Re: [marxmail] Trump's victory

HARI, the solution is a giant national abortion fund to go with a national defense fund --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33431): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33431 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/109427796/

Re: [marxmail] Mr Pompeo (possibly) coming back - explains line on Ukraine July 24, 2024

the military industrial complex loves war --- especially ones that others fight --- they get the orders, the stuff gets blown up and they get more orders --- the real issue will be China and Taiwan --- On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 8:32 AM hari kumar via groups.io wrote: > The Wall St J is blocked to

Re: [marxmail] Where is the United Front, Can you direct us ?

Hari -- all very good questions -- I think we start small --- a NATIONAL DEFENSE FUND for those ensnared by the new slave power. And by the way --- I think we need to start calling MAGA states and MAGA policies the new SLAVE POWER --- "they" should not have Lincoln --- he argued that one needed to

[marxmail] Harry cleaver is Ione of the smartest people I know

The following analysis by Harry Cleaver is worth deep study --- he points the way to how to get involved in the resistance at the right "points" --- I highly recommend this piece which is not all that long I want to direct the attention of my friends & comrades whose familiarity with the history

Re: [marxmail] Trump's victory

Duane, that group may have had SOME impact in Michigan but basically it was Latino Men and White women --- most of last night we were treated to information from county after county in the first five states that BIDEN won (or came close in NC) where Harris UNDERPERFORMED Biden's 2020 numbers -- tha

Re: [marxmail] Trump's victory

the ruling class will rush to kiss Trump's ass it is up to we the people to figure out creative ways to resist. One thing that history might help with is referring to the 1850s when enforcement of the fugitive slave law stimualted great resistance to "the Slave Power" -- We should start call

Re: [marxmail] Investigation and agitation in Springfield, Ohio

It's activities like these which led me to be quite sympathetic to PL during the 1960s --- I had no part in the SDS split but I bet if I had been in Chicago, I would have supported PL against the Weatherman faction --- I myself never joined PL and had some arguments with friends who were in it ---

Re: [marxmail] Happening Now: Bond and Wolff debate on Democracy Now!

Interestingly, I thought BOTH of them were "right" -- (or at least PARTIALLY right) Patrick is talking about how the sub-imperialist BRICS are fitting right into the world imperialist system -- Woolf argues that the BRICS represent a "breakaway" from the imperial system centered on the US C

[marxmail] accommodating to fascism

The behavior of high flying capitalists like Warren Buffet, Jamie Dimon, etc and the owners of both the Washington Post and the Los ANgeles Times in REFUSING to come out against TRUMP is almost perfect evidence that these top capitalists and top opinion leaders --- INDIVIDUALS IN THE KNOW are t

Re: [marxmail] Sign the Petition : Exonerate Ethel

Thanks, MARV please pass that petition around to friends --- we are hoping for more publicity down the road --- right now with ELECTION taking all the air out of the room there isn't much opportunity to spread the word --- but after Nov 5 On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 8:48 PM Marv Gandall via

[marxmail] QUIBBLE

Anthony, I am VERY MUCH interested in carefully reading your 5 part article. One tiny quibble --- the SDS slogan in 1964 (I think) was "PART of the way with LBJ" --- I believe it expressed their ambivalence about sticking with the Democrats even as they feared Goldwater more What was intere

Re: [marxmail] Go See The Apprentice Before It’s Too Late

Interestingly, the title of Ivy's film BULLY, COWARD, VICTIM was taken from the Roy Cohn panel on the AIDS quilt --- some criticized the idea of seeing COHN as a victim but I've seen Ivy in Q and A sessions defend it because he had to hide the fact that he was Gay, he was indeed a victim of ho

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar, The Che Guevara of our Times (Necrology)

Dennis, you raise a very tough one --- I hadn't thought about that ...I think in a perfect world, Nat Turner would not have killed children --- But I would never condemn him for that -- I guess I just think that what Hamas did was a "difference in kind" not just quantity One could also refer

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

and yet some folks are celebrating Sinwar's masterminding of the killing of 1200 Israelis --- even though most of them were NOT "military" --- No matter how justified they might have felt, the Vietnamese did not kill every American pilot who was shot down --- they actually kept them fed, etc. whil

