Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-08 Thread Brian Toscano
The inter-mountain West is semi-arid or desert. The dirt in your front yard can be sand. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya? The origins of the word Hoya defy simple explanation. Over the years, some have

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, my boy is a Hoya right now, and my niece was a Hoya, and I still ask them, What the hell's a Hoya? --R On 6/6/13 1:56 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I really wanted to keep saying Hoya from the back row repeatedly.

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread WILTON
'Been wondering that, myself. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Well, my boy is a Hoya right now, and my

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2013-06-06 Thread Dieselhead
'Been wondering that, myself. Wilton Loren, where *do* you get this hoya stuff as a synonym for B.S.? Don't have time for the story where I got the word, but as alex surmises it stands for the S part of BS, but is not gender specific, and applies only to large N.A mammals Cattle,

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-06 Thread Gerry Archer
Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya? The origins of the word Hoya defy simple explanation. Over the years, some have claimed it is an Indian word, while those of a legal mind thought it related to the French word oyez, the traditional opening of judicial sessions. Still others held that with

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous cones

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2013-06-05 Thread Max
Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone of an

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
If they do they will burn their mouths.. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Squirrels don't eat pine cones in Michigan? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread clay
that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I don't think fire is always a bad thing. -Curt Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:22:06 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry

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2013-06-05 Thread Mountain Man
Curt wrote: ...coating on the seeds that only gets broken down when heated by fire... I agree that many of the forestry policies in practice now are dumb but I don't think fire is always a bad thing. When my son and I drove our '83 240D home from LA we took US20 all the way home from its

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead
I suspect a lot of that has to do with where here and there are. To get the ground to turn into glass here in New England would require tremendous heat as even when its very dry its still fairly wet. If you were already starting from fairly dry I suspect that you'd require less heat to dry

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Dieselhead
http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module11/FireandJackPine.htm New jack pine seedlings grow well after a hot fire. Fire causes the cone of an older jack pine tree to open up and release seeds. Cones that need heat, such as the heat from fire, in order to open are called serotinous cones

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-05 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I really wanted to keep saying Hoya from the back row repeatedly. I held my tongue, but it is discouraging to hear BSA espousing such BS. Loren, where *do* you get this hoya stuff as a synonym for B.S.? I've never heard

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
forest refresher. -Curt Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:52:47 -0400 From: Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: a310d15b-eee5-4b0c-9948-261a6c277...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

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2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: There are even plants (mostly trees I think) that REQUIRE fire before their seeds will open. Jack Pine is Michigan's example. Since Kirkland's Warbler pretty much exclusively nests in Jack Pine forests, the foolish attempts to prevent regular forest fires (so we get much

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Craig
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The sterilized ground left behind won't support much life at all for years Now Max that part just isn't true at all. The ground isn't sterilized and life comes back almost immediately. There are even plants

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
On Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:08 PM Curt Raymond wrote ... Fire is natures forest refresher. --- In a prior life I had some responsibility for the test range at Eglin AFB in the FL panhandle. We accidently started a lot of fires there with various munitions

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
like one management schema always makes the most sense. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:11 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: 20130604112211.e7ec073d49af7c0c1f44b...@pisquared.net Content

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread clay
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: a310d15b-eee5-4b0c-9948-261a6c277...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 'Tis a real crime how the enviro-nazis have successfully halted management of our federal forests, so

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2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
I seem to recall a particular place in NM where the soil fit this description. They called it Trinity Site. The top surface of the soil is glazed like glass and repels water. All of the vegetative material, even that below the soil, is destroyed. We have had those kinds of fires near

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Max
makes the most sense. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:11 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: 20130604112211.e7ec073d49af7c0c1f44b...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ... Message-ID: 20130604112211.e7ec073d49af7c0c1f44b...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The sterilized ground left behind won't support much life at all

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Max
Squirrels! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Fire DOES release seeds. Ever hear of jack pine? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

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2013-06-03 Thread Max
'Tis a real crime how the enviro-nazis have successfully halted management of our federal forests, so now millions of acres burn every year. The resulting forest fires not only destroy the trees so beloved by the tree-huggers, all the animals are either killed or displaced. The sterilized

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dumps tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but don't worry only the evil CO2 from burning fossil fuels causes global warming... You're as cynical as I am. Rick Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Gerry Archer
Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 is causing global warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling stuff with global warming CO2 we could strike a balance and everyone would be

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Max
I also listen to too much talk radio! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Dumps tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but don't worry only the evil CO2

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-03 Thread Craig
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:51:58 -0400 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 is causing global warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling

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2013-06-03 Thread Dieselhead
Back in the '70s or '80s, I think it was, we were told that something we were doing would cause global cooling. Recently we're told that CO2 is causing global warming. Seems like if we combined the global cooling stuff with global warming CO2 we could strike a balance and everyone would be

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Craig, where are you in NM? Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa Fe, and another to the west of us in the Jemez mountains. Smoke in the sky

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Dan Penoff
He lives on The Hill - Los Alamos. At night you can see the glow from Santa Fe. grin Dan On Jun 2, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Darren Marshall wrote: Craig, where are you in NM? Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:28:59 -0500 Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote: Craig, where are you in NM? Los Alamos Craig On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa Fe, and another to the west

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2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Awesome, Craig. Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales, until I was about 12, moved from Fairbanks, AK when my dad was transferred to Kirkland AFB. Love the Balloon Fiesta, parents were a part of a chase crew we'd drive all over the state in a 50s Chevy pickup, to refuel them on

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-02 Thread Craig
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:53:25 -0500 Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome, Craig. Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales, until I was about 12, moved from Fairbanks, AK when my dad was transferred to Kirkland AFB. Love the Balloon Fiesta, parents were a part

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2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote: Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales... My son lives in ABQ - he is chief pilot (lear35) there. We should drive either your '78 or my '84 240D out there for a visit. He likes Cafe Bella - they pull shots with Fat Boy Roastery coffee. mao

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2013-06-02 Thread Darren Marshall
Once I get it cruisin that sounds like a great idea. Where are you loc? Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 2, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Darren wrote: Used to live in NM as a kid; Rio Rancho and Corrales... My son lives in ABQ - he

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2013-06-02 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote: Once I get it cruisin that sounds like a great idea. Where are you loc? Elgin. Bow Truss needs a storefront out here. Ain't nuthin' out here to talk about. Bow Truss have good review from a year ago at home-barista, but nothing lately. mao

[MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-01 Thread Craig
Fire season has started. There is a fire east of us, north of Santa Fe, and another to the west of us in the Jemez mountains. Smoke in the sky today. The (closer) one to the west of us is listed at http://nmfireinfo.com/2013/05/31/crews-battle-thompson-fire-north-of-jemez-springs/ The update