Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Tom Hargrave
Allan, Unlike a gas engine, 43 HP from an electric motor is 100 percent useable HP. You can easily get more useable HP from a 43 electric motor than from a gas engine rated at twice the peak HP. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Me

Re: [MBZ] I got something done today for a change

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
Does this mean you are getting closer to digging out a 126 front seat spring base and some center arm rest supports and an under door light for me? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:12

Re: [MBZ] I got something done today for a change

2008-07-18 Thread pm7088
-- Original message -- From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Does this mean you are getting closer to digging out a 126 front seat spring > base and some center arm rest supports and an under door light for me? > BillR > Why would you put in old used spring boxes?

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars - owning movies

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
My kids have lots of movies, but I don't think I own more than a couple - and have not even watched all the ones I have been given. My house is filled with Disney movies for the grandkids though, and they watch them. "Cars" is about to the meltdown stage with my 3 YO grandson. I discovered back i

Re: [MBZ] worst cars

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
Seems like they made some major improvements in handling and steering not too long after the early 60's, but I recall how poorly they tended to handle on the uneven roads we had in Central FL back then. No freezing/thawing to bust them up, but the heat and weight of the traffic tended to create wi

Re: [MBZ] I got something done today for a change

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
Because I am about 10 x over my budget for that car [though nearly finished, I hope], and IIRC the front seat parts are the same on both sides so I am assuming a RF seat spring base could well be in decent shape and a lot cheaper than a new one, though I don't have a price yet... The bad center su

Re: [MBZ] I got something done today for a change

2008-07-18 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: "It actually does have decent paint, but it does have a dent in the RF fender. Have not checked into the ac status but yet, I will sell it cheap." Let me know when you find out about the A/c and when you figure out how much you are selling it for. Any idea about the valve seals? C

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Rich Thomas
I think the key thing with electric motors is that you get all the torque at 0 rpm, so when you take off you have the max accel available, unlike IC engines. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: > Allan, > > Unlike a gas engine, 43 HP from an electric motor is 100 percent useable > HP. You can easily get mo

Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?

2008-07-18 Thread R A Bennell
I sure hope you are wrong. My 300D is already 32 years old and most of it works real good. I'm hoping it surpasses 40 years (and that I can still afford the diesel fuel when it is over 40). Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread R A Bennell
I have had lots of cars that had issues but can't say any were really bad cars. I liked them all for one reason or another. I've had some that were considered losers but treated me reasonably well. I had a new 74 Vega. I never had the overheating problem that ruined so many motors. I got it new

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread PM7088
My Father-in-law bought his "Last" car in 1974. He had just retired and felt that he must be frugal. The result was the "Special Edition" 1974 Mercury Monarch, stick, tiny 6cyl, no P/S a local dealer had on the lot. Remember those? They like to compare them to 12?'s in the ads, what a joke!

Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?

2008-07-18 Thread Tyler Backman
It's not my first MB. I've owned three before: a 1966 190D fintail, a 1974 240D, and a 1979 280E. EVERYTHING still worked in those cars, except the gas engine blowing up in the 280E. None of them had ever been restored, or owned by someone with the money or mechanical skill to fix broke

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread R A Bennell
Our 77 Monarch was a nice looking car, as you say, in a 70's way. It was a bit boxy and the wind would push it around on the highway but I always liked the look and it had good visibility out in all directions which is more than one can say for some of the current cars. It was a 2 door - white w

[MBZ] OT: DId Diebold tamper with the 2002 GA election?

2008-07-18 Thread Rolf
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html -- A leading cyber-security expert and former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) says he has fresh evidence regarding election fraud on Diebold electronic voting machines during the 2002 Georgi

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread Redghost
'78 cheby malibu for some reason that was a craptacular car. Was in the shop for either electrical or mechanical screw ups monthly. Paid for the shop owner's boat and fishing expeditions with that car. clay On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:31, Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:36:42 -

Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?

