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> > On Jun 26, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> > wrote:
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> > Anyone here have experience raising chickens for meat?
> >
> > Wondering how much work it is on a daily basis. What is the total cost
> > per bird from acquisition to dinner plate?
> >
> > Allan
To me rabbits taste like chicken, maybe halfway between light and dark meat.
I've butchered hundreds of the things. Relatively few chickens, in comparison.
Also ducks, geese, and turkeys. Peeling the pelt off of a rabbit is much easier
than dealing with the feathers: scald, pluck, singe. Or, go
My neighbor did eggs for awhile on a sizable scale and had a closed in wagon
kind of thing he would move around. It had boxes for the chickens to roost in.
Had to keep it tight to keep out all manner of vermin, slithering, flying,
4-legged. Seems like everything likes chickens and eggs.
He
More miles out of the eggs than the meat. Daily donation of protein. Middle
Ages poor only ate chicken when the things were worn out. Rich ate hens since
they were 1% and eggs were low class. Like being special and able to buy
organic/gluten free/virtue food now.
clay
I have no pronouns
Agreed, but economics (and time) is always part of the equation at some
point. That's different for different people, of course.
Allan
OK Don via Mercedes writes:
> It would be like a lot of things us DIY'ers do - a labor of love, bragging
> rights for growing your own meat under conditions
Absolutely. I just walk out to the deep freezer and decide what I want to thaw
out over the next 30-45 days.
-D
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> When a global pandemic comes along and all your neighbors are wondering how
> long the meat supply at the
When a global pandemic comes along and all your neighbors are wondering how
long the meat supply at the grocery will last you walk out to the chicken shed
and say "Number 14, its your day!"
The numbering is kind of important, don't name freezer pets...
-Curt
On Friday, June 26, 2020,
Well, as Clay outlined, to make it really viable you would have to go all in
with quite a bit of stuff, both supplies and birds. Either that or buy a
package of boneless, skinless chicken breasts at the store and call it a day.
-D
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>
It would be like a lot of things us DIY'ers do - a labor of love, bragging
rights for growing your own meat under conditions that you control, etc. In
this case, the economics don't enter the equation. I think the same applies
to our gardens - we spend more money, but get higher quality, and we
Not to mention that they would also fertilize the grass for the next pass -
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> If you had a bunch of space you could build a chicken coop on wheels
> (remember it can only have 2 doors) so you could
Thanks. "Too much work and expense for small timers" is pretty much what
I figured but I was curious.
Allan
Clay via Mercedes writes:
> I considered it, for a few moments. Far too much work and expense for small
> timers. Most chickens do not have enough meat to be worthwhile. It takes
>
I wonder if its a regional variation but I think your numbers are maybe on the
low side, or perhaps they're taking wintertime averaging into account. When I
was a kid we had as many as 25 birds at a time. Got pretty much an egg per bird
per day. You end up just absolutely swamped in eggs. My
Adequate layers produce half a dozen eggs each week. Depending upon breed and
how well you keep them safe/happy, egg production ranges from 120 to 300 eggs a
year.
clay
I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
I considered it, for a few moments. Far too much work and expense for small
timers. Most chickens do not have enough meat to be worthwhile. It takes
around 15-18 weeks for them to grow large enough for adequate meat. Got to
process them before puberty to reduce hormones flavoring the flesh.
Good point. Hadn’t thought of that, as the big thing around here is farm fresh
eggs. A lot of people doing for themselves and selling the remainder to offset
their costs.
-D
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
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> Different breeds of chickens for meat vs. Eggs.
> Here in RI we
Different breeds of chickens for meat vs. Eggs.
Here in RI we have statue to honor Rhode Island Red chickens.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 3:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:
> We know people who raise them for eggs, not meat. I’m not sure it’s really
> worthwhile to
We know people who raise them for eggs, not meat. I’m not sure it’s really
worthwhile to raise for meat, I don’t know anyone who does.
Kaleb has some experience with free range Mercedes, however, it doesn’t appear
to be a positive cash flow sort of undertaking, however.
