Randy, you're sounding very "American." Welcome aboard. ;<)
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Randy Bennell"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
On 05/05/2013 7:
On 05/05/2013 7:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
It's called a "value added tax", or VAT. Common in the EU and other
places.
Dan
NO! A VAT is insidious. VAT is added every time a raw material, part
or component is handled. A flat tax on income is direct and
understandable. A tax on retail sales
May 05, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
IMO the progressive tax code should be illegal. Just because someone
is wealthy is no reason to tax them at a higher rate. Actually the tax
codes as "sold" to the public just before 1916 w
Tax laws are made by Congress. Some point to consider are that flat tax
rates such as sales taxes are regressive and hurt the poor. Taxes that
make everyone pay the same overall "percentage of income" are preferred but
tricky.
For example, the per gallon gas tax is the same for someone living on
You project an admiration for the Saudi approach to "justice". Does this
tempt you to to move to Riyadh? Perhaps you could consult and perusade
them to sever/display noses or other parts of the human anatomy in a never
ending quest to deter crime...
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry T wrote
I actually saw hands hanging in the town square when I worked in Saudi
Arabia. They evidently believed in advertising their punishments. A
gruesome and often effective persuasion method. Of course, the fact
that there were multiple hands shows not everyone was as impressed as I
was ...;-)
Ah, yes. Are you proposing that we impose s_ law???
However, "we" voted those theives into office --- who's to blame???
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
Time to cut off their hands (or is it noses in Larry's example?) There is
historical precedent
Ah, yes. Are you proposing that we impose Shariah law???
However, "we" voted those theives into office --- who's to blame???
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Time to cut off their hands (or is it noses in Larry's example?) There is
> historical preceden
a BIG part I suspect! the only thing worse than the USA's 60,000
page (or whatever) tax code is europe's VAT! Value Added my butt!
the only perceived value is the govt's taking the peasants money!
and its all in favor of the govt. -- dieselhead described it
perfectly!
the govt is salivatin
a BIG part I suspect! the only thing worse than the USA's 60,000 page
(or whatever) tax code is europe's VAT! Value Added my butt! the only
perceived value is the govt's taking the peasants money! and its all in
favor of the govt. -- dieselhead described it perfectly!
the govt is salivatin
It's called a GST here, which stands for Grab Take Snatch.
It's not the only reason why parts are more expensive here, the reason
is volume, shipping costs and competition.
Hendrik
who is a collector of GST and needs to do his 1/4ly BAS
On 06/05/13 09:45, Dieselhead wrote:
It's called a "value
It's called a "value added tax", or VAT. Common in the EU and other places.
Dan
NO! A VAT is insidious. VAT is added every time a raw material,
part or component is handled. A flat tax on income is direct and
understandable. A tax on retail sales is also direct and
understandable.
VAT
The tax situation in this country (and others too I am sure) is so
muddled as to be completely impossible to decipher.
LarryT
THAT IS NO ACCIDENT. IT IS BY INTENT.
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It's called a "value added tax", or VAT. Common in the EU and other places.
Dan
On May 5, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Larry T wrote:
> Yep. I'm all for a national sales tax but only *_IF _*the 16th amendment is
> repealed. If not, sure as i love my MB, we'd soon be taxed both with a sales
> and income
Yep. I'm all for a national sales tax but only *_IF _*the 16th amendment
is repealed. If not, sure as i love my MB, we'd soon be taxed both with
a sales and income tax. I can hear it now, "We need to do it for the
children." or just as likely "We need to pass this bill to find out
what's i
On Sun, 05 May 2013 18:12:02 -0400 Larry T wrote:
> Just because the wealthy have more money doesn't mean they should spend
> more on the government and all the stupid things they like to spend our
> taxes on.
With the same tax rate for all, the wealthy WILL spend more money on the
government,
IMO the progressive tax code should be illegal. Just because someone
is wealthy is no reason to tax them at a higher rate. Actually the tax
codes as "sold" to the public just before 1916 was said to only apply
to the very wealthy. You can see how long that lasted. It's always
easier to
Yep.
Wilton
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From: "Scott Ritchey"
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
"... but they gave me a strong sense of integrity, determination,
persever
Of WILTON
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:15 PM
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Yes, we called 'em slides, too; 'had burlap from fertilizer bags on both
side and ends. During winter, my dad and brothers would cut the wood for
heating the curing bar
dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
No. That sounds like communism.
It sounds like the lie used to sell Communism to the masses.
