Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Luther
Frybrid is in this for profit. Please show me independent and repeatable research that shows where VO (WVO or SVO) will not cause long term damage to an engine. In 5 years of being around WVO/biodiesel, no one has shown me this research. VO must be heated over 350F to make the viscosity

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread dave walton
Looking for sources of waste oil tells you a lot about the restaurants in your area. When the waste oil is solid at room temperature, common sense tells you to look elsewhere for fueling - and eating. McDonald's loses on both counts. -Dave Walton On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Luther

Re: [MBZ] cloudy headlight lenses

2009-05-10 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Thanks Barry, I will start with the mildest. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf

Re: [MBZ] '87 300D parts car value

2009-05-10 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: Did you verify that it has the #14 head? He says it does have the upgraded head. That could be worth the price of the car, if it's true? Depends. What if the vac pump blew up, shredded the oil pump, and it ran at 80mph until seized? What would the cam, cam bearings, etc look

[MBZ] Such a bargain...

2009-05-10 Thread Mitch Haley
Only $30k for this lovely 2.3-16v. 18 pictures and not one of the headlights/grille. What are they hiding there? An ugly huge star in the middle of the grille to match the ugly chromed wheels, or worse? http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=pcar_id=246925723 Mitch.

[MBZ] Mmmm, Sportline

2009-05-10 Thread Mitch Haley
If they'd cut the price by 50%, I'd be all over that. Note the little badge on the fender behind the wheel well, and the two person back seat. Those are the USA market 16v seats, but 16v seats only came in black. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=ucar_id=251344677

Re: [MBZ] cloudy headlight lenses

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
I have read that using toothpaste (not the gel stuff but something with some grit in it) to polish them up works about as well as anything, but have not tried it, so wouldn't know. I saw some car show where the guy used some package of stuff that basically seemed to be sandpaper up to like

[MBZ] 1243 brake pads wear sensor

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
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Re: [MBZ] XJs

2009-05-10 Thread Curt Raymond
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[MBZ] [Fwd: Star People movie]

2009-05-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Mityvac on sale

2009-05-10 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Peter Frederick
WVO contains several things that cause trouble as fuel: Protein (clogs filters, carbonizes, and produces varnish in the IP) Carbohydrates (clogs filters and carbonizes easily, abrasive) Phosphates (abrasive soots, can produce hard precipitates in the fuel system). Properly made BioD

Re: [MBZ] 124 pad wear sensors (was: Re: cloudy headlight lenses)

2009-05-10 Thread LarryT
Hey Ed - One more bit of info -- I recently changed the front pads on my '91 300D and bought replacement pads from Rusty - Jurid pads (call him to discuss them) and they came with everything including a replacement bolt which should always be replaced. I highly recommend them. I

Re: [MBZ] 124 pad wear sensors (was: Re: cloudy headlight lenses)

2009-05-10 Thread LarryT
Hi Ed -- Forgot to mention - along with the replacement bolts you also get 2 new brake pad sensors. All for ~$52+ SH. :-) Have fun - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: E M

[MBZ] Speaking of Fuels -

2009-05-10 Thread LarryT
Howdy - All this talk about different fuels piqued my interest - especially while watching the Audi documentary (called Truth in 24) about them winning LeMans using a diesel powered sports car. There were also many signs around the circuit promoting Shell V Power which was used to power

Re: [MBZ] XJs

2009-05-10 Thread Tyler
I realize the XJ is better offroad than a Volvo wagon, I just think the difference is a lot more subtle than it ought to be for a vehicle advertised for heavy duty offroad use. Considering that the Volvo wagon also has excellent handling and performance on the street, and is quiet and

Re: [MBZ] XJs

2009-05-10 Thread brian . toscano
Why not just use a Range Rover? My '91 is way better than my XJ and safer than most cars. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:29:45 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] XJs

2009-05-10 Thread Tyler
If they sold a diesel in the US... Sincerely, Tyler On May 10, 2009, at 11:48 AM, brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use a Range Rover? My '91 is way better than my XJ and safer than most cars. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Star People movie]

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
Was that fat guy about 3/4 through anybody we know? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.starpeoplemovie.com/ptrailer.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
Tore into the SD this weekend to see what the problem was with the passenger window. First took out the switches from the console (thanks Wilton for the primer on how to do that, comes apart easily and quickly), took them apart, and cleaned them. Still no go but the switches work well now.

[MBZ] OOPS

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/05/finding_the_failure_point.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 I wonder how a Benz truck would have fared? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Star People movie]

2009-05-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So its fat MB guy and you think it has to be somebody we know? Rich Thomas wrote: Was that fat guy about 3/4 through anybody we know? --R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D,

Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
'Don't have to replace entire assembly to replace a broken little plastic window slide. I've replaced three of them on the original assemblies (one on my now deceased 80 240D and two on each rear door of my 91 350SDL). The little plastic slides each come with a new copper rivet for mounting -

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Redghost
Maybe this is the way to deal with the issue http://kineticvehicles.com/ clay On May 10, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: WVO contains several things that cause trouble as fuel: Protein (clogs filters, carbonizes, and produces varnish in the IP) Carbohydrates (clogs filters and

Re: [MBZ] OOPS

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
Physics will win EVERY time. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: [MBZ] OOPS

Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread Jim Cathey
'Don't have to replace entire assembly to replace a broken little plastic window slide. I also riveted in a new slider on the SDL, once upon a time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-10 Thread andrew strasfogel
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[MBZ] OT - RC B-52

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
to insert 'em in the struts. Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090510/3e510507/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
WOW that is great news, now I can repair the one I took off the car and put it on my son's car, which has the same problem. I did not know!!! I rescind my curse of the Benz engineer. --R WILTON wrote: 'Don't have to replace entire assembly to replace a broken little plastic window slide.