-D
> On Jun 26,
Anyone here have experience raising chickens for meat?
Wondering how much work it is on a daily basis. What is the total cost
per bird from acquisition to dinner plate?
Allan
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There is something that sounds very satisfying about that arrangement.
Though I'm sure it's not without its work and trouble. Then again neither is
owning an old car.
Brian
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chickens have multiple benefits, and there is a
I was gonna mention the dog angle.
I know that some dogs are chicken killers. I suspect my Dobie might be one.
In fact I worry that he might be a cat killer. NO, this is not because he
has ever killed a cat. It's because I've read in William Koehler's (spelling
of name? too lazy to go look it up)
Thanks, Clay for the info!
Also a little tidbit that I hear recently from someone who lives here on the
Island: She said that there was a tall evergreen tree that fell over. An
eagle's nest was found along with numerous cat collars. We do always have an
abundance of missing cat posters up around
BTW the late Mr. Koehler's solution to a chicken-killing dog is to tie
a
dead chicken around its neck and leave it there for a few weeks or so.
Boy
would that never fly today (again with another unintended pun).
We did that once. As I recall it didn't really work. Get rid
of the dog, or
Now Jim, that is a fine example of the welfare state effect on
citizens. All cooped up and no need to think, they just go on
looking for the hand out, dropping dead once things change.
Actually Wilcox is a great operation and nothing like the tyson or
purdue farms. I understand there are
I have found that if the dog will kill a child, it would kill a
chicken, so you acclimate them much the same way. Have the dog
exposed to the chickens as they grow and it may decide that they are
part of his pack as well as chickens figuring the dog is a really
ugly rooster. If the dog
We have a number of breeding pairs of eagle near me. I applaud the
occasional missing cat or yap dog. Not so happy with the huge eagle
dropping on the roof of the car.
A chicken will need the same care one of the small pets would, but
are smarter about looking out for danger than dogs or
Gosh, I hope that a chicken killer or a cat killer would not automatically
be a child killer.
And I'm glad you mentioned breeding rather than training. I hear too much of
the assertion that a dog is what you make him.
Another thing to consider along with a dog's breeding are the individual
Our dog, half Briard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briard), killed two
ducks before he learned not to do that. I rubbed his nose in the dead
duck and swatted him a few times. He didn't like negative attention,
and never killed another duck. he did try to herd (or chase - I'm not
sure which) the
We can have pigs and goats in town. Seattle is such a weird place
clay
On 23 Feb 2008, at 12:48, E M wrote:
Lucky guy, wish I lived in a place that allowed a few such animals.
Ed
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On 23/02/2008, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sorry for late reply
I keep chickens. Small city
I always liked the idea of a small gentleman's farm. Just a couple of
each. Have a nice modern barn, set up with the same attention to detail we
give our garages. Proper stalls and pens, area to wash the animals, similar
to some of the nice horse stables. I have no desire to eat any of them, I
Brian,
head for the closest feed store and ask when the peeps arrive. They
should be about ready to show up any day.
For peeps (the little yellow fur balls fresh out of an egg) you need
a safe warm place for them to grow large enough to toss outside.
Takes seven or eight weeks. I
Store eggs, even farmers market egg will be cheaper. With free
ranging chickens, the cost to feed is lower, and they eat (LOVE)
table scraps. Some vegan weenies do not properly feed the hens and
this could lead to issues. They need lots of protein, calcium, oats,
and grains to be
Commercial hen huts are NASTY
The little buggers are de-beaked, crammed in really tight quarters
until they are ready to lay, pumped full of drugs, then forced to
live in a tiny cage only large enough to stand and poop in. Lights
are on 24/7 so they will lay all year round. Most layers at
Store chickens are not happy chickens. They are more like crack
whore chickens forced to pop out eggs under duress.
