RE: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
-Original Message- From: Bill Moseley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I'm just bored with html forms. Seems like I do this kind of project too often -- read a record, post, validate, update... Even with good templating and code reuse between projects I still feel like I spend a

RE: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
-Original Message- From: Chris Winters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] But if you've been working on and building up a platform for 4+ years that already does this, then there's very little to be gained and lots to be lost by moving to an application server. :-) I'd put it slightly

RE: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
-Original Message- From: Gunther Birznieks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Of course, I am not saying that the line isn't fuzzy especially if the template engine is quite powerful (as is the case with Mason or AxKit). But there is a line nonetheless, no?? /me removes head from

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-17 Thread Claudio Garcia
Michael wrote: Are any of the packages mentioned particularly suited to client content management packages where the client can manage some limeted page content text/graphics but not really mess with the overall page layout and site content. I'm about to start researching this but would

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Radovan Semancik
Gargi Bodke wrote: hi i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? also does modperl support object oriented programming? One

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Brett W. McCoy
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Gargi Bodke wrote: i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? There are several solutions you can explore, that are

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Jim Smith
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:41:46PM +0530, Gargi Bodke wrote: hi i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? There are a large number of

RE: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Matt Sergeant
-Original Message- From: Gargi Bodke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] hi i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? There's

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Dominique Quatravaux
also does modperl support object oriented programming? Well yes it does indeed (see any good book on Perl, such as «advanced Perl programming» from O'Reilly). As for the remaining of the question, I've been wondering for myself if there is a MVC (model-view-controller) framework for WWW

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Scott Lanning
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Gargi Bodke wrote: i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? Maybe HTML::Mason, http://www.masonhq.com/ also does

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread kyle dawkins
Gargi On October 16, 2001 10:11 am, Gargi Bodke wrote: i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? Absolutely; mod_perl fully supports OO

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Gargi Bodke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business logic from the html. how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business logic. is there any other way? By using one of the many available templaters, my

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Robin Berjon
On Tuesday 16 October 2001 17:13, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: As for the remaining of the question, I've been wondering for myself if there is a MVC (model-view-controller) framework for WWW publishing in Perl ? I gather there exist quite a few for Java, but I couldn't find anything

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Brett W. McCoy
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: As for the remaining of the question, I've been wondering for myself if there is a MVC (model-view-controller) framework for WWW publishing in Perl ? I gather there exist quite a few for Java, but I couldn't find anything significant under

RE: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Henigan, Timothy
Title: RE: Mod_perl component based architecture You should really check out OpenInteract (http://www.openinteract.org). It sounds like it has a lot of the hooks you're looking for (user management, templates, online content editing, etc) as well as a few you'll be looking for later (security

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Brett W. McCoy
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Michael wrote: Quite a few, as the other posts in thread have already made reference to. In addition, there is also CGI::Application, which supports templating via HTML::Template and uses an MVC architecture as well. Are any of the packages mentioned particularly

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Chris Winters
* Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011016 15:37]: Are any of the packages mentioned particularly suited to client content management packages where the client can manage some limeted page content text/graphics but not really mess with the overall page layout and site content. I'm about to start

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Bill Moseley
I've been looking at OpenInteract, too. I've got a project where about 100 people need to edit records in a database via a web-based interface. And I'd like history tracking of changes (something like CVS provides, where it's easy to see diffs and to back out changes). And I need access

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Nick Tonkin
I do almost nothing but the kind of work you are describing, including a comprehesive student record management system for a large California College. I find that providing a custom interface to data is a lot more like static content than dynamic when it comes to design. My apps tend to look

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Chris Winters
* Bill Moseley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011016 16:49]: I'm just bored with html forms. Seems like I do this kind of project too often -- read a record, post, validate, update... Even with good templating and code reuse between projects I still feel like I spend a lot of time re-inventing the

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Chris Winters
* Nick Tonkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011016 17:28]: ... I guess in general I favor independent component APIs upon which you can build, a la Apache::Session, rather than the monster Application Servers ... it seems that you get the same effect but with more control. Of course, I've had the

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 11:13 PM 10/16/01, Dominique Quatravaux wrote: also does modperl support object oriented programming? Well yes it does indeed (see any good book on Perl, such as «advanced Perl programming» from O'Reilly). As for the remaining of the question, I've been wondering for myself if there

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: I would venture to say that some of the mod_perl-only toolkits have some cases of being better designed than ours, but they are mostly mod_perl only. In fact, I don't know if I know any other toolkits than ours that are not mod_perl only of the

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Ilya Martynov
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:07:47 -0500 (CDT), Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DR On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: I would venture to say that some of the mod_perl-only toolkits have some cases of being better designed than ours, but they are mostly mod_perl only. In fact, I

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:28 PM 10/17/01, Ilya Martynov wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:07:47 -0500 (CDT), Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DR On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: I would venture to say that some of the mod_perl-only toolkits have some cases of being better designed than ours, but

Re: Mod_perl component based architecture

2001-10-16 Thread Rob Nagler
As for the remaining of the question, I've been wondering for myself if there is a MVC (model-view-controller) framework for WWW publishing in Perl ? I gather there exist quite a few for Java, but I couldn't find anything significant under Perl. Check out http://www.bivio.net/hm/why-bOP