uot; when there are easy fixes to member complaints. Such is life.
I was kind of hoping that like Richard implied there would be some
straightforward milter I could attach and run string matching against.
Since that isn't an option though I'll let my client know and we'll move on
is a whole 'nother issue!
Perhaps that helps someone attack this problem?
Rgds,
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of the variants.
A VERY straight-forward strategy would be to diff the current inbound against
the previous one it was in reply to - using threading as already cited. No LLM
is needed, well trained or otherwise, and neither is it "quite complex."
It'
ia DNS or DNS-like system is not
necessary.
As for users wanting to grep emails, that's a lame excuse: Just leave the
email unencrypted in your local folder! That one's born of lazyness not
capability. However, using encryption today CAN BE an annoying thing. My
goal is to remove the tim
fer to help still stands; I can be an awesome ally but I shouldn't be
the one trying to drive this as I'm spread too thin already!
Either way, this has taken up enough of the mailman list's time! So, if
anyone cares to be engaged in this, email me privately and maybe we can
wor
things I might not mind sending in that way.
I have a good handful of friends who I have managed to convince to move to
Proton Mail because I just won't deal with them via email if they remain
on gmail, etc.
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issed that entirely! -eye-roll-
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SADLY mistaken.
And therefore any discussion of "ensur[ing] a safe environment for email
discussions" is a real head-scratcher for me!
Chalk this one up as yet another entry in the long list of our collective
needs shot down by the "this is why we can't have nice things" e
#x27;re talking web interface details,
right?
Thanks,
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gents that just forward a
message with only "Administrative" changes, should not change the
Message-ID.
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...snip...
So is it the case that the message you received contained the actual messages
and they were only scrubbed in the archive and not in the message delivered
to List #2 members?
If so, that is a limitation of the archiver.
Um...
OK, it's not a confirmed archiver issue but... I se
I have a list that won't send out mail. I believe that all the settings are
correct, but I could have missed something.
I am running Mailman 2.1.39 cPanel, and I have access to the command line.
I have a list that I needed to modify settings. It was established by a prior
administrator, to
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be
different languages.
BTW, there is a python2 to 3 converter,
There's also this project:
https://github.com/jaredmauch/mailman2-python3/
-Jim P.
Now that Jared Mau
Inching forward here folks, trying to get Mailman 2.1.39 going.
I get to the point it calls Python and it dies with:
checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... configure: error:
* No Python interpreter found!
* Try including the configure option
*
NEVERMIND! I figured it out:
In this instance, it's:
gpg --recv-keys C638CAEF0AC21563736B5A22555B975E953B8693
Sorry to bother anybody! ;-)
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tarball.
I downloaded from: https://ftp.g
I'm trying to install 2.1.39 now, but am having an issue with verifying
the tarball.
I downloaded from: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
...these files:
mailman-2.1.39.tgz
mailman-2.1.39.tgz.sig
When I execute the appropriate command:
$ gpg --verify mailman-2.1.39.tgz.sig mailman-2.1.39.
earching through the old
mail.)
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hat I have
absolutely NO use for (other than mailman).
Thanks,
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote:
Hi All,
I used to use plain-ole mailman, WAY back in the '90s, BEFORE mailman2 and
LONG before mailman3... And I sure wish mailman2 had been done by people who
eep great records about it back when
since it was just a part of my Fedora package system!
So, any pointers for this long-in-the-tooth Fedora Sys Admin?
Thanks folks,
Richard
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appening. Either your login cookie is being removed or
for some reason, not being saved.
Normally, I would suspect the issues in the FAQ at
<https://wiki.list.org/x/4030614>, but those normally affect all changes
to all lists, so that may not be relevant here.
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 02:01:35 +0900
From: Stephen J. Turnbull
If that doesn't reveal the reason, also check your MTA logs and
configuration. MTAs are usually configured to reject or discard huge
messages (I think Postfix defaults to 50MB), a
to enter the string as a
python string, something like:
SUBSCRIBE_FROM_SECRET = "My Secret"
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ll use the account. The problem is
that the spammer may well understand + hacking, and get back to the root
address, so it doesn't really help.
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the error is being generated.
It might be possible to configure your MTA to be more forgiving, but it
really looks like the sender is bad.
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ich can filter on the headers of the message (like the subject) but
not the body of the message.
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y a DMARC issue. You need to enable the DMARC mitigations. AOL,
Yahoo and the like will not accept messages with a From that says AOL or
YAHOO that passes through your list unless it doesn't modify the message
body or subject in any way.
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least one
of your selected topic ids. (I'm pretty sure that is how it works)
Digests totally ignore topics, all digest users get the same digest.