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

THank you, Steven --- my sentiments exactly ...General Custer was "brave" also he was no revolutionary hero! On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 7:08 AM stevencolatrella via groups.io wrote: > We are all appalled at Israel's genocide in Gaza. But when did Che Guevara > organize a massacre of thousands o

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

NO MATTER WHO WINS -- our first task will be to DEMAND that BIden immediately turn off the spigot of money for the Netanyahu war machine --- he will have NO POLITICAL EXCUSE not to --- Those of us supporting Harris will have to come to the aid of those already so disgusted with Biden's support for

Re: [marxmail] Nasrallah killed in Israeli attack

IRAN for all its blister does NOT want to fight Israel --- in fact (to re-burnish a sentence from the 1960s) IRAN will fight Israel to the last Lebanese ... I think Netanyahu is TRYING to provoke a war with IRAN so the US will be forced to "come in" --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: Y

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

OK. Here’s a tough one. What is the difference between today and 1968? I was among the folks who refused to vote for Humorey — actually reveled in the attacks on him. But with 20-20 hindsight I think Humphrey might have withdrawn from Vietnam sooner than Nixon with therefore less loss of life

Re: [marxmail] Discussion: The American Deal: Reframing the Economic Debate

SORRY Duane --- I think the article attempts to present a "NEW DEAL" between AMerican workers and Capitalists --- It seems simple minded but the question of whether workers can get much more than "subsistence" (A LA CAPITAL) and the capitalists still make sufficient profits to reproduce the system

Re: [marxmail] Why socialists should argue for a vote for the Democrats: Some lessons from history

OK DENNIS --- so the US CP was in bed with the Southern RACISTS when they supported FDR? (Stalin was in bed with them also for considering FDR a friend??) the anti-fascist coalition in this country includes the warmongers. (HELL, in the final months of the US Wars against the Indochinese (under

[marxmail] DISCUSSION: The American Deal: Reframing the Economic Debate

I don't know how many comrades will want to bother reading this --- I have been "cursed" since about 1980 to studying and teaching about so-called "conservative" economics. That's because I am in the Social Structures of Accumulation "camp" among radical economists from URPE --- that approach aro

Re: [marxmail] NYRB: The Race That Can't Be Won

I guess one argue that "THE" original "Cold War" was a competition between two DIFFERENT SYSTEMS --- and that had significant influences on both the internal behavior of the US (I argue that was why the NEW DEAL regulated capitalism expanded to create what some radical economists describe as a spec

[marxmail] right up Rick Woolf's alley

https://inthesetimes.com/article/worker-cooperatives-baltimore-maryland?link_id=2&can_id=c63063ccdbdc651a0b594f43dc51d6c6&source=email-the-democratic-convention-failed-the-palestine-movement&email_referrer=email_2450710&email_subject=meet-the-baltimore-baristas-who-took-over-their-caf_ 19 workers

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

Agree Mark -- first beat Trump -- then mobillize against MAGA. The good news is part of beating Trump is to raise the dangers from Project 2025 On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 10:37 AM Mark Lause via groups.io wrote: > To throw a spanner in the works here, let's acknowledge that Trump is > nothing

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

A very brief comment on one point by Gojko --- I believe it might be true that the majority of the WHITE working class supports Trump, the US has a multi-racial working class and the vast majority of the workers of color support Harris --- It may even be true that white WOMEN workers support Harris

Re: [marxmail] The role of civil society in political emancipation.

there was an effort gooing way back to the 1970s and 80s of demanding 40 for 30 (forty hours pay for 30 hours work) --- That should have been taken up by the entire labor movement ... after all, they fought first for the 10- hour day, later the 8 hour day ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Li

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

I admit, I did that in Pennsylvania last time around and am sending postcards this time around -- also, I have a trip to UNC-Chapel Hill to speak about the danger of fascism comparing it to the 1950s (for obvious reasons --- why else would they invite me!) also -- though I'm in a blue state I ha

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

I will take issue with number 3 --- I don't know (nobody knows) if and when a possible surge of support for socialism that makes an independent political party a good idea (American history has two models --- the fragmentation and ultimate disappearance of the WHIG party after 1850 (death knell sou

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

And Rick Woolf with his DEMOCRACY AT WORK project has argued for years that worker-owned companies represent the BIrth of a New Society from the Womb of the old ... uinclear if he's right but he argues that is the route to socialism in America > > I am using "political economy" in the sense Marx