The feed cost for a large farm raised operation comes to around $0.20
for dozen eggs. If you have 100 chickens, you are going to be
getting 80-90 eggs a day. After 7 days,
Fuel costs. Keeping the lights on, the factory heated and moving all
that egg gets really expensive. Did you notice how expensive it was
to run X-mas lights this year?
clay
On 25 Feb 2008, at 11:46, Zoltan Finks wrote:
Now is that true of eggs at $.69 like they have been for so many
That is true, hard to have a holiday away from home unless you have
somebody come and make sure the food is out, fresh water is there and
all the eggs are collected.
Chicken poop is great for adding to the compost heap. I had to quit
that because the yard is too small to handle all the
I always come back to the cost to keep the pet. No licensing
nonsense every year, or shots. Costs $3 to get the peep, about $30
for 6 months of bagged feed for four chickens.
Compare that to a dog or cat! Canned food costs a bunch, kitty
litter, kibble, toys, furniture repair, stains on
I find this all pretty interesting, and a real education for a city boy.
Think I'm going to see if I can find a local farmers market in town.
Ed
300E
On 27/02/2008, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Store chickens are not happy chickens. They are more like crack
whore chickens forced to pop
Store chickens are not happy chickens. They are more like crack
whore chickens forced to pop out eggs under duress.
My father-in-law was general manager (now retired) at Wilcox
Farms, a family-owned crack-hen-whore outfit that supplies
milk and eggs to Costco here in WA. I've been on the
.
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Store chickens are not happy chickens. They are more like crack
whore
Chickens have multiple benefits, and there is a veritable explosion in
home urban chicken raising for this reason. There is a reason why
chicken feed is a slang expression for cheap. And chicken feed may not
be needed for much of the year. Here in New Mexico, we get hordes of
grasshoppers that can
I was driving in the countryside of NC last week, and there were 2
roosters up ahead of me, one on either side of the road, appeared to be
squaring off on each other.. I was thinking, just about the time I get
there one of them is going to decide to cross the road (and I asked
Why?),
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I was driving in the countryside of NC last week, and there were 2
roosters up ahead of me, one on either side of the road, appeared to be
squaring off on each other.. I
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I like chickens, they taste good.
They are also incredibly stupid - from first hand observation - inlaws
used
We kept Easter Ducks for years when the kids were little. The flock
got up to 8 at one time, but was usually was 4. We'd let a few sit on
nests, so ended up with four or five generations. You had to let the
eggs age a week or two before they worked well for baking, and no one
liked the taste
Only recently I've had a very mild interest in the thought of keeping
chickens. So you are allowed to do it in the middle of the city? Then we
could probably get away with it on our 1.3 acres. We are only 2 miles from
downtown but it's a pretty rural area.
I'm surprised to hear of the social
So chickens lay eggs on their own without being mated by a male?
Yes. If fed well and happy, and if they're good stock,
they'll lay. An egg a day at best. You'll have to find
them if they're running loose. If penned it'll be easier.
But they don't always lay, and for a whole lot of reasons.
Jim Cathey wrote:
It'll be cheaper to buy eggs than to buy commercial chicken
feed, which is nutritionally balanced for layers.
There was an article in Mother Earth News recently which found that free range
or pastured hens (lots of protein in those bugs, and chickens provide free bug
and grub
I don't get it. How is $.19/dozen more expensive than buying eggs from the
store? Local egg prices generally start at $2.00/dozen and head on up
toward $5, depending on whether the hens are given their shiatsu massages
daily or weekly.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL
Now is that true of eggs at $.69 like they have been for so many years? Or
is that true of eggs at $3.29 - $4.00 like the are now?
And what in the world has happened to cause eggs to jump 4 - 5 times in
price recently?
Brian
Jim wrote:It'll be cheaper to buy eggs than to buy commercial chicken
Free-roaming ducks we had on the farm 65-70 years ago produced VERY rich
eggs. I gathered them for Mama to make cakes and pies.
BTW, 'had to be very careful walking in the yard, too, especially
barefooted.
Wilton
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It'll be cheaper to buy eggs than to buy commercial chicken
feed, which is nutritionally balanced for layers.