2008-07-18 Thread Redghost
I have to agree. Gump is 35 and if it moves it wants to be replaced or has been.Even the stuff bolted down wants to be replaced or renovated. She might have original headliner clay On 17 Jul 2008, at 21:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ..Maybe I just have high expectations, because

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread Redghost
Hold on now! You may have had issue, but my folks had one and it lasted for 10 years in superb condition. I do not think it went to the shop for any repairs from the time the dealer sold it until it was sold to some vato that did horrible things to it. Worst that ever happened was a rock

[MBZ] 126 Seat Springs

2008-07-18 Thread Dan Weeks
On Jul 18, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Bill R wrote: > I am > assuming a RF seat spring base could well be in decent shape Bill: On my 82 300 SD, I swapped the drivers seat springs for the passengers at 260k miles. Passenger springs started breaking 40k miles later. I've thought of trying to repair t

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread LarryT
There's an interesting book called "Preachers of Hate" about the "system" of education that starts teaching the evils of Jews & other non-muslims - esp Americans who must be removed from this earth to the male children. The females are removed from the education system altogether - its not

Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
I've thought about that one. Problem is a spring has broken and the cover won't stay attached anymore due to the change in geometry. My passenger seat is not used a lot, but when it is it is with my 91 YO MIL, and she needs the support. Thus far I have just sort of been ignoring it, but it is g

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread Bill R
Let me offer one adjustment to what you said: There is a lunatic fringe in Islam who feel the way you suggest all of them act and believe. The extremist groups have been good at offering free 'education', including housing and board, to poor families via the Madrasas in Pakistan and Afghanistan [a

Re: [MBZ] New thread: Worst cars we have ever owned

2008-07-18 Thread Kevin Kraly
I think their Dodge Coronet wagon was built either 4:59 Friday afternoon or 9:01 Monday morning. If there's one still in existance out there on the road today, it's probably a good one. That rear-facing rear seat was nice to have! It was replaced by a '75 Ford Torino Wagon complete with wood

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Allan Streib
What I've wondered, is would I keep the 4-speed? With an electric motor you should not really need a transmission or clutch, right? Except maybe to keep the current draw under control at take-off? Allan Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the key thing with electric motors is that

[MBZ] Ralph E Wasserbaech is out of the office.

2008-07-18 Thread rw50
I will be out of the office starting 07/18/2008 and will not return until 07/28/2008. I will respond to your message when I return. If you need assistance please contact Peter Chapman (248-576-7953) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts

Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik & Fay
So how is that fintail of yours going Roger? You must have replaced every moving part by now at least twice :-D Why don't you just buy a newy and be done with it :-) Hendrik with a few 20year+ plus Mercs that work just fine in the most part [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ..Maybe I just have high ex

Re: [MBZ] I got something done today for a change

2008-07-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
When I had it running it did not smoke at all, or smell like it was burning anything. AFter I get exhaust on it I will know more. It will be in the 1200-1500 range probably. Donald Snook wrote: > Kaleb wrote: "It actually does have decent paint, but it does have a dent in > the RF > fender.

Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs

2008-07-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK bill, I will dig one up for you. Will try to get that done this weekend. Bill R wrote: > I've thought about that one. Problem is a spring has broken and the cover > won't stay attached anymore due to the change in geometry. My passenger > seat is not used a lot, but when it is it is with my

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: > There's an interesting book called "Preachers of Hate" about the > "system" of education that starts teaching the evils of Jews & other > non-muslims - esp Americans who must be removed from this earth to the male > children. It's the Saudi gift to the world, free brainwas

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread Mitch Haley
Bill R wrote: > Let me offer one adjustment to what you said: There is a lunatic fringe in > Islam who feel the way you suggest all of them act and believe. The > extremist groups have been good at offering free 'education', including > housing and board, to poor families via the Madrasas in Pakis

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Article in todays rag goes on about Missinbitshity building a prototype eleccy car with hub motors front and one motor in the rear, top speed 180 klicks and range of 200ks, seating capacity of two 5 year olds and crashworthiness of a wet cardboard box. Strong winds will make it fly and passing

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread OK Don
I was wondering the same thing - those cars with motors in the hubs don't have a transmission, but most of the conversions I've read about connect to the tranny - some with a clutch, others without, but all shifting. Guess it depends on the moter, controller circuitry, power source delivery rate, e

Re: [MBZ] OT: Abortion pics on display in down town Atlanta.

