Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

yeah the day before. Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Did you ask when the tank was filled in relation to the problem appearing? Gasoline would explain the symptoms. MG via Mercedes February 6, 2017 at 4:56 PM That's why I was wondering if just the injection

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

Did you ask when the tank was filled in relation to the problem appearing? Gasoline would explain the symptoms. MG via Mercedes February 6, 2017 at 4:56 PM That's why I was wondering if just the injection pump can jump and still have the cam in the original

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power Yeah, sudden loss of power and bad running just after a fillup? _All_ of BP's handles are green, my wife put ga

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

I'll tell them to give that a try. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: An Oil Analysis would also tell a great deal ;-). Got to do it before the oil gets changed though. LarryT youroil.net Proving oil analysis service to the world! On 02/03/2017 5:42 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: That was one

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

That's why I was wondering if just the injection pump can jump and still have the cam in the original timing. cause the compression is good. The timing device breaking is something I will tell them to check, Though that will require the removal of the front cover. I think. Maybe just do a drip

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

My '95 sedan needed a new timing gear, the face was chewed up by a failed vacuum pump. On Feb 4, 2017 7:00 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: SORRY No, I thought I remembered you had to replace the timing advance when you got the whale. Maybe you just threatened to

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>; MG <trainpain2...@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power > > Yeah, sudden loss of power and bad running just after a fillup? _All_ of BP's > handles are green, my wife put gasoline in the 300D because of that once. > Was Terri

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SORRY No, I thought I remembered you had to replace the timing advance when you got the whale. Maybe you just threatened to replace it? Meade Dillon via Mercedes February 4, 2017 at 11:53 AM Trying to start a vicious rumor? Broken timing device has been

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

Trying to start a vicious rumor? Broken timing device has been postulated as afflicting The White Whale, but not yet confirmed. I'm still working my way from cheap / easy fixes to complex / expensive. Next test will be replacing the fuel filters and reversing the supply / return lines in the

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

Yep it's usually 240d's that do it for some reason. Maybe because they are always running at max rpm just to get up and go. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:29 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > My 240D did that. Ran fine in the morning but wouldn't

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

+1 I didn't think about that possibility, but yes, if fuel was added recently, that is a good possibility. In the one experience i had, the car ran ok until the filter and IP chamber were filled with the new fuel mix. In that case I know of, it was about 6 miles before it started to run

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

An Oil Analysis would also tell a great deal ;-). Got to do it before the oil gets changed though. LarryT youroil.net Proving oil analysis service to the world! On 02/03/2017 5:42 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: That was one of the things that I was wondering. I told him to take the strainer

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

My 240D did that. Ran fine in the morning but wouldn't start in the afternoon. 0 comprerssion on #'s 3&4. LarryT On 02/03/2017 5:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Well I have seen and heard of several that suddely lost compression and stopped running. On 2/3/2017 12:58 PM, MG

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

IMO that's carbon build up. Our '91 did that until I bought some "Mechanic in a Can" that would loosen and dissolve the carbon. That and 6 months of driving to/from work at 60 mph for 1 hr each way. It never did it again. Seems like it would lose power and blow white smoke when the temp was

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

If the timing advance device broke, perhaps... Max had an experience with that. Don't know what the symptoms were. IF the timing chain skips a tooth onthe cam, I think the camshaft and the bearings break. Certainly if it is off 2 or more teeth, the camshaft will become several. MG via

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

Yeah, sudden loss of power and bad running just after a fillup? _All_ of BP's handles are green, my wife put gasoline in the 300D because of that once. Was Terribly Mysterious until it was recognized. Just sniff the fuel filler neck with a clean nose. Siphon out a lot, and replace with diesel.

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That was one of the things that I was wondering. I told him to take the strainer in the bottom of the tank loose and drain some fuel into a clean pan and see if there is any water in there. Haven't heard back from him yet. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Bad fuel? How long before this

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On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 16:18:23 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > Well I have seen and heard of several that suddely lost > compression and stopped running. That happened with our '72 220D/8 as I was driving from Calhan, Colorado, to Colorado Springs. I had

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Well I have seen and heard of several that suddely lost compression and stopped running. On 2/3/2017 12:58 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: He said he did and that it was OK. I forgot to ask what it was and if the OK was for a gas or diesel engine. A little bit of a difference there. Kaleb C.