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

Hari -- clearly what is missing is WHO is the working class going to BLAME it on -- so far the fascists have won that battle the "elites" are promoting the "immigrants, gays, transgendered, uppity women, dangerous peoples of color -- did I leave anyone out?" --- the SOLUTION is the man on the

Re: [marxmail] Post-mortems on the Sep 10 debate

nit picking Mark news was made -- Trump refused to say he would veto a national abortion ban Trump refused to say he wanted Ukraine to win the war Trump back tracked on previously saying he had "lost by a whisker" -- now claims he was sarcastic --- so he now claims again that the 2020 election w

Re: [marxmail] Post-mortems on the Sep 10 debate

>From a class perspective and an internationalist perspective, Harris was pretty bad --- very bad internationally. One might be able to make the case that because TRUMP is isolationist and incompetent his election might hasten the decline of the American empire --- we might not try to enforce our

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

It should come as no surprise that I agree with John. I have been the "social democratic [meant to be said aloud sarcastically] "skunk at the picnic" for a long time --- and comrades on the list have been kind enough not to take it personally nor to make it personal so my view is baked in alr

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump Building an Army of Modern Blackshirts? | The Nation

THey always say (in self-congratulatory fashion) "the states are laboratories of democracy" --- in other words, States try out new ideas (California pioneered the right to turn right on a red light in cities!) and the rest of the country follows if it turns out to be a good one -- BUT Florida and

Re: [marxmail] NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE ROSENBERG CASE

oops -- forgot to link the AP story https://apnews.com/article/ethel-rosenberg-atomic-espionage-soviet-union-c193f4db76b3e5dd7f49799929fb526c and to attach the article from 2018 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32165): htt

[marxmail] NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE ROSENBERG CASE

Dear Comrades --- The "interpretation" of my parents' case has gone through a number of iterations --- we originally thought that the case was a creation out of whole cloth --- not that there wasn't atomic espionage (we always thought the scientist Klaus Fuchs was a spy) --- but we thought the Gol

[marxmail] A Thousand Tennessee Autoworkers Just Joined the UAW

I think this is very good news -- a small step but definitely in the RIGHT DIRECTION ... -- Forwarded message - From: Portside Labor Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 11:39 PM Subject: A Thousand Tennessee Autoworkers Just Joined the UAW To:

Re: [marxmail] Open-Door Imperialism

ed after the successful revolt -- On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:58 PM Anthony Boynton via groups.io wrote: > *Open-Door Imperialism* > > In a recent thread (Some say China is not imperialist because it has no > militaristic expantion) Michael Meeropol cryptically referred to William > Appleman

Re: [marxmail] MAGA’s rise does seem connected to the economic decline of much of rural and small-town America.

but a deeper dive recently published said that in "depressed areas" it is the SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE who are "relatively rich" where they live who are MOST LIKELY to support Trump --- their decline in relative STATUS because where they LIVE has become a backwater might be the reason for that --- (I thi

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

I apologize for weighing in on the Trotskyist-Stalinist debates and differences but I have to say --- as someone brought up as a "Stalinist:" red diaper baby, MY interactions with Trotskyists was in the context of the broad coalition that fought against the Vietnam War during the 1960s --- as such,

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

gojko, my only quibble is that Marx did obviously want to CHANGE the world --- but before he could work on changing the world, he had to UNDERSTAND it --- he spent his WHOLE LIFE attempting to understand it -- I think that a lot of these discussions DO help us understand the world --- we (especial

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

Dave, I think there is some value in distinguishing the kind of territorial expansionism that occurred as the US (and Canadians, and Argentines, and Portuguese in Brazil) "filled in" the continental area by either killing off or conquering the indigenous populations (THe Dutch and British in South

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

THis Trotsky point of view fits beautifully with W. A. Williams' idea of "open door" imperialism as propounded by the OPEN DOOR NOTES re China at the turn of the 20th century On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 10:20 AM Charles Rachlis via groups.io wrote: > To all those who say China is not imperialist beca

[marxmail] Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires

THIS IS FASCINATING (I know nothing about these empires but the theoretical discussion in this article seems very well done) -- Forwarded message - From: Human Bridges Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 12:42 PM Subject: Political Collapse: Lessons From Fallen Empires To: Can't s

Re: [marxmail] Will the Post-DNC Pivot on Palestine Hurt Harris?

