Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change Default Data Quality

2007-07-17 Thread Don Redman
Note: Yes, I read the entire thread. On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 06:28:26 +0200, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Now that that's said, can we return the focus of the conversation back to the main topic here - the RFC - and not the way any one individual phrases edit notes? Just reviewing the emails since my

Re: [mb-style] RFC: changed name to AR

2007-05-10 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 07 May 2007 13:08:41 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Hi! There was a discussion a while ago about bands changing their names. I can't find it now, and I'd like to revive the discussion. In short, I propose we add a new artist-to-artist AR to reflect bands changing their names. The

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg

2007-05-10 Thread Don Redman
Hmm, I am still unsure. Here are the important definitions that were proposed during this thread (did I miss one?) On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:21:54 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: Any release that was not legally sanctioned by the rights holder, which is normally, but not always, the artist and/or

Re: [mb-style] ARs about cover-art roles

2007-05-10 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 04 May 2007 01:05:45 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: The only technical issue is splitting the art design/illustration AR with minimal loss of data. Is it possible to make a tiny temporary hack that keeps an already-existing AR present but disallows creating new ARs of that type? We only

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg

2007-05-06 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:09:03 +0200, Sami Sundell wrote: On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 07:59:55AM +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: I honestly don't understand the wikipedia article's point of view. For once, I do, at least in some respects :P Ok, I'll give it a try (this is DonRedman's definition, not

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New AR Type: Edited By

2007-05-06 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 02 May 2007 01:03:49 +0200, Chris B wrote: On 01/05/07, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now i'm convinced they are different things :) yes they are it could be handled under my relationship though because the use should be obvious from the context. I suggested two types

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New AR Type: Edited By

2007-05-01 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 01 May 2007 01:21:36 +0200, Chris B wrote: See http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/EngineerRelationshipType # artist edited release or track # release or track was edited by artist The editor is responsible for either connecting disparate elements of the audio recording, or otherwise

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg

2007-05-01 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:21:54 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: As was pointed out last time this argument came up, the thing missing in our definition is legality. It's not a matter of sanctioned or not, it's a matter of legal licensing. A bootleg is illegal. Always. Every time. Anything that's

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Bad Terminology: bootleg

2007-04-27 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:11:00 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2007/4/27, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think you are not getting his point. Bootleg *means* someting and MB has been using the term for a lot of stuff that means nothing. Thus our formal and very broad definition. I am

Re: [mb-style] Disc catalogue numbers

2007-04-06 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:44:32 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: under the current system it would be: CD1 = NTCD354 + release date A NTCD1952 + release data B CD2 = NTCD38l + release date C NTCD1952 + release data B Ok. Although I still feel we are losing information and that attaching the

[mb-style] RFV: Opera Track Style

2007-03-27 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:39:21 +0200, Aaron Cooper wrote: It looks wonderful! Great work everyone! :) We could use a few more example releases - I'll try and get my Der Ring box set updated and linked. Cheers! Very cool and thanks to everybody who took part. I do not think a veto is

[mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style: Vote on Two Options

2007-03-19 Thread Don Redman
OK, seems we need a clear decision now. The wiki page lists the two options that remain: 1. OperaName, OpusNumber: ActNumber[, SceneNumber]. (PerformanceType: Characters) Name of the song 2. OperaName, OpusNumber: ActNumber[, SceneNumber]. PerformanceType Name of the song (Characters)

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Part Numbering

2007-03-11 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:33:59 +0100, Robert Kiessling wrote: Are track titles required to be unique within one release? No DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiDocs, the MusicBrainz documentation system. Go to http://musicbrainz.org/doc/SomeTerm (you might need to

Re: [mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

2007-03-09 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:07:00 +0100, wrote: The compiling artist is credited on the cover, I would expect these kind of albums to appear on the artist page (in the appropriate section, not along their regular albums)._I_ fail to see why it would be better to keep them linked to 'various

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style

2007-03-09 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:29:39 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Alternatively you can say: Hey, I'ts a wiki. Just delete stuff as you like, and link to the old revision of the page for historical purpose like this: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/OperaTrackStyle?action=recallrev=33 Yes, but

Re: [mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

2007-03-06 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:37:33 +0100, Erik Dalén wrote: Chris Bransden wrote: On 06/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree :) So in your opinion this release should be Ladytron not Various Artists?