The more power government has, the more it will be used by those wielding the
power to enrich those wielding the power.
Mitch.
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No. Those of us outside the beltway and who have been taught critical thinking
call that "incom
No. That sounds like communism.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 3, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
> progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to
> pay these fines, as a means of shouldering
Good for you!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 3, 2013, at 2:37 PM, G Mann wrote:
> We the People in Arizona forced the speed cameras to be removed. Rampant
> fraud was part of the reason. The other part was the loss of Constitutional
> Right to face our accuser.
>
> Vote early Vote often.. it can w
ermination, perseverance,
persistence, and tenacity
Wilton
- Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey"
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
>
> In Vance Co., NC, those "to
.
Wilton
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From: "WILTON"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Yes, we called 'em slides, too; 'had burlap from fertilizer bags on both
side and ends. During w
mily. We never had much money or material
things, but they gave me a strong sense of integrity, determination,
perseverance, persistence, and tenacity
Wilton
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From: "Scott Ritchey"
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Sent: Friday, May 0
I am not sure about how best to deal with the poverty stricken and cost of life.
#1 boy was planning on using the E300 to get to his job. At the time of offer,
it was for graveyard shift unloading either trailer (Target) or airplane
(Fedex). He would be able to return home with the car so that
9:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
Relative measure of wealth reminds me: When I was a boy on tobacco farms in
Nash County, NC, my measure of a "rich" farmer was his tobacco trucks - the
little mule-drawn trucks that hauled the tobacco leaves fro
y-built trucks.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Ritchey"
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue
What is the basis of the implied assumption that the rich (generally
What is the basis of the implied assumption that the rich (generally
understood to mean anyone with more than me) should not have the same
Constitutional protections as the poor?
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
>progressive tax code
No. Those of us outside the beltway and who have been taught critical thinking
call that "income redistribution" aka stealing. Done in the name of government
doesn't change the morality of it.
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
>prog
Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt.
Interstate speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least
70-85. Imagine the revenue they could generate.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
Its IL. THey money would never make it to the state co
Sadly, it is not all that common here either.
Randy
On 03/05/2013 2:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Ah, the voice of reason. Plentiful north of the border but in woefully
short supply in the USA at the moment...
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
It is not a hidden tax a
Speed trap: I-81 Wytheville, VA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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We are working on it in Florida. There is a guy over in St. Pete who has done a
fantastic job refuting all the government claims about their "advantages", yet
they still voted them in against the wishes of their constituents.
A local DA has received something like 4-5 red light camera tickets an
Ah, the voice of reason. Plentiful north of the border but in woefully
short supply in the USA at the moment...
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> It is not a hidden tax as we all know we can be caught if we drive faster
> than the posted limits.
>
> It is not a certain tax.
Those who can least afford to pay fines, should be among the most
careful drivers in order to avoid having to pay the fines.
Randy
On 03/05/2013 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
progressive tax code, rather than burdening th
It is not a hidden tax as we all know we can be caught if we drive
faster than the posted limits.
It is not a certain tax. Most of the time we get away with it.
Sometimes we get caught and have to pay up.
Randy
On 03/05/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Sorry! I meant to say that spee
Maybe there is a need to change? Maybe the old laws have outlived their
relevance or usefulness. Maybe there is a new problem that needs to be
addressed. Lots of reasons.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
> Why not enforce the laws that are already on the books instead of wasti
Why not enforce the laws that are already on the books instead of
wasting time making new ones?
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
On 5/3/2013 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
progressive tax code
We the People in Arizona forced the speed cameras to be removed. Rampant
fraud was part of the reason. The other part was the loss of Constitutional
Right to face our accuser.
Vote early Vote often.. it can work.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Benz Hogs wrote:
> Enforcing speeding laws would
Wouldn't it be way fairer to soak the rich through application of a
progressive tax code, rather than burdening those who can least afford to
pay these fines, as a means of shouldering the cost of governing.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Benz Hogs wrote:
> Enforcing speeding laws would be IL
Enforcing speeding laws would be IL's ticket out of debt. Interstate
speed limits are 55mph while everyone goes at least 70-85. Imagine the
revenue they could generate.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (164,xxx mi)
On 5/3/2013 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Sorry!
Sorry! I meant to say that speeders claim that the speed traps are merely
a guise to raise revenues from oppressed citizens, and as such are a
"hidden tax".
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 03/05/20
Ok, I give up. I don't understand that response at all.
Randy
On 03/05/2013 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
Just think of it as a speed tax.
