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used by thousands and thousands of people world-wide here on python.org,
I would be strongly opposed to doing any kind of upgrade that would
force that kind of behavior. And it would be a real shame if we
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version was 2.1.5. I hope you mean that you're using 2.1.10 or
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I'm sorry, I wish I could help with the actual problem, but this really
stuck out for me.
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option has never been available (short of modifying
the code), and I didn't feel it was necessary.
But this concept really does make me cringe. I'd want to see it heavily
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mailman. Where does Mailman save its lists? Any help in
scritping would be helpfull.
See FAQ 4.09 at <http://wiki.list.org/x/z4A9>.
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methods to keep those two systems in sync.
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ings correctly, so unless you want to modify the
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g/x/AgA3>
Brad - can you check and fix the digest_footer on the mailman lists.
Fixed. Thanks!
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27;t take those questions (and their
answers) and put them in.
If there are any specific questions you can think of that should be there,
then please feel free to contribute them and provide the appropriate answers.
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Longer answer: mailto:-requ...@domain.tld who
Apparently this doesn't work with the site password
And it doesn't show anyone who has had their subscription hidden.
If you want a complete canonical list, the only way is via the command
line tool &qu
Fil wrote:
Longer answer: mailto:-requ...@domain.tld who
Apparently this doesn't work with the site password
And it doesn't show anyone who has had their subscription hidden.
If you want a complete canonical list, the only way is via the command line
tool "list_memb
ere's something about this in the FAQ
Wiki, but I don't remember exactly where.
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
Karl O. Pinc wrote:
I don't suppose there's an IRC channel related to mailman?
See the bottom of the page at <http://www.list.org/devs.html>.
D'oh!
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do have privileged access to the command-line shell on that system,
then search the archives and the FAQ wiki for "template".
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT in mm_cfg.py.
That controls where you send to, but not what address Mailman binds to when
it sends to that host/port.
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for "rate limit".
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You should reject all e-mail that is not fully qualified if it comes
from a non-local machine or domain. Then you can safely add the local
domain to any unqualified addresses that remain.
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Champagne!
I prefer Château d'Yquem. Vintage 1811, SVP.
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a Mailman developer, so I can't really speak to how easy it
would be to add such features. That might be a discussion to have over on
the mailman-developers list.
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er once occurred to me that someone might want to re-send that
original list creation message.
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you have problems with qmail, you're most likely to get answers to
your questions using their FAQs, asking for help on their mailing
list(s), etc
We will try to help you with any Mailman-specific problems there are,
but most of us don't run or know anything about qmail.
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moderate bit?
That would cause the one message to be held, but it wouldn't change the
moderation bit for that user.
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this time by simply accepting his
message. But I'd like to know what caused it so I can avoid future
issues.
Most likely the default moderation issue.
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e FAQ 1.17 at
<http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030519>?
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mailman/logs, or wherever your
platform puts them.
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Frank Elsner wrote:
My question is:
Where to define site scpecific defaults?
Which file of Defaults.py. MailList.py and mm_cfg.py is best?
Don't make any changes to Defaults.py, because it will get over-written in
the next upgrade. Make all your local changes to mm_cfg.py only.
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future (different) message
delivery.
This is an excellent point. I don't think I could have said it better
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;m not seeing any output in any of these sections here. Is that the
way it actually appears on your end, or did you leave some stuff out?
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e other documentation at
<http://www.list.org/docs.html>. Then search the archives of the list,
in accordance to FAQ 1.18 at
<http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030520>.
After doing that, if you still have questions, then feel free to post
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Not without modifying the source code, no.
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retty sure I've used Safari
and other webkit-based browsers as well.
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te monitoring script that runs
continuously and cleans out any cruft, or maybe slice your queue runners
for that part of the system so that you can handle the load better.
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site owner, which is me...
That sounds like a problem in your web server or in the SSL libraries.
Check all your logs (web server and Mailman alike), and see if you can
find anything there that might help us narrow this down further.
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know what to do with.
Any e-mail service provider that claims to give you guarantees of
deliverability, etc... are just blowing smoke up your ... nether regions.
That's a get-rich-quick scheme of the spammers.
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t is .. we guarantee its immediate delivery ..
Congratulations. You just got yourself banned from the list because you
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lman>.
Mark would be the one to take it from there and put it into the contrib/
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ce and not the "ports" version.
Last I heard, the folks at lists.apple.com were running one of the
largest Mailman mailing list servers in the world, and they were running
just fine with our sources on Mac OS X Server -- not the version that
Apple took and modified, and then turned arou
doing
and why then you're probably not going to be too happy with the results.
Just think about the issue of periodic password reminders being sent
out, and automatic unsubscriptions due to bouncing, for two factors off
the top of my head that need to be considered.
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where that would be appropriate.
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uld easily use
a different outbound route than the normal mail sent by that person.
So, such a test might turn up something interesting, but then again it
doesn't prove anything if it doesn't.
Don't depend too much on such tests.
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group at this large broadband ISP (he's a former co-worker of
mine from my AOL days), and he is the primary reason why I consider this
to be one of the best large ISPs around.
Yes, I am going to be tightening the security on this list.