I know this is probably a "wish father to the thought" hope but I wonder if the day after election day, BIDEN might call Natanyahu and tell him all militaqry aid is cut off till he agrees to a deal on the hostages and a cease fire --- REMEMBER, BIden and company are VERY PISSED at Netanyahu -- "WH

Re: [marxmail] Neoliberal Policies Associated With Reaganomics Actually Started With Carter

I totally disagree about Nixon --- the Nixon-Ford administrations were the HIGH WATER of American Keynesianism --- the Ford administration's response to the recession of 1975 was the largest single jump in the federal budget deficit as a percentage of GDP since WW II (or maybe the Korean War) --- i

Re: [marxmail] The Ghost of Roy Cohn

this allows me to give a commercial for my daughter Ivy's film BULLY,COWARD,VICTIM: The story of Roy Cohn --- you get vintage footage of the Army McCarthy hearing --- including a cool comment by Tony Kushner about how Cohn bamboozled "poor drunken McCarthy" into taking on the army (!!!) ANOTHER g

Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

I don't mean to sound like a PEDANT but I bet there is an issue as to how much of one's "CLASS BIRTH" determines one's consciousness even if you "climb" (or "fall") the ladder? I had my first seven years in a relatively poor working class family (NO TV in 1950 --- no car) --- don't think I'd ever

Re: [marxmail] Israel recovers bodies of 6 hostages, including Hersh Goldberg-Polin - The Washington Post

What I find "interesting" in a disgusting sort of way --- is that BIDEN and HARRIS "have" to blame Hamas whereas the Israeli demonstrators know that Netanyahu's continuous sabotage of the negotiations (assasination, military activity in the West Bank, etc.) is the reason those hostages are dead ---

[marxmail] The ruling class continues to be split

I have a feeling that the "issue" with these hi-tech billionaires is that they haven't been rich long enough to develop class consciousness --- so they are highly individualistic and very easily slighted (as when the Democrats don't "listen to them" enough --- https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2024

Re: [marxmail] Anti-Immigrant Racism and Islamophobia Running Wild on CounterPunch

My only response is "HOLY SHIT!" --- thanks for publishing it we need to actually see this garbage On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 3:34 AM Memet Çagatay via groups.io wrote: > > I once shared an article on social media written by this apparently > troubled individual, under the impression that it w

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

well said, David I agree On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 6:38 PM David Walters via groups.io wrote: > I believe it is important to respond to Abraham's comments. In every case > cited above, the discussions, positions, pronouncements were about a > reality for the *per-Holocuast* Eastern European

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

In teaching about South Africa when I was working at the college level, I had the very short statement from a German philosopher (whose name I forgot -- I'd mangle it if I tried to do it from aural memory) "A nation is that which wishes to be a nation!" --- In other words, following Dr. Weizfeld, n

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

Mark, I totally agree about the Clinton and Obama administrations --- (I even wrote about both) --- THAT is why I really do think that the Biden Administration policies are a departure --- one interesting example --- The head of the FTC Lina Kahn has freaked out the corporate dems who are demandi

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

but I do think the Build Back Better bill and MEdicare negotiating drug prices and the behavior of the FTC and the NLRB indicates the end of neoliberalism domestically - (and of course I could be wrong) On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 11:02 PM Michael Meeropol wrote: > even the New Deal

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

even the New Deal was imperialist --- (Roosevelt used the Atlantic Charter to basically "take over" the British Empire stealthily ) --- (the New Deal was also racist as Hell in execution of policies ) and Truman launched the COLD WAR and KOREA and even made initial steps to support the Fr

Re: [marxmail] Why do so many workers live Trump?

agree with Dennis completely --- the only "good" news is that TRUMP''s success has FORCED the Dems to abandon neoliberalism --- If it hadn't been for Manchin, the entire Build Back Better Bill might have passed with is basically Bernie's domestic program ... The Democratic Party establishment havi

[marxmail] THIS IS A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE _- with good data

Dear Comrades -- The so-called three-legged stool of support for authoritarianism ("Trumpism" or "fascism" if you will) need s fourth leg. First three legs --- 1). Unreconstructed racists who never accepted the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments --- and were apoplectic about the "second Reconstructio