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om: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> > Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power > > I would think that

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

nnell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power I would think that would have been pretty obvious. Oil everywhere followed by the engine seizing. RB On 03/02/2017 1:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Wild guess - could he have lo

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Bad fuel? How long before this happened did he last fill up? RB On 03/02/2017 11:26 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote: A friend has an 82 300D which suddenly lost power while going down the road at 55-60. Blew white smoke and died. Supposedly no odd noises. Won't start lots of white smoke coming out

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Figured it was worth a try - need to rule out everything that might cause this to happen. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I would think that would have been pretty obvious. > Oil everywhere followed by the engine seizing. > > RB > > On

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I would think that would have been pretty obvious. Oil everywhere followed by the engine seizing. RB On 03/02/2017 1:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Wild guess - could he have lost all his engine oil when the engine collapsed on the oil cooler lines? On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power

Wild guess - could he have lost all his engine oil when the engine collapsed on the oil cooler lines? On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > He said he did and that it was OK. I forgot to ask what it was and if the > OK was for a gas or diesel engine. A

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He said he did and that it was OK. I forgot to ask what it was and if the OK was for a gas or diesel engine. A little bit of a difference there. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Gee I must be losing my mind, I thought I saw 240d. Yes compression would be way low. Maybe he really

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That was my thought but then why doesn't it start when cold? Manfred Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Wouldn't white smoke indicate coolant leaking into the exhaust? Head gasket or a crack in the head that is leaking into the cylinders? I assume he checked compression later after it was towed

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and ensure the cam turns? -Curt From: MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power 300D not 240. That would affect the compression

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z.com> Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power Unburnt diesel looks white or grey. Note how he noted that it smells like diesel. Coolant would smell sweet and you probably wouldn't get much of a cloud of it on cranking... -Curt   From: Randy Be

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Gee I must be losing my mind, I thought I saw 240d. Yes compression would be way low. Maybe he really didn't check compression? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:39 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > > 300D not 240. > That would affect the compression if the head

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;mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power Wouldn't white smoke indicate coolant leaking into the exhaust? Head gasket or a crack in the head that is leaking into the cylinders? I assume he checked

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Wouldn't white smoke indicate coolant leaking into the exhaust? Head gasket or a crack in the head that is leaking into the cylinders? I assume he checked compression later after it was towed home and cooled off. Maybe the leakage only occurs when it is hot? RB On 03/02/2017 11:26 AM, MG via

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ebenz.com> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power 300D not 240. That would affect the compression if the head gasket was blown bad enough to stop the car in mid race wouldn't it. Manfred Kaleb C. Striplin via Me

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300D not 240. That would affect the compression if the head gasket was blown bad enough to stop the car in mid race wouldn't it. Manfred Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha, sorry, 240d, lost power, sounded funny. Anyway, sounds like a blown head gasket to me Sent

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Hahahahahahahahaha, sorry, 240d, lost power, sounded funny. Anyway, sounds like a blown head gasket to me Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > > A friend has an 82 300D which suddenly lost power while going down the road > at

[MBZ] Loss of power

A friend has an 82 300D which suddenly lost power while going down the road at 55-60. Blew white smoke and died. Supposedly no odd noises. Won't start lots of white smoke coming out the tailpipe that smells like unburned diesel. He did a compression check and says it's OK. I forgot to ask what

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

Manual tranny. Brian On 7/10/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:23:59 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power.

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

10, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant engine revving).

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, does that make it better? It sure clears up the smoke on my 190D and makes it start easier. I should get around to fixing that one of these days... -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:53:06 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

Diesel Kleen to prefill the fuel filter when I change it. It smells alot like diesel purge and seems to work similarly. -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:53:24 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Loss of power,shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny) Hmm. Yes, the valves were adjusted about 8 or 9 thousand

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Actually we have driven that car on two long trips: one from AZ to Minnesota (with two people and luggage) and from Minnesota to WA (with one person, one 80lb. dog, and much cargo). Both trips required much pedal-to-floor time to make it. I remembered this after I posted. So I would think that

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

Zoltan Finks wrote: This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch slippage was a more smooth loss of power and resultant

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

LarryT wrote: Howdy - You wrote every once in a while when I start it, and these conditions are present, it smokes quite noticeably. Then the smoke stops after 10 or 20 seconds. If I throttle it at this time, it just makes more smoke. Much more likely to be injectors out of calibration

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

Marshall Booth wrote: The engine being cold exaggerates ANY aspect of the system that isn't operating properly. If the injector spray pattern or pressure isn't within the tolerable range, both power and idle smoothness will be degraded. This may not be evident when the engine is warmed

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

Valves were adjusted (I'm trusing the word of the indy who installed the engine) about 8 or 9 k mi. ago. He said he adjusts valves as part of an engine install. Seems reasonable. Brian 83 240D On 7/11/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: The engine being cold

Re: [MBZ] Loss of power, shuddering upon cold takeoff (manual tranny)

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:23:59 -0700 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be an easy one: When the 240D is not warmed up yet, and I try to take off on a hill, I get this shuddering and it loses power. I am thinking it feels like the clutch is slipping (but I thought clutch