On 10/13/20 4:56 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion, Richard.
>
> The only downside to that is that your 'Subject:
s@python.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives:
> https://www.mail-ar
On 9/10/20 3:13 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/10/2020 2:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 9/10/20 2:37 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2020 2:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/20 12:47 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>>>> I am getting email
On 9/10/20 2:37 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
> On 9/10/2020 2:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 9/10/20 12:47 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>>> I am getting email from entities with From: no-reply headers. Is there a
>>> way to filter those and just dump them in the bit bucket
ivacy / Spam
Filters with result discard. Might want to test with Hold to see if you
get false positives with your regex first.
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>
> Cheers,
>
> Johannes
>
Marc can confirm, but I do believe that a failed DNS Query is treated as
if the policy was reject, on the theory that it is better to mitigate in
error than to not mitigate in error.
Having a policy of discard would make that assumption not so go
t on
individual moderation.
>
> Thanks! /bernie\
> Bernie Cosell
> ber...@fantasyfarm.com
> -- Too many people; too few sheep --
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One thing to note is that you seem to have two different filters at work
here, one being non-member post, which you want to Discard, and messages
with 'bad' words in the subject, which you define to Hold. A message
which matches both filters will be acted by the first filter that the
message hi
servers in the same server farm trying to resend
>> messages.
> Some greylisting solutions also allow you to whitelist a domain or
> subdomain, but this can result in spammers spoofing that domain getting
> through...
>
>
which no explicit
action is defined.
(Details for generic_nonmember_action)
To discard so you don't get the messages (don't set it to reject or you
will be backscattering). It does say that you won't see messages that
should go to the list but the send used the wrong account.
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>
> /Bernie\
>
> Bernie Cosell
>ber...@fantasyfarm.com
> -- Too many people; too few sheep --
>
Its possible that your hosting service has disabled the option to
require approval to unsubscribe
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On 7/17/19 10:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 7/17/19 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage
>> (I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I
>> suspect that one issue is that th
your message. It was refused by the recipient's junk mail controls.
To reach XXX, please telephone +1 888 XXX.
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
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I'll agree and they don't always pay attention to their users. I have
road runner internet but separate email.
On 7/7/2019 1:59 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Hi Jayson,
Roadrunner has been problematic in this way for decades. They don't
explain, they don't provide policy information or cont
> On Apr 18, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Dennis Carr
> wrote:
>
> Hey, guys.
> ...
> So to this end, my thought is to route that mail over to a separate
> -admins list instead of 'mailman list admins'. The expected side
> effect is that this will wind up in the -admins list "not-subscribed"
> trap. I
be at the start of the header line, so doesn't
match things headers like X-Subject
The .* says that you can have any assortment of characters between the
Subject: header and the word in question
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Thanks to all for the sanity check!
/raj
> On Feb 11, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:07 AM Richard Johnson wrote:
>
>> I run a small mailman server for our historical recreation group. Lately,
>> I've been seeing mess
I run a small mailman server for our historical recreation group. Lately, I've
been seeing messages like:
: host al-ip4-mx-vip1.prodigy.net[144.160.235.143] said:
550 5.7.1 Connections not accepted from servers without a valid sender
domain.alph733 Fix reverse DNS for 149.28.67.38 (in reply
On 2/2/19 1:37 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On 2/1/19 6:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> Yes, Mailman has a feature call topics, but that is very different
>> then what the OP is asking for.
>
> Agreed. (I thought I covered that in my last email. Maybe I wasn
helped greatly if posters add the appropriate
key words to subjects to allow them to be categorized). I suppose one
option that might satisfy the OP would be the ability for the subscriber
to add a custom regex as a filter. That way they could get it to filter
on the replies they are looking for, a
l
technologies may add a notification piece to let you know there is
information (but those notifications won't thread in your mail reader to
recreate the conversations) and the Push technologies have archives that
you can go to.
It's a bit like asking
hings like adding
additional re: prefixes
I will ask you how much you are willing to talk to a person who
basically interrupts, says they aren't really interested in the general
conversation, so isn't really listening, but if you go out of your way
to answer in a special way they will hear you
On 1/19/19 5:24 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2019 at 17:08, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> Set the action on Sender Filters for messages from non-members to
>> discard, instead of hold. I had to do that a long time ago (Don´t
>> reject or you will be generating back-
white
list you.
There might be some other issue happening that the notice might help you
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icy of reject (or maybe even
quarantine) as they are allowing there users to use RFC compliant
re-mailing systems (aka mailing lists) that don't naturally meet the
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> the roster?