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You would need to contact your provider or use cPanel resources (as
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rfc822 bodypart, and that should
guarantee that the signature is not broken, assuming that there's no changes
in whitespace encoding, etc
However, I don't know how most MUAs would handle that in a signed message.
A more intelligent encapsulation format should hopefully address that
nything at all in any of the signed/encrypted part, just treat
it as an opaque object and encapsulate the whole thing.
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hanged. People have been making this mistake for years.
If you want to actual list name to show up, you can either send plain
carbon-copies to both, or send separate copies to each.
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"troubleshooting".
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looks like
they were the only ones that received it?
Full personalization would solve part of that problem, but there's a limit
to how much you can customize the output from Mailman. See FAQ 3.18 in the
Mailman FAQ Wiki at <http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030547>
t's the next-to-last option in that section (right above
the "Additional settings" section).
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on 1/11/09 9:39 PM, Rich Winkel said:
Is there a way to grant access to a list moderator to edit the
subscription list without granting full administrative access?
Not without modifying the source code or coming up with some external
code to perform this function.
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the rest can be done by simply enabling
attachment stripping for non-digest messages.
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spam could be made
uneconomical.
This subject is off-topic for this list. Please see the archives of the
spam-l and ASRG mailing lists, and if you have any further questions or
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rking in the field.
Which is where discussions regarding spam belong. Except when related
to the anti-spam tools that Mailman provides, this subject is off-topic
for this list.
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r own mail server, you'll need to contact the people
that do to get them to do this analysis for you.
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ailman, we can no longer tell what IP address sent
what.
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your MTA, or in another
program that gets called by your MTA before it calls Mailman. There are
programs with names like "demime" and "stripmime" which might be helpful
here.
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sympathy there and hopefully get a bit more cooperation on things like this.
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-postal solution right now, and I'm sure you'd have
plenty of other people to discuss the subject with.
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Mailman would do and indicate back to the MTA whether or not the message
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The subject of the economics of spam was discussed in each of these
places, to a greater or lesser degree.
The concept of spamming the postmaster is common enough that it shows up
quite a lot when you google for it, and it's recognized on wikipedia
(see the last sentence at
<http:
h more likely to get something useful if you go
to the people who created your binary package and get support from them.
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trying to parse the file (which is rare,
but I've seen it happen), that's when you would fall back on "strings".
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tion options in
mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py.
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g a binary package from someone else, you need to go to
the developers of that package and get further support from them.
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h Bazar and Launchpad).
Otherwise, you can try putting this on the wishlist for Mailman3 (see
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0>), and we might be able to
add this feature at some point in time in the future.
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able to you, and you need to decide what
you want to do and how you want to do it. We can help you with that to
a degree, but there are limits to what we can do. And right now,
Mailman doesn't have the best anti-spam features. That is something we
want to address, but we're not th
log, we would
make a measurable impact on the spammer economy. So long as there are
plenty of people who are happy to just throw it away after-the-fact,
then the spammers continue to win.
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user-level rules incorporated. Of course, that may be a
non-trivial task, but it's still an option that is available to him.
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ation interface, depending on how the site
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timate reason for providing any kind of
hooks for tools like SpamAssassin or SpamBayes in the Mailman code is
for those people who do not have this level of control over their MTA,
so they simply have no choice -- either it's done inside of Mailman, or
it's not done at all.
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However, it wouldn't do us any good on python.org, since we
already use SpamBayes integrated into our MTA.
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t;Allow this person to use implicit addresses".
I'd suggest adding these to the list at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0>.
I also have a question. When I allow people through in the future, am I
actually subscribing them with no-mail, or adding them to some kind o
ging the list.
These are two separate and distinct issues. One is a reasonable request
that we might be able to address in Mailman3, the other ... not so much,
although I do recognize the pain from which the request is being made.
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re you can make these kinds
of decisions before you actually accept the message. Once you accept a
piece of spam, you've already lost. Even if you throw it away, the spammer
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t i had to give up on being listowner completely, to be able to do
anything else beside it.
In other words, you brought in other people to take over that work, which is
basically what I suggested.
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, simply because I'm really the only guy doing any of it.
We've got a new guy we're bringing onboard, and I'm hoping he can help
offload some of this work in addition to the other stuff we're asking
him to do. But in the meanwhile, I'm really the only guy dealing
office you want, and that
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f the list in brackets. Again, that works with the new
lists but not with the moved lists.
That sounds like a configuration file that is not in the right place, and
that might potentially be caused by the "configure" not being done in the
correct place on the correct system.
n but then held for moderation?
Before we can help, we need to know what is in the MTA and Mailman logs that
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that spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it.
If you search for "footer", you'll come up with several hits, and 4.39
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a unique IP address for your service (presumably so that you can do both
HTTP and SSL-enabled HTTPS), then yes -- that should work.
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Linux user groups, or on one of the
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that would give more
details regarding the true nature of the problem.
If they are not responsive, then you might want to think about trying to
find a different provider. Unfortunately, this is a very typical problem of
many cpanel customers.
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I've read everything I can find about throttling mailman. Everything I
found said it cannot be done.
The final answer to this question is in the FAQ Wiki. Search for "throttle".
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