2011 06:37 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones
often
only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
I forsee possibly here the same issue with this,
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like
(almost) part of the hardware.
I
Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 13:19:10 schreef Michael scherer:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply -
On 24.03.2011 22:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
Summary (from http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy):
* core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to
Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi schrieb am 26.03.2011
I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
1) it is consistent, and
2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon
driver doesn't work with any ISO)
Couldn't we have the following:
- Live CDs (like
Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 23:15:22 schreef Oliver Burger:
Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi schrieb am 26.03.2011
I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
1) it is consistent, and
2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon
driver doesn't work with
On 03/26/2011 01:11 AM, andre999 wrote:
Frank Griffin a écrit :
From what you say, there are not a lot of points of disagreement
between us, on this issue.
We both have contributed to open source for a long time, you
apparently mostly on developement/packaging, myself mostly
translating/
On 03/26/2011 06:37 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones often
only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to
download the extra non_free CD, or do not care
Quote: Frank Griffin wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 00:34
For you to complain that because you have minimal network access, the
rest of the Mageia community should bend over backwards to avoid your
having to swap a few CDs during install is a pretty hollow argument, in
my opinion.
And why
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:17:27 -0400, Buchan Milne bgmi...@staff.telkomsa.net
wrote:
But, that is *your* view.
IMHO, some of these questions should be posed to the community.
My opinion, is that the there must be an iso that includes
everything needed to install a basic system, and get updates
- andre999 and...@laposte.net wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2011/3/24 Olivier Blinmag...@blino.org:
Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de writes:
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter
- Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 11:18:03 schreef Olivier Blin:
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com writes:
It can't be free and have non-free firmware... previously
the
firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like
(almost) part of the hardware.
I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann)
Am 25.03.2011 09:23, schrieb Buchan Milne:
Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the*real* question is, would this discourage
some of our target market from using our distribution.
IOW, we*must* get community input (after documenting some proposals).
Maybe we should postpone this question.
Let
- Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware
that
its
actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it
like
(almost) part of the hardware.
I agree with
This has really moved away from the question of providing
drivers/firmware to a pissing contest about whose philosophy the
default offerings should represent.
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs, and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 would
2011/3/25 Frank Griffin f...@roadrunner.com:
You can say what you like about newbies or Aunt Edna, but anyone who can
find one ISO for themselves can find two, and the argument about how the
drivers/firmware wouldn't take up much space on the DVD goes both ways,
since downloading a separate
On 25.03.2011 14:04, Frank Griffin wrote:
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs,
I'd not presume that, as as previously stated they contain firmware
files without source code even now.
--
Anssi Hannula
My two cents as an user:
Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
ISOs, and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 would address
extending install functionality without changing the content of the
existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over
2011/3/25 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net:
OTOH, if aforementioned non-free software can be downloaded
automatically over the Internet (especially during installation), then
the whole issue becomes moot.
The start of this debate (which has grown very far beyond the initial
request) was
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
wrote:
Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware?
No, but the question is more , will
Wolfgang Bornath skrev 24.3.2011 10:57:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
It can't be free and have non-free firmware... previously the
firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been
changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed
yet).
I opened https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523
--
wobo
Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com writes:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
wrote:
Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware?
No, but the question is more , will we
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com writes:
It can't be free and have non-free firmware... previously the
firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been
changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed
yet).
They were also on the PowerPack images,
2011/3/24 Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de:
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
wrote:
Has the
2011/3/24 Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org:
Thorsten van Lil tv...@gmx.de writes:
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad
Donald Stewart skrev 24.3.2011 11:39:
I've never installed with more than one cd, but from memory, the
installer asks for extra media, surely if your installing from the
free dvd and have to eject it to add a non-free cd then that would
cause problems, or have I misunderstood?
Nope,
Installer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents
in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not
care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We
should
Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 11:43:57 schrieb Rémi Verschelde:
2011/3/24 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com:
We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we
not continue this in our product line? We use a different repo for
non-free, we also should use a different
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com
On 03/24/2011 04:57 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free
driver cd ISO which they could include in the installation process.
Excellent suggestion, and it dovetails with another problem: being able
to do a network install over a
2011/3/24 Oliver Burger oliver@googlemail.com:
Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 11:43:57 schrieb Rémi Verschelde:
2011/3/24 Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com:
We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we
not continue this in our product line? We use a different
2011/3/24 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant
survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity
storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as
that those two media are available from
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:03, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com wrote:
In the public appearance this would make a difference. As soon as
there is non-free contents on the ISO it is a non-free ISO. That we
provide non-free on the mirrors doesn't make Mageia a non-free distro,
only what
On Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:48:22 Romain d'Alverny wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com
wrote:
But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents
in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not
care about
On Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:03:08 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2011/3/24 Romain d'Alverny rdalve...@gmail.com:
Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant
survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity
storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes
Am 24.03.2011 11:53, schrieb Michael Scherer:
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :
What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not
install them?
I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary
issues, they just need them
On 24.03.2011 12:53, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at
On 24.03.2011 12:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents
in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not
care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We
should rather stress the point.
Note that
On 24.03.2011 14:41, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2011/3/24 Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi:
On 24.03.2011 12:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents
in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not
care about the
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:18:03 +0100, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath molc...@googlemail.com writes:
It can't be free and have non-free firmware... previously the
firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been
changed in that regard (i.e. I
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
2011/3/24 Olivier Blinmag...@blino.org:
Thorsten van Liltv...@gmx.de writes:
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
2011/3/24 Ahmad Samirahmadsamir3...@gmail.com:
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgandmorga...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornathmolc...@googlemail.com wrote:
But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents
in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not
care about the issue does not mean we should not
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula anssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
Summary (from http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy):
* core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does
not belong here. Not even
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannulaanssi.hann...@iki.fi wrote:
On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
Summary (from http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy):
* core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does
not
2011/3/24 JA Magallón jamagal...@ono.com:
Hi...
First of all, I have tried alpha2 on a couple systems, and apart from some
glitches it works pretty fine, I could even work regularly on it...
But there is just one thing that disappointed me.
It looks that there is no non-free soft in
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware?
No, but the question is more , will we provide a non free dvd iso,
and this question is i think interesting.
On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir ahmadsamir3...@gmail.com wrote:
Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware?
No, but the question is more , will we provide a non free dvd iso,
and this question is
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