>
Mailman can send you a notification for every subscription /
unsubscription event on the list. Just have your email program filter
those into folders and sort them by date and you can get those nu
omain. Not all domains managed by Yahoo have a DMARC
setting of reject, I imagine only those that have had the data leak that
prompted the issue in the first place.
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ress, then a Reply-all will not produce two addresses.
I think this will work for me and then when I'm ready to really move totally
over, I'll just change it.
Thanks for the help!
/raj
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 09/14/2018 09:43 AM, Richard
I have my original test mailing list "testl...@mischievous.us". I copied it to
be "testlist@peacock.place" and then aliased "testlist" on mischievous.us to go
to "testlist@peacock.place". This works fine. My "General Options" has "Munge
From", so the From address always says "testlist@peacock
PF, is that this cause problems if
anyone sets up a forward for list messages to another domain, as these
now will get rejected by any domain that checks SPF.
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I recently moved a list from one server to another. Probably I missed
something. Everything seems to be correct except that the footer which should
be produced (using "Personalize: yes") doesn't get the values substituted with
the real info. It looks like this:
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(r
e body. My list is plain text
only, so I set a size filter to catch messages which quote the whole
digest. It also catches people who attach things anyway, post in html
(sometimes) or don't trim excessive quotations (sometimes). I set the
filters to
doesn't support that sort of option, and changing
message IDs as this option describes actually can cause a lot of
'damage' to the mail system.
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7;re going to have to take all these
> people off digest, and some won't like it.
>
> I don't know if getting these people to whitelist us would let these
> emails through, even if it was possible to steer all of them through
> the process.
>
> On 8 August 2018 at 11:48,
issues with a number of the larger email providers
with digests on the list I run. I suspect that the format of the digest
just looks strange to the scoring algorithms, and the embedded message
Ids will look like there are a lot of email addresses in the m
Interesting. Ok. Thanks!
/raj
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2018 09:58 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>>
>> (Mailman seems to deliver outgoing list messages to the local SMTP server
>> via "::1". I was expecting 127.0.0.1
r via
"::1". I was expecting 127.0.0.1. I wasn't expecting ipv6! ["Nobody expects
ipv6!"]) :)
/raj
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2018 07:22 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>> I'm trying to find some documentation on
I'm trying to find some documentation on how to force my retry ("RetryRunner")
queue to try delivery again. I'll keep searching but thought I'd toss a quick
note here as well. Anyone?
Thanks for any help you can provide!
/raj
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On 7/31/18 9:32 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2018 at 21:25, Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/18 9:15 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>>> Here's the request I just sent:
>>>
>>> 'setmemberopts-btn' => 'Submit Yo
ell
>ber...@fantasyfarm.com
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>
With Mailman2, submitting a non-subscribed email address to the
unsubscribe link doesn't give an error message. If you read the text
sent back, it says something like IF you were subscribed, and email wi
#x27;t acceptable so it could be rejected then, but
since it generally can't, you need to discard spam, not reject it.
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On 7/27/18 7:28 PM, Jordan Brown wrote:
> On 7/27/2018 4:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> Yes, there are existing formats that at least mostly represent this
>> in the message itself, but not for display. Especially that currently
>> the wrapping message would say it is from the
On 7/27/18 6:41 PM, Jordan Brown wrote:
> On 7/25/2018 5:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> Yes, one set of solutions would involve defining standards of how to
>> compose composite messages, with standards on how to display them. A
>> major part of the current issue is that for
sue is probably that the links still point to the http version,
which is redirecting to the https and losing the form data. You need to
change the config variable that gives the base page for the admin pages
to point to the https version. (Someone more familiar with the detail
to be clear within
the standard, and perhaps the standard could even be worked that
existing non-conforming implementations are so bad that it is clear that
the user needs a new MUA.
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> On Jul 24, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/24/2018 06:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> You CAN’T strip DMARC.
>
> I can most certainly strip any DKIM related headers from messages that are
> coming into my server on their wa
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/22/2018 04:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> What actions do you think mailing lists are doing improperly?
>
> I personally believe that mailing lists are their own end
> On Jul 22, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/22/2018 02:03 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> No, it was specified in full knowledge that it would break pretty much every
>> mailing list on the planet if used on domains with human users, instead of
>> its intended
Thanks! I have now upgraded to 2.1.27 and inserted this config. My test
worked and I see how to decode it. Hopefully, I'm well placed when I see some
of this "abuse" nonsense again. :)
/raj
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 6/25/18 1
can I prevent it.
>
> Dave
The lists language is set to use a National Code page, and Outlook
formatted the message to use a 'Smart Quote' that isn't part of that
Code Page.