There was an article in Mother Earth News recently which found that
free range
or pastured hens (lots of protein in those bugs, and chickens provide
free bug
and grub control)
sorry for late reply
I keep chickens. Small city yard and this is about all that fits.
Great for allergy prone kids too.
They feel. both pain and emotion. Chickens are very loving birds
when given love from the start. They can become feral and lose that
loving feeling, but I raise
Lucky guy, wish I lived in a place that allowed a few such animals.
Ed
300E
On 23/02/2008, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sorry for late reply
I keep chickens. Small city yard and this is about all that fits.
Great for allergy prone kids too.
They feel. both pain and emotion.
Actually, I think that the more attributes a creature shares with
humans
visually, the more sympathy we have for it.
It's not all that complicated. The creatures that please us
we try not to eat so much.
Bad, bad Dog! Curry time!
-- Jim
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This is more informative than you know.
No, I haven't interacted with a chicken. And I suppose my gauge of whether I
care about an animal's plight is how capable it is of suffering (at least as
we know it).
So if the chicken is a pretty mindless grunt creature then I feel less
sympathy toward
Not sure about feelings but they certainly feel pain.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is more informative than you know.
No, I haven't interacted with a chicken. And I suppose my gauge of whether
I
care about an animal's plight is how capable it is
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Squashing the mosquito that is drilling into the back of your neck is called
self defense.
Mosquito leaves me along, I leave him/her alone.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So it's hypocritical for people to express
Allan Streib wrote:
DDT works really well, we were on the verge of wiping out malaria
until some folks decided that chickens (or some kind of bird) were
more important than people.
Hasn't the effectiveness of DDT decreased over the years? I don't think
its banned everywhere, and I seem to
Squashing the mosquito that is drilling into the back of your neck is called
self defense.
Mosquito leaves me along, I leave him/her alone.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So it's hypocritical for people to express sympathy for slaughtered
chickens
but
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On the other hand, I think that mosquitos should generally be
dispatched in whatever manner works as we often have way too many of
them and they fail to treat me with the level of respect that I
normally consider is acceptable.
DDT works really well, we
Streib
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R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On the other hand, I think that mosquitos should generally be
dispatched in whatever manner works as we often have way too many of
them
lot worse
for most people that the effects of
DDT ever might be.
Randy
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R A Bennell [EMAIL
On the news last night:
Somebody abandoned 60-70 chickens in a public school building after hours.
Left them food and water and free range in the hallways. School had to
be closed the day they found the chickens (and the accompanying mess).
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another example
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another example of the government creating more pain?
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another example of the government creating more pain?
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On the news last night:
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On the other hand, I think that mosquitos should generally
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2008 5:51 PMSubject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens there's recent evidence DDT had
nothing to do with the birds
I know that this is correct about DDT...(whatever my opinion is worth) In
fact, in Africa there's a campaign to bring it back!
The WHO has changed its stance on DDT. I think even Bill Gates' Foundation
is trying to re-instate the use of it. (wait a minute, did I just kill my
argument?)
Jeff
You'd be dead meat ... er, dead Boca ... if you'd said that on the Linux
list.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The WHO has changed its stance on DDT. I think even Bill Gates' Foundation
is trying to re-instate the use of it. (wait a minute, did I just
So self defense seems a reasonable point at which to draw one's line.
How about bed bugs? I'd like to hear a PETA member give their position on
destroying one of them. Oh, that's right, we, the human animal, have invaded
their habitat.
Just things I wonder about.
What about chiggers?
The only
Have you ever interacted with a chicken? We raised them when I was a kid.
2 watt brains...
They really don't care. You don't ruffle a chicken's dignity, it hasn't got
any. We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for
dinner. They loved it.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008
We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for
dinner. They loved it.
They won't even wait for them to be cooked. See what happens
when you get an injured chicken in a flock.
-- Jim
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We used to feed chickens the carcasses or roast chicken we'd had for
dinner. They loved it.
They won't even wait for them to be cooked. See what happens
when you get an injured chicken in a flock.
That's why
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