Re: [MBZ] Gump has Died... selling her

2010-01-22 Thread Kevin Kraly
I hope she finds a good home. Things would be different if I had the finances, the parking spot, a place to store the spares, and a 240D engine to throw in. None of the drivers around me like to row manny trannies either. Good luck! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon __

Re: [MBZ] Gump has Died... selling her

2010-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
Sad to see her go. Indeed. You've put a lot into that car, it's a pity that the camel's back has had it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscr

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Redghost
$600 about three years ago. They did the DV seals at the same time clay On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Clay, Sounds like you found the right shop - how much did they charge? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@oki

[MBZ] Gump has Died... selling her

2010-01-22 Thread Redghost
Anybody interested in a 1972 w115? Dark green, lots of spare parts. Enough to load her insides and trunk and room left over for a trailer. The smoke out the back seems to be an oil ring issue. Not that great a problem, but going to have to remove the head, and may as well do all the oth

Re: [MBZ] Wolwo smokers

2010-01-22 Thread Peter Frederick
Well, all three of the ones I'm familiar with had much more turbo noise, more injector noise, and a horrible clatter from the vacuum pump push rod. Best driving car I've every had (probably true of all the 740's) -- very comfortable and just flies down the highway effortlessly. Got 31 mp

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Fmiser
> Jim Cathey wrote: > > The safe way to repair a fuel tank is with soft solder and > > an old-fashioned soldering copper. > > My understanding is that diesel fuel (but not gasoline) > attacks copper. Or is this something that's now different > in the USLD era? I think "soldering copper" is anot

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: The safe way to repair a fuel tank is with soft solder and an old-fashioned soldering copper. My understanding is that diesel fuel (but not gasoline) attacks copper. Or is this something that's now different in the USLD era? I think he was talking about those big electric s

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Jim Cathey
The safe way to repair a fuel tank is with soft solder and an old-fashioned soldering copper. My understanding is that diesel fuel (but not gasoline) attacks copper. Or is this something that's now different in the USLD era? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz

Re: [MBZ] Wolwo smokers

2010-01-22 Thread Tyler
They all crack between the valves- and it never causes any problems. The crack is superficial and doesn't ever extend far into the head. Some people weld them up, but there's no benefit to it. I've owned several- and none were any noiser than an OM60x engine. If the turbo is noisy, it was p

Re: [MBZ] OT: Wankle muffler - Done

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YA! (I am thankful I have at least 80% hearing because I have tried to be careful around noise) I can hear everything except SWMBO and dog whistles. I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK -- On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: PLEASE wear hearing protection when

Re: [MBZ] OT: Wankle muffler - Done

2010-01-22 Thread OK Don
I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK -- On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > > PLEASE wear hearing protection when you are doing anything that is noisy > (mowing the lawn, target practice, operating a chainsaw, ect.) I have > PERMANENT hearing loss and tinnitus in both my hears from such stup

Re: [MBZ] OT: Wankle muffler - Done

2010-01-22 Thread Rick Knoble
> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com > Its also MUCH quieter, my ears don't ring at all after riding it, quieter > than your average lawnmower I'd think. Thats important, PLEASE wear hearing protection when you are doing anything that is noisy (mowing the lawn, target practice, operating a chainsaw,

Re: [MBZ] Somebody looking for a S500 with traction control

2010-01-22 Thread LWB250
How much? Dan --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Donald Snook wrote: > From: Donald Snook > Subject: [MBZ] Somebody looking for a S500 with traction control > To: "'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'" > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 3:55 PM > I think I remember someone looking > for a S500 with traction control.  I

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Not the same engine though, the '87 has a 6cyl. I understand they're a bit more powerful and relatively desirable because of it. '87 had the 147hp OM603 '90-93 had the OM602, with I believe a couple of hp less than the 190Dt. '94-95 had the OM606 NA engine with 24v and vari

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread WILTON
115 kmi (82 k when I got it) on my mighty fine (nearly showroom) 87 300D now; no head prob that I know about yet; 'did evapectomy on it in Jun 08. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:27 P

[MBZ] OT: Wankle muffler - Done

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Had a cardiac CT this morning, felt slow until around 3, so I finally got out and finished the muffler on the Wankle sled. Turned out real nice, I got a piece of exhaust coupler that fit the pipe from the engine tight and did some of my best welding work yet on it. Spent a bunch of time making

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Not the same engine though, the '87 has a 6cyl. I understand they're a bit more powerful and relatively desirable because of it. '86 must have been an interesting year at MB... -Curt Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:15:41 -0500 From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310"     To: "Merc

Re: [MBZ] Ebay finds

2010-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Rodbender has been repainted either front or rear. Look at the different shades on the paint. It does look nice though. There was a guy in my Houston neighborhood who had a hot-rodded 560SEC, nice sound on the mufflers, dropped a bit, fat tires. --R Donald Snook wrote: VERY nice 47K mile