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Damn that free speech thingy, perhaps if those anti abortionists are declared an terrorist organization. Hendrik Rolf wrote: > I am completely outraged that my children are allowed to see this crap > in *PUBLIC*. You cant show this crap on TV why in public? > > http://winmutt.com/images/antiabor

Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?

2008-07-18 Thread OK Don
Having replaced two of them in different 115 cars, I'd be very surprised if the heater fan was still working and original. Same with the vacuum pump, AC compressor, and water pump. That haviong been said, all three were rgeat cars untill they either rusted away, or were the victims of drunk drivers

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah, I read about a few and they just bolt the motor to the bell housing/tranny with a shaft adapter, use the tranny. With all the torque available at 0 rpm, I wonder if you could just leave it in 3 or 4 and do it that way. I suppose you would just figure it out. --R OK Don wrote: > I was w

[MBZ] Very OT: Brilliant prediction masquerading as satire

2008-07-18 Thread andrew strasfogel
By the Onion - in 2001 :) http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784?utm_source=onion_rss_daily __

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread Bill Ringgold
You are correct in some cases, but by no means many or even most. Islam is about the fastest growing religion in the US [someone who knows please check me on that] and not a faith Americans need to fear any more [to keep with my earlier analogy] than blacks need to fear Christians because of

Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs

2008-07-18 Thread Bill Ringgold
I would appreciate it. Thanks. BillR -Original Message- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 7/18/08 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs OK bill, I will dig one up for you. Will try to get that done this weekend

Re: [MBZ] OT: Abortion pics on display in down town Atlanta.

2008-07-18 Thread Wonko the Sane
I don't like it any more than I do a KKK demonstration, but it is legal -- just as a Robert Maplethorp art exhibition is. (oops!) On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am completely outraged that my children are allowed to see this crap > in *PUBLIC*. You cant show

Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs

2008-07-18 Thread Bill Ringgold
I would appreciate it. Thanks. BillR -Original Message- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 7/18/08 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Seat Springs OK bill, I will dig one up for you. Will try to get that done this weekend

[MBZ] The last of the Diesel mini pickups

2008-07-18 Thread Mitch Haley
http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=BI6161827D EPA rated 28 city, 31 hwy when new, revised downward to 24/29 in 2008. I believe these are somewhat rare. Extremely rare in the Great Lakes states in unrusted condition. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new p

Re: [MBZ] Very OT: Brilliant prediction masquerading as satire

2008-07-18 Thread Jay Slater
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/time_publishes_definitive_obama On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:29 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the Onion - in 2001 :) > http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784?utm_source=onion_rss_daily > < > http://ms17.lnh.mail.rcn.net/wm/mail/fetch

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Tom Hargrave
HP is still torque X RPM and you still need the transmission to make the most use of the HP. You don't need a clutch. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 7/18/08 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Allan Streib
"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > HP is still torque X RPM and you still need the transmission to make > the most use of the HP. You don't need a clutch. You would need a clutch to change gears while driving, right? I can understand not needing one to start off. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] The last of the Diesel mini pickups

2008-07-18 Thread Wonko the Sane
Doesn't look to be in too bad condition, considering the age and location/salt. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=BI6161827D > > EPA rated 28 city, 31 hwy when new, revised downward to 24/29 in 2008. > I believe th

Re: [MBZ] poll -- just for my own curiosity

2008-07-18 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:34:10 -0400 Bill Ringgold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are correct in some cases, but by no means many or even most. Islam > is about the fastest growing religion in the US [someone who knows > please check me on that] and not a faith Americans need to fear any > more

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Why need a tranny? I just bought a new drill that can be adjusted to turn from two rpm up to 600 or whatever rpm, no gearbox in that sucker far as I know. I am guessing electric cars work on much the same principle, put your foot down a bit and the wheels start to turn, apply more current and th

[MBZ] OT -- OS X panther disks to borrow

2008-07-18 Thread Redghost
Got the iBook from OWC and idiot that I am, I loaned out my Panther disks to a fellow I sold an eMac to. He has not returned them yet, and I would like to upgrade the OS on the book. Really stupid part is I have the Tiger upgrade disk, but need panther to upgrade from, and the ibook only h