[MBZ] W108 vs W123/126 suspension

2007-10-14 Thread David Bruckmann
Gang, Now that the kingpin war seems to have died down, I have a general question about W108 vs 123/126 ride quality. As most of you know, the 123 and 126 soak up even the rudest bumps with grace and style. The suspension is soft, but if everything's in spec the cars don't wallow, and respond

Re: [MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa

2007-10-14 Thread Kevin Kraly
If that car was anywhere near me, I would buy it in a heartbeat!!! It would be a nice winter project. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used p

Re: [MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold

2007-10-14 Thread Vik Momjian
Hello Ned , I agree it's a PITA to have to remove the intake ! My 617s (126 and 123) are a breeze to work on as compared to the 606. My MB tech/mechanic friend who replaced the delivery valve seals showed me that you could start and run the engine with the intake off if diagnosing fuel leaks.

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread Peter Frederick
Sad day when the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter (and others of the same ilk) are considered main stream media. Most of the "normal" media has been neutral to opposed to the Iraq fiasco for some time now, just the right wingers are still in favor, sort of. That does not absolve the main

Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Rentfro
Indeed I willthe only things I got going next year is a trip to Tokyo last week of March and my big 30 class reunion in IL the weekend of July 12. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, October 14, 200

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
Probably because the media ran the Nam war just like they are running the current war and any politician worth re-electing knows that going against mainstream media is political suicide. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread Peter Frederick
Hear hear! I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery opti

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Peter Frederick
Contacts in the steering wheel. Usually only happens in the straight ahead position, goes away off center. Clean them, you may need to replace the carbon contact or the slip ring. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: h

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread OK Don
To some degree, that's what we did in 2006 --- didn't go far enough though. > > The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative branch. > When our Congresscritters passed a resolution in 2002 that basically said > "we abdicate our responsibility and delegate this decision to t

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread Mitch Haley
Wonko the Sane wrote: > I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way > should be required (by law) to immediately put any military-eligible family > members into uniform and into the war zone. The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative br

Re: [MBZ] secret message for IowaQ attendees

2007-10-14 Thread andrew strasfogel
My condolences. I guess precipitation is a zero sum game nationwide. While IA is flooding, Washington D.C. and the Metro area have basically been without measurable precip since Labor Day. Before that, we were about 10" in deficit since the end of May. In 30 years I have never seen a drought th

[MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold.

2007-10-14 Thread ned kleinhenz
Anybody figure out a way to diagnose and work on the fuel side of a 606 engine ? That big intake manifold system completely covers the entire driver side of my 606.910 engines. And it's always a PITA to diagnose and repair fuel leaks, fuel injection, and idle problems because you cannot see or reac

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
At least Kaleb hasn't stepped in.. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 10/14/07 09:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You're not helping my cause here, Tom!

[MBZ] secret message for IowaQ attendees

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
(Jefferson is in Greene county) http://www.kcci.com/severeweather/612559/detail.html * Greene County*** *Flash Flood Watch:* Issued at: 8:45 PM CDT 10/14/07, expires at: 4:45 AM CDT 10/15/07Flash Flood Watch remains in effect through Monday afternoon, The flash flood watch continues for Portions

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
I agree with Don but I'm closer to you than he is. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 10/14/07 09:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Car is toast. Head back to

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
You're not helping my cause here, Tom! On 10/14/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > If you wait long enough, the blinking SRS light will no longer be an > issue. It will be a steady on light like the one in my 300SDL for the > last 150,000 miles or so. > > Mine's probably a b

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
Car is toast. Head back to Iowa and I'll give you $500 for it, plus title to the Quantum (your ride home). On 10/14/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 > seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on

Re: [MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
John, If you wait long enough, the blinking SRS light will no longer be an issue. It will be a steady on light like the one in my 300SDL for the last 150,000 miles or so. Mine's probably a bad sensor or a broken sensor wire. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: John Robbins <[EMAI

Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
Craig is still in Jefferson. While you young guys beat feet to get home, Craig and wife stuck around to "smell the roses" in my small town. On 10/14/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Made it back about 15 mins ago. About ~1800 miles round trip. Craig > has me beat by about 500

[MBZ] Intermittent SRS Light

2007-10-14 Thread John Robbins
So on the way back from the IowaQ the SRS light blinks on for about 10 seconds at random. Only did it about a dozen or so times on the entire trip Is there anything common to check? Grounds, connectors, etc? Car is a '92 300D 2.5T John ___ http://www.

Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!

2007-10-14 Thread John Robbins
Wonko the Sane wrote: > We had fun. No one got wasted and made a fool of him/herself, there was > plenty of food (my frig is bursting at the seams with leftovers), and I got > to drive Tommy's 1998 S420. I need one -- would look good in my garage. I am > in LOVE. That car was awesome!! Fortunate

Re: [MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
And you even had the trailer with you! On 10/14/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://ames.craigslist.org/car/448940771.html > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 26

[MBZ] maybe I should have bought this white in Iowa

2007-10-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
http://ames.craigslist.org/car/448940771.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www

Re: [MBZ] IowaQ update!

2007-10-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well you will have to show up for the OkieQ next year, it will be quite a bit closer. Robert Rentfro wrote: > Thanks for the report, Lt. Don. Hopefully someone was taking photos > Too bad it wasn't 2K miles closer to me...I ended up having the day off. > > Bob R. > Went and saw "Across the U

Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread Wonko the Sane
My only comment on the issue will be this, because there are some issues on which I need to limit my input ('cause I will end up saying too much), and because this is Mercedes, not Banned. But ... I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way should be required (by

[MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952

2007-10-14 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 10/14/2007 10:39:05 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ask as I am wondering if the pump has to be 'parked' at a specific position, etc. Mac, You should warm up the engine first as this will affect the idle especially when cold. I installed m

[MBZ] 52s in Nam

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
Not only stupid, but governments have no memory, either. BTW, I saw maintenance troops on Guam an at U-Tapao do amazing things. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL P

[MBZ] 52s In Nam (WasRe: 124 tumbler close call!)

2007-10-14 Thread Wray Stanley
wilton strickland wrote: > 'Flew in Vietnam July - Dec 72, total of 78 missions, including 6 to Hanoi > during Linebacker II campaign of Dec 72. 'Flew from Guam and Utapao, > Thailand. > For its stupidity and the way it was conducted, Vietnam was a national > tragedy second only to the Civil War a

Re: [MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952

2007-10-14 Thread Mitch Haley
Steve MacSween wrote: > > Is replacement of the rack damper bolt a DIY proposition? http://articles.mbz.org/engine/diesel/rackbolt/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PR

Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease

2007-10-14 Thread Mitch Haley
I was under the impression that molybdenum disulphide damaged copper alloy (brass, bronze, babbit) bearing surfaces. What are the kingpin bushings made of? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/

[MBZ] 1991 350SDL

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
Snail mail address is 618 Park Ave. Goldsboro, NC 27530 Thnx, Don Wilton Strickland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery option

Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Bigham
I'm not sure the auto parts stores around here carry chassis grease for general use that does not contain molybdenum disulfide. I think the government's GAA (Grease, Automotive and Artillery) is moly grease. . Long fibered wheel bearing grease in auto parts stoes, yes. But the moly grease

[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
'Flew in Vietnam July - Dec 72, total of 78 missions, including 6 to Hanoi during Linebacker II campaign of Dec 72. 'Flew from Guam and Utapao, Thailand. For its stupidity and the way it was conducted, Vietnam was a national tragedy second only to the Civil War as the nation's greatest tragey. Ir

[MBZ] Rack damper bolt, OM617.952

2007-10-14 Thread Steve MacSween
Is replacement of the rack damper bolt a DIY proposition? I ask as I am wondering if the pump has to be 'parked' at a specific position, etc. Thankee -- "Mac" Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB

Re: [MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!