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > As for anecdotal evidence, you are right, and your experience is as > meaningless (Or meaningful) as mine. Exactly... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > John F. wrote: "So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 > possible > cracked head..which is more costly?" > > Both are bad. That's why the best MB diesel to buy is the 90-93 300D 2.5.   > Its an awesome car. > EGR

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
The iron heads crack between the valves and from each valve to the prechamber hole. A crack under 10mm in length is permissible. I have seen iron heads with as many as 15 cracks. Even though no crack was beyond 10mm, several were near 10 mm, so I chose to replace the head anyway. As for an

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the 14 head. As near as I can tell none that i had ever had the head off. #14 was the original bad head. #17 and up was improved, so you have lucked out with someone handling the repair before you bought it. John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead <126di

[MBZ] Somebody looking for a S500 with traction control

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
I think I remember someone looking for a S500 with traction control. I found one. It is a 95 Coupe. It only has 96,000 miles. It been serviced only at my Indy since it had 30,000 miles. It is white and is super clean. Someone should buy it, so that I am not tempted. I have to drive past t

[MBZ] Ebay finds

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
VERY nice 47K mile 126 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-Mercedes-420-SEL-Immaculate-One-Owner-LOW-Miles_W0QQitemZ170435252697QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item27aebb91d9 VERY VERY nice Rodbender http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-350-SDL-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ260540231440QQcmdZ

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:53:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Robert Bigham wrote: > Stay away from fuel tank welding; it's too dangerous. See "Repair Mistakes & Blunders" on http://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/index.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
John F. wrote: "So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly?" Both are bad. That's why the best MB diesel to buy is the 90-93 300D 2.5. Its an awesome car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okie

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > (not quite sure the actual mileage since it was paid for by the P.O., > and the work was done at the dealer so pres Presumably correct, that sentence should end. (Hit "send" by accident.) ___ http:/

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Iron heads crack too, especially when abused.  I have replaced far more iron > heads (3 or 4 on Mercedes Diesels) than I have aluminum heads That just goes to show that anecdotal evidence is meaningless. I've NEVER heard

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Freer
#14 was the original bad head. #17 and up was improved, so you have lucked out with someone handling the repair before you bought it. John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s.  The lowest mileage when I bought it was > 175k

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Last year I looked at one with about the same mileage. It had one small rust spot by the rear license plate and a strange noise in the engine that the folks on here was either a bad injector or the IP about to die. The guy was asking $5000, I got him down to $3000, probably could have gotten him

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread SteveB
My 87 300D has the 17 head, with 190,000 on the motor and 390,000 on the chassis. Runs great, average around 25 mpg driving fast, but I have seen 30 mpg driving it at the speed limit. Paid $1050.00 for it 3 years ago but had to repair where it was rear ended prior to my owning it. I had offered $10

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Robbins
On 1/22/2010 1:27 PM, Dieselhead wrote: "terrible" 17 head. The #14 is the bad one #17 is good. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or c

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dieselhead
As of now, I have or had 5 OM603s. The lowest mileage when I bought it was 175k. NONE have had cracked head problems. ALL have had the "terrible" 17 head. As long as the suspect 300D has not been recently overheated, there is a very slim chance something is wrong with the head. In later y

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
So 87 124 diesels have cracked head issues? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 2:16 PM, John Freer wrote: So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I'd rat

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Allan Streib
Tell me more about the cracked head issue. On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:16 -0800, "John Freer" wrote: > So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible > cracked head..which is more costly? > > John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new an

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread John Freer
So, 95 issues are wiring harness and evaporator issues vs. 87 possible cracked head..which is more costly? John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > I'd rather pay more for an 87 124 than a 95 which has potential wiring > harness issues. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
Especially with the turboed (intercooled) OM606's... I think it's 175hp and 243ft-lbs. 0-100kph in about 8s... I don't know how fast it can go. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 22, 2010, at 13:05, Fmiser wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I t

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Rich Thomas
I had a 75 Pontiac that got a pinhole in the bottom of the gas tank. I kept it sealed up for quite some time by occasionally rubbing a bar of soap on it (and old trick apparently, shared with me by an old guy). Finally took it to a shop and they did the solder thing on it, after removing/drai

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I'd rather pay more for an 87 124 than a 95 which has potential wiring harness issues. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:15 PM, "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310" wrote: $5k seems pretty high to me; here in Charleston I wouldn't expect to pay much more than $2k for an

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
No problem. The annular space between the plug body and the head packs with carbon all the way up to the threads. Any irregularities in the gap, be it because the plug and bore are not perfectly concentric or because of "texture" on either surface will cause binding of the carbon "sleeve".