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ailmanctl restart.)
What version of mailman are you using? Mine is 2.1.22, which I know is old.
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> On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>
> Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try it out.
>
> As for routing directly to spam, I actually thought of that an
ON on
> mm_cfg.py.
>
> As to your suspect, since he says he's not seeing the messages, is it
> possible he has an autofilter that's routing them directly to spam? I had a
> user like that recently.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Richard Johnson <m
I have a mailing list which has 51 members, all friends of mine. We use it to
communicate on things related to our history club. About 1-2 times a month, I
receive an automated message from AOL's abuse list, saying that someone has
marked one of the messages as "abuse". Unfortunately, there's
I see I'm still running 2.1.22. I'd like to upgrade to 2.1.27, however. Is
there a document with instructions on how to upgrade?
Thanks!
/raj
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> I am pleased to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.27.
>
> Python 2.6 is the minimum support
all members in all groups in one command...
>
> bin/find_member .
>
> The '.' is a pattern that matches any address.
>
>
>> .remove selected user from all lists in my server.
>
> bin/remove_members --fromall
>
of course).
>>
>> Try changing that to - for example - "" or
>> "" and look how Outlook treats it then.
>>
>> Christian
>>
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On 3/31/18 6:55 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 17:33 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
I've had to deal with Gmail's honey-potting before, and I can do it
again if necessary. I don't imagine that you've ever done commercial
email administration, Richar
On 3/31/18 6:33 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 17:57 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/31/18 3:35 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 14:50 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
To me the issue sounds like why is fmp.com forwarding spam?
If this is a case of fmp.com
On 3/31/18 3:35 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 14:50 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
To me the issue sounds like why is fmp.com forwarding spam?
If this is a case of fmp.com offering forwarding mailboxes to users, who
might be using gmail as a final destination, then yes, fmp
be absolutely unique, mostly unique is likely good
enough), something like replace the at with _at_ and add a tail wart
like _dm...@fmp.com (so you can have other addresses an not worry about
possible overlaps with those) and use that as the from address. Then a
reply will only whitelist that specific or
Hi! I hope this isn't just a matter of my not having searched enough! I
searched through all of the configuration I see, but didn't find a way to
configure a mailing list to (1) set the "From" as the list address, while also
(2) NOT including the sender in to any "CC" list, and instead includi
o be allowed on the list).
You can also put the person on the Accept list, which will remove the
need for a moderator to Approve each of their messages and the list will
just automatically Accept it (unless it falls under some filter that
holds/rejects/discards it).
-
ext
sections, you might be able to create a semi-text only list, and in such
a case, there may be ways to embed an image inline that it gets lost, as
well as including the image as its own section so it gets through.
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On 1/5/18 11:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 01/05/2018 08:09 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
Sounds like its off to the host provider and see if they did something
recently.
I suspect some problem with the dnspython package. If you can run Python
in a shell, you can try
import dns.resolver
If that
On 1/5/18 10:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 01/05/2018 07:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
I use Mailman versioon 2.1.25 on a shared host, and in the past couple
of days, something seems to have changed, as posts from AOL users are no
longer getting their from address munged like they were a week ago
.
Has something changed with their settings, and is their anything I can
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I'm on the MM3 mailing list. Based on what I've been seeing without
spending a lot of time researching things, MM# does not seem stable. It
seems somewhere in the alpha/beta range, but closer to alpha status.
The problem does not seem to be with the MM3 code so much as it depends
on a lot of
https://xkcd.com/927/
On 11/11/2017 2:04 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
On 2017-11-11 12:22, Phil Stracchino wrote:
Heh, I just looked at that myself. How did such a useless tool ever
become standard?
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Spamassassin produces a numeric rating for for an email based on
multiple rules. Legitimate email can easily get a rating of 3 or 4
based on the way you have it configured. I've seen double digit ratings
as well. If you check for a single digit, you may be filtering
legitimate emails that ha
On 9/3/17 5:19 PM, Larry Kuenning wrote:
On 9/3/2017 3:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
I believe it is intentional that you do not get notified for post held
for 'emergency moderation'. My understanding of the purpose of
'emergency moderation' is for a short term emergenc
e a short
term patch till you can figure out a better method, then you will turn
off the emergency moderation. In this case you will likely get flooded
with moderation messages for posts held for the emergency moderation,
and you are likely going to be able to check the web interface
frequent
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On 8/18/2017 1:52 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
On 08/18/2017 11:07 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
I second this. It is a legitimate part of compliant email addresses, no
matter how many web stores seem to believe otherwise (or are merely
unaware of it).
I third this.
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