If you want to go fast, you
I hate it when criminals try to blame everything on high taxes.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> Just think of it as a speed tax.
> If you want to go fast, you have to pay.
> That was standard terminology at the old speed shops.
> How much $ depended on how fast you wanted
Just think of it as a speed tax.
If you want to go fast, you have to pay.
That was standard terminology at the old speed shops.
How much $ depended on how fast you wanted to do.
Randy
On 02/05/2013 9:23 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Nope. Not until a camera gets on the stand and testifies. In the US
Not a different planet but a different world, I tried to challenge a
speeding ticket many years ago (120 in a 110 zone) but failed miserably.
The magistrates where sympathetic but had to uphold the law, ended up
costing me more and a couple of points off the license.
Kinda frustrating when you c
I think it has to do with how you act and how you approach the
situation. For example, I always file a discovery request for the
officers notes, bring signed affidavits from any passengers with their
complete story, bring relevant photos and maps of the scene/car/etc, and
generally act respectf
You must live on a different planet
At 10:43 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:
What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times
when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to
the legal minimum or removed every time.
Sincerely,
Tyler
On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Ka
What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times
when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to
the legal minimum or removed every time.
Sincerely,
Tyler
On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
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> From: "Mitch Haley"
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
>
>
>> ernest breakfield wrote:
>>> try to make it clear that you would have been obeying the law if
&
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
tyler wrote:
I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are
reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the
defendant- as is required by law.
The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the
punishment fit t
I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are
reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the
defendant- as is required by law.
The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the punishment
fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I got
Best off to just pay the thing, question is did you miss the sign or was
the sign that badly vandalized that any reasonable person would not be
able to make out what it was.
What is the basis of your challenge? That there was only one partially
obscured sign?
You have to consider that a court wi
Yeah, my thought, too.
Wilton
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From: "R A Bennell"
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding/comparing VIN's
Even back then, he may have just been checking to see if you appear
, 2009 1:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding/comparing VIN's
Late one afternoon in '76 at George AFB, CA, (near Victorville) I had
dismantled a small, surplus bridge on base and most of the long beams loaded
onto my '74 Plymouth van with several feet of
BTW, 'have no idea what they were
looking for.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
ernest breakfield wrote:
try to make it clear that you
ernest breakfield wrote:
try to make it clear that you would have been obeying the law if
> there was some way you could have known what it actually was!
I once got pulled over for going past a 25mph sign at 35mph with my brakes on.
AFAIK, the speed limit was 55mph on one side of that sign an
er, make that "trIAl by declaration",... silly spell check doesn't know
what i *meant* to say! ;-)
cheers!
e
ernest breakfield wrote:
always fight a ticket. there are a variety of reasons you might get off.
if it comes down to convincing a judge, i wouldn't argue about what
my actual
always fight a ticket. there are a variety of reasons you might get off.
if it comes down to convincing a judge, i wouldn't argue about what
my actual speed was but would be prepared to show evidence that you
couldn't have *reasonably* known that the speed limit was 20 since
that's what you
Loren Faeth wrote:
I want to encourage you to resist. The only discouragement they get is
when you make them spend more to prosecute than the ticket is worth.
I forgot to mention in my earlier reply:
If you have photographic evidence, don't let anybody see it until after you've
cross-examined
I'd gather evidence and talk to prosecutor about dismissal.
Wilton
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From: "Allan Streib"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:15 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: speeding
Got my first speeding ticket tonight, 35 in a 20. I thought I was on an
unposted stretch of road, wh
I want to encourage you to resist. The only discouragement they get
is when you make them spend more to prosecute than the ticket is worth.
that said, in the first proceeding your chances of success I would
put at 5% or less. As one "judge" told me once, "If you weren't
guilty, they would no
pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
Don't deal with the Judge, he will consider you a PIA. Go talk to the prosecutor
Around here (Michigan) we have to demand a formal hearing to get a prostitutor
and judge, otherwise it's just you, the cop, and a part time lawyer/magistrate.
My experience with demandi
Thinking of contesting the ticket. I'm going back in the morning to
take photos of the sign and document the lack of any "PARK ZONE" or
additional speed limit signs. Anyone have a feeling whether a judge
would dismiss this at a bench trial?
One of the most instructive things I did, when dealin
Don't deal with the Judge, he will consider you a PIA. Go talk to the
prosecutor, with luck he will reduce of nolly the charge. He's happy they got
your attention.
--
Peter Arnold
Windsor, CT
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