[MBZ] Old Ladies and Vehicular Access

2010-01-22 Thread Jon Kanas
Greetings Benz-o-Philes, Per Donald Snook's observation that his mother has turned into his grandmother My 80+ yr old mom decided that the family should drive to Tucson for Christmas week. She then decided that her 2005 ML350 was too used (63K Mi) to make the trip. She bought a fire e

Re: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
$5k seems pretty high to me; here in Charleston I wouldn't expect to pay much more than $2k for an '87 when a nice '95 124 can be had for $3k. The true price is only found one way - make an offer! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebe

[MBZ] looking at '87 300D

2010-01-22 Thread Allan Streib
Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while. I had some time this morning so I stopped to look at it. It's an '87 300D with (if the odo is correct) about 173K miles. Nobody was around so I noted the phone n

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Fmiser
> Curt Raymond wrote: > I think Marshall said heat and time and that heat was a > function of RPM and load. > IIRC Marshall suggested getting some big friends to ride in > the backseat while you drove up big hills... Hmm. That requires big hills. And friends -- Philip __

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread R A Bennell
My father used to do this sort of thing as well. Not commercially, but I do recall him soldering tanks that leaked. I think the primary concern is getting the area clean enough for the solder to stick properly. My guess is that what you want is the flux - essentially acid - that was used when so

Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

2010-01-22 Thread Robert Bigham
Hello All The safe way to repair a fuel tank is with soft solder and an old-fashioned soldering copper. In this process, there need not be fire anywhere near the tank, there is no spark ever, and the temperature of the tank can be moderated with partial water fillingor sponging with water simi

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Tank Cleaning

2010-01-22 Thread R A Bennell
You know we love photos. I'd like to see them too. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Tank Cleaning Cr

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
John, That picture and your explanations help me understand a great deal more than what I new before - thanks! Which penetrating oil did you use? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Friday, Ja

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I think Marshall said heat and time and that heat was a function of RPM and load. A couple years ago we took my 190D to western MA to a show (Prairie Home Companion) and on some of the big hills I noticed the temp gauge starting to climb which it never did around here. Seemed like the car drove

Re: [MBZ] OT: Toyota and Jeep Comparison

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote: "She doesn't want a minivan? I've ridden in a Pilot, they seem like the ultimate yuppie Home Depot vehicle. As an offroader I suspect they suck, theres all sorts of low hanging bits underneath." She had a minivan before. It was actually a great vehicle for them. But, for some reas

Re: [MBZ] nice 126 gasser in Wichita for sale

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
Ed wrote: "Looks great and timeless. A lot of car for $4700 if it's as good as described." Yea, it looks very nice. I really liked my 300SEL. At least until the head gasket blew up. According to the seller, the head gasket has been done on this car. I wish I had an extra $4000 for a third c

Re: [MBZ] nice 126 gasser in Wichita for sale

2010-01-22 Thread Donald Snook
Rich wrote: "what's with parking it out in a wheat field? (Waiting for the cat to set it on fire)" Well, its Kansas. There are wheat fields everywhere. That's a good point about the wheat field. The Cat would be VERY hot. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.ok

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley
archer wrote: Graphite on the threads solved the problem of VW Beetle spark plugs seizing. I wonder if it would work on glow plugs? I always use nevr-seize on spark plug and glow plug threads. The 24v glow plug problem seems to be elsewhere though. Mitch. _

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
I'd try a copper or nickel based antisieze along the two to three inches of unthreaded body between the seat and the tapered tip... Maybe a picture will help: http://images.esellerpro.com/106/I/187/740/sx29.jpg -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On J

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
The two valve per cylinder engines are in no way comparable to the fours for gp purposes. The fours have two to three inches of length between the end of the threads and the tapered seat. A slight leak in the seat can allow minute amounts of soot to enter the space, which will not ever get

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
ABSOLUTELY!!! -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:19, "LarryT" wrote: With the remains out, does it appear to be a carbon build-up problem that caused it to be so hard to remove? Altho it sounds like your driving style should

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread John Reames
The puller is part of a special (expensive) Mercedes tool set (my local dealers won't use it; they pull the head and send it out to a machine shop). I'll try to take some pics of it and put them up somewhere... Given that the plugs were all tight, I was worried that several would break of

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread archer
Graphite on the threads solved the problem of VW Beetle spark plugs seizing. I wonder if it would work on glow plugs? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D --- On Behalf Of John Reames I am not convinced that proper driving habits have much effect, nor am I convinced tha

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Great input Larry. Why did you use Ferox vice Lubro Moly Diesel Purge? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread LarryT
With the remains out, does it appear to be a carbon build-up problem that caused it to be so hard to remove? Altho it sounds like your driving style should work to keep carbon from forming - assuming you're driving far and fast enough to blow any carbon out. I mentioned it before - and I'm s

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
I don't know that heat would help, but your question leads to another question - are operating glow plugs easier/less likely to break than dead ones? I'm also wondering if removing the injector and applying penetrating oil from the inside would be wise/feasible? I guess I just dread the idea of a

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Clay, Sounds like you found the right shop - how much did they charge? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '95

Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
John, Thanks for that data. Tell me more about this puller - if the day ever comes I'd like to know all my options. Was there any warning before it snapped? When the other five came out, did you think there was risk of those breaking as well? In other words, will I be able to know when I have

Re: [MBZ] Part number for '95 E300 diesel engine wiring harness

2010-01-22 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Thanks Rusty! Now I just need to find the $ and the time... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Part number