2007-10-14 Thread Wray Stanley
wilton strickland wrote: > Thank YOU, Harry, for the outstanding work you and your maintenance buddies > have done and still doing to keep the BUFFs (B-52's) flying safely. BTW, I > was a maintenance crew chief on B-47's before I was commissioned via OCS in > 1960 and went to B-52's. > > Wilton

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation

2007-10-14 Thread Loren Faeth
Reamers are used to have a final fit on the kingpin bushings after the bushings are pressed in. Pressing in the bushings swedges the bushing, so the bore is smaller than necessary for a good fit. reaming leaves 1 to 2 thousandth clearance for the kingpin to fit. When I had to put new kingpin

Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease

2007-10-14 Thread Loren Faeth
but almost everyone does use something else in my observation. A lot of lithium type stuff that gets hard. At 05:03 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: >Molybdenum disulfide is an excellent lubricant in its own right. >I understand secondhand that moly grease "will not mix" with >other greases. In most c

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation

2007-10-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
Peter, You are correct on both accounts. When the bushing is pressed into the casting, the brass distorts, making the ID smaller than out of the box. The stack-up of machined casting tolerances plus bushing tolerances plus kingpin tolerances make reaming necessary. Mercedes could have designed t

[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
Thank YOU, Harry, for the outstanding work you and your maintenance buddies have done and still doing to keep the BUFFs (B-52's) flying safely. BTW, I was a maintenance crew chief on B-47's before I was commissioned via OCS in 1960 and went to B-52's. Wilton ___

[MBZ] 124 tumbler close call!

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
BTW, tumbler fell apart as I removed it from protective cylinder. Front face was broken off and several small pieces of sheared/broken metal fell out. I could tell it had been broken a long time. It's a wonder it worked at all. I was extremely lucky to get it turned to #1 position one last time

[MBZ] 1991 350SDL

2007-10-14 Thread wilton strickland
Re. books, coupla "In The BUFF" and several "A Carolina Country Boy Remembers" available from me. $20 ea. plus $5 shipping. No movie propects likely. BTW, its always later than we think. Time seems to go too fast and gets faster as we get older. For me now it goes like telephone poles by the hi

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation

2007-10-14 Thread Peter Frederick
I believe the reamers are to get the correct clearance if the parts do not fit correctly out of the box. I seem to remember that you had to use spacers on the bottom nut too, but I don't know that for sure, I don't have that manual here anymore -- returned it to the owner. New kingpins can be

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation

2007-10-14 Thread Peter T . Arnold
>Any other questions? I have one of these assemblies, new, in my garage. Do >you want me to disassemble it, measure it & confirm that it really does have >some free play? > >Thanks, >Tom Hargrave >www.kegkits.com >256-656-1924 > No need Tom, if it assembles it has clearance. Simply stated, if

[MBZ] 124 Heater Core Question

2007-10-14 Thread Wray Stanley
Guys, I have run into a strange problem with a new Behr heater core I'm installing in my 'early 87 124.133. The new core came with O-rings. I'm reusing the water pipes, flanges, and six bolts. The problem is that there is nothing in the six bolt holes to which the bolts can attach. The old core

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Bigham
Hi Fred, I see that VW used a fixed reamer as did Ford. I seem to remember reading that Dr. Porsche visited Henry Ford while working on the design of the Strength Through Joy machine. Could he have been influenced to use a fixed reamer for king pin bushings then? And of course the VW link

Re: [MBZ] King pin Grease

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Bigham
Molybdenum disulfide is an excellent lubricant in its own right. I understand secondhand that moly grease "will not mix" with other greases. In most cases this makes no difference. Ford has specified it for greased chassis joints since the early 1960's. The real secret to tie rod ends and simi

Re: [MBZ] Brain picking: Who knows about 102 engine block drain?

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Bigham
Hendrik, I was hoping to smoke you out, since I know you have a car or cars with this engine or similar and either know or ought to know. I'll look on the side where the exhaust manifold is. Thanks for your help. Pedantic? What's pedantic? Is that like walking crazy, or Monty Python's Minist

Re: [MBZ] King pin installation: Pages from service manual

2007-10-14 Thread Robert Bigham
OK, I downloaded and saved the pictures and text, and will study them later. Thank you for this information. No, I don't want you to disassemble the new assembly you have stashed in your garage. But it is kind of you to offer. Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:25:25 -0500 From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL P