[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Marc Paré
Hi everyone, Le 2012-12-28 12:39, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Florian, all, (taking advantage of discussion so far..) Florian Monfort wrote (27-12-12 11:34) I've seen a lot of browsers recently moving towards silent updates. I was wondering whether this could be a relevant approach for

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Monfort
Sorry, hit enter and the mail was gone, so continuing: You can put a pop up on first install saying do you want us to update automatically or not, something like this. But we're also talking about Cloud Computing now, and the truth is, LibreOffice is ages behind it... And you know very well that

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Promoting LibreOffice in India

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Kannan Moudgalya wrote on 2012-12-25 13:12: We have been promoting LibreOffice in a big way in India. We have created 63 original ten minute Spoken Tutorials and a total of more than 200 tutorials dubbed into a few Indian languages. These are released at http://spoken-tutorial.org under

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] General Commentary on LibreOffice and The Document Foundation.

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello Volodymyr, Volodymyr Vladimir I. Druzhshchienschkyj wrote on 2012-11-05 19:53: I have been meaning to comment on the wonderful work the lady in Brazil has been doing, yet her name escapes me. Regardless of my lapse, Kudos to her and all those like her the world over whose efforts and

[libreoffice-marketing] Google AdWords

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, we have been accepted as participant for Google Grants. This means that Google gives us an AdWords account for free, with a grant of 330 USD per day (!) and 1 USD per click. I've been playing with it a bit, and set up the following ads for testing: LibreOffice needs help

[libreoffice-marketing] CeBIT status quo

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, here's a status quo on the CeBIT: - In the wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/CeBIT2013, there are still not many volunteers for staffing the booth. - Costs are rather high this year, the current offer foresees approximately 4.000-5.000 € incl. booth construction, booth

[libreoffice-marketing] Event Calendar

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, I'm planning to fill a calendar with all important and noteworthy open source and free software events in 2013, which should help us planning where to attend and present LibreOffice. @Marc: I know you've been collecting events already for quite a while. Is the ownCloud-based event

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Florian, Le 2012-12-29 05:24, Florian Monfort a écrit : Hi Marc, I think in this case you... Think too much haha. Let's describe the average user here and think about it: - When the average user downloads, he just ... Downloads... Mostly because it's free and he needs an Office

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Google AdWords

2012-12-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2012-12-29 06:09, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, we have been accepted as participant for Google Grants. This means that Google gives us an AdWords account for free, with a grant of 330 USD per day (!) and 1 USD per click. I've been playing with it a bit, and set up the following ads

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: CeBIT status quo

2012-12-29 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Florian, Le 2012-12-29 06:38, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, here's a status quo on the CeBIT: - In the wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/CeBIT2013, there are still not many volunteers for staffing the booth. - Costs are rather high this year, the current offer foresees

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

2012-12-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2012-12-29 06:41, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, I'm planning to fill a calendar with all important and noteworthy open source and free software events in 2013, which should help us planning where to attend and present LibreOffice. @Marc: I know you've been collecting events already for

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Florian Monfort
Marc, I am talking about the average user here, not enterprises. It is obvious that companies require different treatment, and it is also obvious that users will have a choice. I'm still saying we need to push such a feature and make sure it is benefit to a lot of users, making sure that those

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Event Calendar

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
Hello Florian, Marc and everyone, Good timing on the calendar. I was going to suggest having one on the wiki where everyone could contribute. Perhaps a Google Spreadsheet would be nice. Is the calendar open/crowd-sourced? Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
Hello Marc and Florian, If we consider what Thunderbird does, I think it is a good compromise solution. When an upgrade is available, it is offered directly to the end-user through a pop-up and the end-user can download the upgrade only instead of downloading the whole install package (200mb).

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Google AdWords

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
Great work on getting the grant, very good news. I went to check the Donate page in French (I am in Quebec, we speak French), and the links to the statutes and the manifesto are documents in English. Are these documents available in French? It might be easier to get people to donate to TDF/adopt

[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Jay Lozier
On 12/29/2012 09:38 AM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Hello Marc and Florian, If we consider what Thunderbird does, I think it is a good compromise solution. When an upgrade is available, it is offered directly to the end-user through a pop-up and the end-user can download the upgrade only instead of

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Paolo Debortoli
I think the matter is interesting. In Monachium of Bayern (Germany) people said that calls to the help desk fell from about 70 to about 46  (per day or month, I don't remember exactly) when they removed proprietary software from their 15,000  desktops, fucking one of the main arguments of

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello everyone, I'd like to call this discussion to an end. As it was mentionned several times here and elsewhere, implementing a self-upgrade mechanism, be it silent or otherwise is for the moment not possible. It's high up there in terms of developpers visibility, meaning that developers

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
Hello Charles, I would be happy and honored to take a more active role. LibreOffice is truly amazing. I am so excited, I printed the 2013 LO calendar and it's on my desk wall now :) Anyways, I think our competitor's arguments are aimed at business users, not individuals. And for those businesses

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Google AdWords

2012-12-29 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi, On 29/12/2012 15:47, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Great work on getting the grant, very good news. I went to check the Donate page in French (I am in Quebec, we speak French), and the links to the statutes and the manifesto are documents in English. Are these documents available in French?

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
I wonder when in 2012 did MS create this document, since they use OOo instead of AOO? Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Then there is this interesting warranty statement. [bottom of page 3] This document is for informational purposes only. MICROSOFT MAKES NO WARRANTIES,

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Boudi van Vlijmen
Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a document against LOOO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so! - OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html) and

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
OpenERP mentions explicitely OO but nothing about LO. Since LO is the improved version of OO, has anyone considered to contact the people from OpenERP to get them to update their docs? If we arguing in favor of integration with the product, we need their docs to be update so we can back up

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
According to the blog of Alfresco, LO is now offering integration as experimental feature: http://blogs.alfresco.com/wp/wabson/2012/11/01/cmis-support-in-libreoffice-experimental-features/ What are the plans on CIMS for LO 4.0 ? I think this is a great feature and selling point vs MSO. Immanuel

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Jay Lozier
On 12/29/2012 01:32 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I wonder when in 2012 did MS create this document, since they use OOo instead of AOO? Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Then there is this interesting warranty statement. [bottom of page 3] This document is for informational

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 12/29/12 7:36 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second version of this document. I made some rough calculations back in 2009, when OOo numbers peaked before

[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki page where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as Microsoft document is focused on Windows, which is their cash cow) is very good. All the points that have been raised so far are extremely good, and I think

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Jay Lozier
On 12/29/2012 03:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen wrote: Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a document against LOOO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so! - OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice (

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Anybody knows someone at openerp? Otherwise I'l lcontact them. Best, Charles. Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com a écrit : Sorry for top posting, but I think that the idea of creating a wiki page where we can brainstorm about the selling points for Windows (as Microsoft document is focused

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

2012-12-29 Thread Immanuel Giulea
There was an OpenERP meetup in Montreal recently. I can get in touch with the local people here. Immanuel On Dec 29, 2012 5:12 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Anybody knows someone at openerp? Otherwise I'l lcontact them. Best, Charles. Italo Vignoli

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Silent Updates

2012-12-29 Thread Jean Weber
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Florian Monfort florian.monf...@gmail.com wrote: But we're also talking about Cloud Computing now, and the truth is, LibreOffice is ages behind it... And you know very well that there is a big advantage to Cloud Computing : You don't have to make an update to