Re: [marxmail] Forum assessing US 2024 elections

He was a MUCH BETTER pick-up basketball player than I was --- and the kids we played with called us both "doc"!! (I reviewed at least one of his books --- he was indeed a wonderful comrade!) On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 5:49 PM hari kumar via groups.io wrote: > So sorry Michael. In my mind - somehow

Re: [marxmail] Forum assessing US 2024 elections

We all have said and believed thiings in the past that probably make us embarrassed now --- so I don't think Bill Domhoff's views on class collaboration from the 1970s and 80s are particularly relevant. What would be relevant for me is his meticulous dissection of the various strands within the ru

Re: [marxmail] Trump, Harris and the collapse of US neoliberalism

THe economists' argument against the idea of "price gouging" is that if monopolistic (oligopolistic) industries can administer their prices upwards --- why haven't they ALREADY done that? WHy "wait" for a little bit of inflation (or a natural disaster)? I think one can counter this argument by

Re: [marxmail] Elections 2024 and white supremacy in the United States

Dear Comrades -- I highly recommend a book that was published this year: UNDEMOCRATIC: Inside the Far Right's 50-Year Plot to Control American Elections --- by David Daley --- It describes how beginning with the POWELL MEMO of 1971 and the creation of the FEDERLIST SOCIETY -- and gaining speed w

Re: [marxmail] Saudi Crown Prince fears Assassination if he Recognizes Israel without getting a Palestinian State

without wanting to get into the issues involved, the real challenge is if we changed Trotsky's assertion to one comparing a slave-owner and a slave who kills the slave-owner --- (totally justified even for someone like me who opposes capital punishment) -- but what about the slave who kills a slave

Re: [marxmail] Forum assessing US 2024 elections

Among my favorite people -- and a person who has spent his entire life analyzing and identifying the US ruling class, I propose we ask G. William ("Bill") Domhoff -- I don't know if he's up for such a session though he has continued to update WHO RULES AMERICA even very recently. Someone who conti

Re: [marxmail] Wall Street is all in on Kamala Harris

THere is another part to this --- the "established" business leaders are probably (my opinion -- uncertainty here!) a bit worried about the incredible aggressiveness of the Musks and Peter Thiels of the billionaire class --- They do not want them to gain any more power than they already have On We

Re: [marxmail] August 6, 1945 - when Japan was seeking terms for surrender

there was a lot of evidence that when the Soviet Union entered the war, the Japanese realized that they had "no hope" of Soviet mediation and were ready to give up --- The arguments that the bomb saved hundreds of thousands of lives ignores much of that evidence AND there was a proposal to engage

Re: [marxmail] Lenin on Serbia's Role in World War I: A useful Analogy for the current Ukraine War?

I agree --- it is a fabulous series --- in a sense the writers were re-creating the Camus novel La Peste (down to a doctor being a "hero" in the village) --- the ambivalence of the Communists during the period before the Soviet Union was attacked is quite well done I think ... (the very ending was

Re: [marxmail] JD Vance and looming fascism

I would also recommend PREQUEL which is a book version of the first seasons of ULTRA -- (with much more detail) -- SHe is actually a scholar who has morphed into a journalist but still has that skill and inclination to take deep dives --- > > Horrifically right-wing voices have long been heard i

Re: [marxmail] An Attack on Venezuela’s Democracy - ZNetwork

wow --- I am ignorant but this article certainly was worth reading carefully and considering On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 3:08 PM Bobby MacVeety via groups.io wrote: > Here’s a different analysis from what the MsM and some on the list believe > https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/an-attack-on-venezuelas-

[marxmail] I know this is behind a paywall but ...