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Star People movie]

2009-05-10 Thread Hendrik Fay
Is it my eyes or did that /8 have airbags in the back? Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://www.starpeoplemovie.com/ptrailer.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
Part of the curse still applies - for using a slide that breaks so easily. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors,

Re: [MBZ] OOPS

2009-05-10 Thread Mitch Haley
This guy didn't want to make the same mistake, so he built a tree rack for his pickup before he dropped a tree on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqY7b4JpJMw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OOPS

2009-05-10 Thread WILTON
That probably takes the cake for stupidity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OOPS This guy didn't want to make the same mistake, so he built a tree

Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-10 Thread Jim Cathey
I probed further. One leaky locking line affects the fuel flap door AND the hatch lock. Can anyone with a 300TD W123 wagon please explain how ONE leaking lock circuit can (when plugged) disable TWO downstream locks? Wagon, coupe, or sedan, the trunk and filler flap share one line. The

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/8/09 21:11, Michael LaFleur at mike.lafl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Why is it that every benz that has an engine problem that was run on WVO, WVO is blamedas the reason for the failure, but every other benz that has an engine problem, diesel is not the blame? Mike NAIL. HEAD. BANG.

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/8/09 21:17, Tyler at casi...@usermail.com wrote: These sort of engine problems are essentially unheard of in MB diesels that haven't run WVO. HORSESH*T. This list is turning into some sort of reality-denying cult, I swear to god. Mercedes diesels expire regularly for any number of

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/8/09 20:30, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: prime example of what WVO will do. It may very well have broken rings though. Let me correct your typo, Kaleb. What a poorly done WVO installation will do. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/8/09 14:02, tyler at casi...@usermail.com wrote: I might get this thing if it doesn't seem too far gone. Even some Mobil 1 and an italian tuneup on B100 might clean the carbon out if it can still start. If the car was running WVO in a poor installation it's far beyond carbon. It's

[MBZ] My 92 300D 2.5 Turbo for sale

2009-05-10 Thread Bob Morrison
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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/10/09 3:32, Luther at benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Frybrid is in this for profit. Please show me independent and repeatable research that shows where VO (WVO or SVO) will not cause long term damage to an engine. If you want evidence, I suggest you contact Elsbett in Germany, which has

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Luther
Steve, do you have any repeatable correctly done scientific proof that any form of SVO will NOT damage an engine? If so, please provide this so I may repeat the research. Luther Steve MacSween wrote: on 5/8/09 20:30, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: prime example of what

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
Race engine builders recommend that to free up sticky rings, use the thinnest oil you can for as long as the engine will stand it (even if that is 20 minutes). The same additives in synthetics that add to synthetics' slipperiness, tend to worsen the ring sludge. I started asking about this after

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/10/09 21:32, Luther at benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Steve, do you have any repeatable correctly done scientific proof that any form of SVO will NOT damage an engine? If so, please provide this so I may repeat the research. Luther First, see my other response. Second, stop your

Re: [MBZ] My 92 300D 2.5 Turbo for sale

2009-05-10 Thread Mountain Man
Bob wrote: Please feel free to ask any questions and make an offer. Sounds quite driveable for highway use. Without knowing what these things fetch, can you tell me what you want to get - range of prices? Thanks mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Windows and motors, etc.

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
You are correct, a half curse. A Cuban friend of mine taught me a great inventive curse in Espanol, but I should probably not post it here. I think there are lots of great curses in Espanol, I need to learn more of them. A Merkin guy cursing a German in Espanol! --R WILTON wrote: Part of

Re: [MBZ] OOPS

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
After the last round of OOPSes, the truck with the tree on it, and the Benz, I visited my dad in KY and drove past this yard where a big tree had fallen on this guy's boat on a trailer, and smashed the middle of the boat. I kept intending to stop and take a piccie buy never did. --R WILTON

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Star People movie]

2009-05-10 Thread Rich Thomas
I thought I saw what the guy said was a 220? with airbags going off front and rear -- it looked too old to have airbags, and in the rear too. But I was drinking wine while watching it so I might have been a bit crosseyed. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Is it my eyes or did that /8 have airbags in

Re: [MBZ] Opinion presented as fact

2009-05-10 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] hobbies

2009-05-10 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-10 Thread andrew strasfogel
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Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-10 Thread Peter Frederick
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Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote: If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO WILL coke up the rings pretty fast, and I suspect most of the cheapskates who want to run free fuel aren't going to put the $ into getting the engine into tip top shape first.

Re: [MBZ] Puzzling case of the locked fuel door - W123 300TD

2009-05-10 Thread Jim Cathey
The rear line Y's near the fuel flap lock. A leak in either side of the Y will (of course) tend to kill operation of the other side too. Don't forget that the lock switch in the driver's door can go bad, too -- we had to replace the one on my brother's 75 300D. They can also get out of

Re: [MBZ] Doing SVO Wrong

2009-05-10 Thread Tyler
Steve, every last word is 100% right. This post should end the conversation for both sides of the WVO debate IMO... Tyler On May 10, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: on 5/10/09 10:59, Peter Frederick at psf...@earthlink.net wrote: If you have poor combustion, I suspect that WVO