Dear Comrades -- This is behind a paywall --- but manyi folks are adept at defeating them Just the headline is helpful to me as I have been saying this all along -- I think the ruling class FOR THE MOST PART is united as an INTERNATIIONALIST ruling class --- internationalist in the sense of being

Re: [marxmail] The cult of personality

I think Trump is SUI GENERIS. My analogy is to Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION series where the historians predcited the trajectory millenia into the future --- but in the second volume a MUTANT shows up ("The Mule") which destroys their neat little predictions --- Trump is not a product of the ruling

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

Hari, thank you for those quotes. The public debt has always been the way capitalist (and pre-capitalist, I would say) nations financed war, exploration and conquest in general. What changed in the period of the 1930s was the idea that if the "people" controlled the government, they could use the

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

I would argue Carter lost to Reagan because he decided to fight inflation in 1980 with budget cuts which caused a quick but painful recession which is why Carter lost) On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 11:57 PM Mark Baugher via groups.io wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Michael Mee

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

I know this is SOMEWHAT off the subject for a Marxmail list -- having to do with BOurgeois Economics --- but one of the great mysteries to me was WHY the "party of the people" (HA!) the Democrats so quickly embraced "fiscal responsibility" in the demonization of deficits --- The Keynesian revoluti

Re: [marxmail] It heats up - threats from Trumpites

I do believe a lot of the threats from right-wingers are hot air --BUT every once in a while some nut picks up a gun ... On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:45 PM Dennis Brasky via groups.io wrote: > No - just hot air from right wingers to frighten already panic stricken > liberals. > > > On Jul 11, 2024,

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

EXACTLY MY REACTION, Hari --- On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 10:37 AM hari kumar via groups.io wrote: > Abraham: > "it should be noted that the USA national bourgeoisie is not national. The > Trump phenomenon reflects the German aspiring bourgeoisie in contestation > with the Anglo-Saxon bourgeoisie of

[marxmail] IS THIS A "RULING CLASS" SET OF PROPOSALS

On the economy, the Trumpists promise: https://www.newsmax.com/finance/georgementz/donald-trump-platform/2024/07/09/id/1171744/?ns_mail_uid=311e4642-c297-42ce-a4d4-78600795cff9&ns_mail_job=DM650243_07092024&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010102ygi0g3 I started reading it and realized it is ridiculous on its face

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

I was having lunch with a very smart person of the left who suggested --- Maybe the so-called "split" is the fossil fuel capitalists against all the rest . (???) On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:09 PM Charlie via groups.io wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 02:45 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > Charlie: A

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

we'll know a lot more during the final two months of the "PResidential election" campaign ... On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 5:16 PM Mark Baugher via groups.io wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Michael Meeropol via groups.io gmail@groups.io> wrote: > >

Re: [marxmail] Drop Out Biden

I don't think there's a split in the billionaire class --- the odd individual billionaire like Musk is hardly evidence --- I wouldn't be surprised if the capitalists come together to try and beat TRUMP --- --- there were LOTS of businesses who addressed the Supreme COurt urging them to uphold the

Re: [marxmail] ultraleft campism, Chomsky style

WIthout knowing much of the story, I consider it a tragedy that the nation of Yugoslavia which was put together by Tito's partisans after World War II fell apart after Tito's death -- I have wondered (and asked experts about it) from time to time whether different ethnicities CAN live together in

Re: [marxmail] ultraleft campism, Chomsky style

I heard Chomsky interviewed about the air war against Serbia and his main point was that the US intervention was with "unclean hands" --- Remember, in American Power and the New Mandarins, he wrote an essay in which he supported the "REVOLUTIONARY PACIFISM OF A.J. MUSTE" during WW II arguing that

Re: [marxmail] ultraleft campism, Chomsky style

Thank you, Michael --- I definitely see the "old" very thoughtful measured Chomsky in this interview -- Look --- nobody's perfect --- and we can certainly credit Yassin al-Haj Saleh for calling out Chomsky's failures since Nothing will change the decades of fantastic contributions to humanit

Re: [marxmail] ultraleft campism, Chomsky style

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT ARTICLE -- IT IS LONG BUT IT IS WELL WORTH READING ... I am someone who cut his eye teeth on THE RESPONSIBILITY OF INTELLECTUALS -- and have gotten to know Noam Chomskiy personally over the years. So it was painful to read this article. I do think the writer is conv

Re: [marxmail] F.T.A. – Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland – Official Re-Release Trailer

Either on the Dick Cavett show or some other late night talk show, SUtherland and another guy (name forgotten) did a FANTASTIC 'sports announcement" version of a battle between the VIet Cong and the 101st Airborne -- the end up with a "draw" and note that the Viet Cong seem to have a lot of support

[marxmail] South Africa after the election

Dear Comrades -- (especially our South African comrades) I am curious as to how this piece from THE DAILY MAVERICK sits --- Some of the points resonate in the US in the era of FAILED neoliberalism and a really piss poor effort by "establishment liberalism" to coherently resist fascism/authoritari

Re: [marxmail] China's rise

Has there been any good quantitative analysis of the Chinese "rate of exploitation" which (I believe -- proving my lack of deep study of economic theory) is PRIOR to and more BASIC than the rate of profit?? It is my understanding (again based on not enough real deep study but ...) that the rate o

[marxmail] HONORING NOAM CHOMSKY AS HE IS HOSPITALIZED WITH A SERIOUS STROKE

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Re: [marxmail] The Lesser Evil Gambit - CounterPunch

Agreed Mark --- I used to think that running up a popular vote majority was important --- NOT ANY MORE ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30760): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/30760 Mute This Topic: https://groups.i

Re: [marxmail] The Lesser Evil Gambit - CounterPunch

I know the feeling of wanting to leave the country --- I am old enough to contemplate leaving the whole shebang (as in earth) relatively soon,. (only via natural causes!) My "hope" is that maybe my grandkids will think of Canada as a better place to live Meanwhile, I do my VERY TINY part(s)

Re: [marxmail] The Lesser Evil Gambit - CounterPunch

Sorry to be snarky but depending what state one lives in, a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump as it was in a couple of states in 2016 (voting Stein is very safe in S.C. however, because Trump will carry that state for sure) On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 11:17 AM Susan Redge MD via groups.

Re: [marxmail] Would someone on this list be interested in doing a review in some publication of my book?

Dear comrades on the list --- I have read the book --- it is EXCELLENT --- it is good history and gets into the human side of the story as well. We should all be grateful to Dave for his dogged research -- Mike On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 4:54 PM Dave Lindorff via groups.io wrote: > It's titled "S

Re: [marxmail] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/07/disc-j07.html

I think given that the Brazilians got rid of Bolsinaro and the Indians are beginning to get rid of Modi we might want to ask what is so DYSFUINCTIONAL (undemocratic) about the US Constitutional structure that prevents the anti-Triump majority from throwing him and all his bums out ... -=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] On elections in general, and on Modi

I would have done exactly as Hari said --- MODI is indeed a fascist and his celebration of Hindu Nationalism is exactly what "Christian Natiionalists" are trying to do in the US today --- It appears that Indian voters are smarter than Americans --- The interesting question is --- will the oppositi

[marxmail] I just happened upon this video

Dear Comrades --- I happen to think the work of Peter Linebaught and Robin D.G. Kelleyi is fantastic --- they have both creatively used Marxist insights to break new ground -- the fact that they are friends and mutually respect and learn from each other's work is also impressive. I recommend this

[marxmail] Breaking news: India’s election results show tighter-than-expected race

Dangerous Hindu Nationalism and the Indian version of fascism has produced serious resistance ... wonder if the opposition can actually get together -- Forwarded message - From: The New York Times Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:28 AM Subject: Breaking news: India’s election re

Re: [marxmail] NYU Nurse Is Fired After Calling the Gaza War a ‘Genocide’ in Speech

how do we write nasty letters to NYU Langone ??? On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 7:23 PM Dayne Goodwin via groups.io wrote: > NYU Langone Health gave the nurse, Hesen Jabr, an award for her work. She > said hospital officials then fired her because she made pro-Palestinian > remarks in an acceptance spe

Re: [marxmail] Bil Walton, RIP

Bill Russell was QUITE outspoken On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 3:17 PM Marv Gandall via groups.io wrote: > Probably a dead heat between Walton and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as basketball > greats and political radicals, no? > _._,_._,_ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all mess

Re: [marxmail] NYT: On Campus, a New Social Litmus Test: Zionist or Not?

How about "Israeli policy is BAD FOR THE JEWS!" It's accurate and could start a good discussion ... On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 7:04 PM Charlie via groups.io wrote: > Mass movements never aim all their arrows right on target. Remember "Ho, > Ho, Ho Chi Minh is gonna win"? > > Marv has only criticis

Re: [marxmail] The US ban on Chinese EV's

I want to strongly agree with Mark's last paragraph: > > I have no problem with doubling their price of $14k EVs to address the > environmental damage done to the planet in a manufacturing powerhouse that > has much weaker pollution laws than in the US and no independent unions > protecting their

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