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style

2007-03-02 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:26:33 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2007/3/2, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3/2/07, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want to try Don's suggestion yourself? It would mean editing an actual release this way and telling other users you have

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-27 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:38:54 +0100, David Gibson wrote: Erm.. except I believe the thread was discussion classical Release Titles, not Track Titles. How embarrasing. :-) Funny that I did not realise this while reading through the 50+ mails. I really have been reading too fast. Sorry.

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-26 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:29:45 +0100, Aaron Cooper wrote: I started this thread to get rid of this: Symphon[y|ies] No[s|]. 5[, | / | ] [No[s|].|] 7 // square brackets imply a choice between the items separated by bars // so, for example we currently have: // Symphony No. 5 / No. 7 // Symphonies

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-22 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:54:06 +0100, Aaron Cooper wrote: Good evening, I want to propose a standard way of titling classical releases. This wouldn't apply to compilations with several parts of different works, but rather for releases which have an (or multiple) entire works. Here's the gist:

[mb-style] FW: [mb-users] Remasters of Jean Michel Jarre

2007-01-14 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:20:29 +0100, Chris Bransden wrote on mb-users: On 12/01/07, Erik Dalén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it remastered releases should be added as a new release with a remaster AR to the original even if the track list hasn't changed, right? i seem to

Re: [mb-style] Re: Should we keep the spaces before punctuation in french?

2007-01-08 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:30:03 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2007/1/8, Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sure this is something that needs to be addressed... definitely MusicBrainz is a complicated beast. I guess many style rules will become useless once Loch Ness, sorry NGS is here. I am

Re: [mb-style] Is a common CSG possible and/or desirable?

2006-12-11 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:31:20 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/12/11, mll [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, DonRedman lent me his magical wand so that (I shorten) now http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuide will be pasted to http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ClassicalStyleGuide only when we decide

Re: [mb-style] Cantata and movement names names: where ?

2006-12-05 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:36:42 +0100, Andrew Conkling wrote: Have we reached any consensus on this? I'm getting a bit confused rereading this thread, but I'm on a Bach rampage and am looking to clean up a few cantata releases. Heh, someone should try to summarise the result. That's what RFC/RFV

[mb-style] What a veto means (Was: RFV: DMCSeriesStyle)

2006-11-13 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:38:01 +0100, Jason Bouwmeester wrote: Hardly; only if other people feel the same way, I guess. Oh I was just under the impression that one veto was all it took. That is only half of it. All of it goes like this: If you really believe that MusicBrainz will become a

[mb-style] RFC: SeriesStyleGuideline

2006-11-13 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:54:08 +0100, azertus wrote: 2006/11/9, Lauri Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've made some small formatting edits to the Promo Only guideline page, which I think clarifies which of it comprise the actual guideline, and which parts are just extra information. I hope this helps

Re: [mb-style] RFC: SeriesStyleGuideline

2006-11-13 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:39:38 +0100, Lauri Watts wrote: I'd love to see the CdM and MoS 'current practise' written up too, and there are probably plenty more around, concensus built over time, and known only to a handful of people, or buried in edit notes. I love this term Current Practice.

Re: [mb-style] WikiDocs for StyleGuidelines?

2006-11-07 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:00:04 +0100, Age Bosma wrote: I mean templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template Where we can just put a bit of HTML in a separate template page: div style=border: 1px solid #3F3F3F; background-color: #FF; font-weight: bold; text-align: center; padding:

[mb-style] RFC: How to handle band/artist name changes (Was a RFV)

2006-11-06 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:07:03 +0100, Age Bosma wrote: Kerensky97 wrote: Add me as another person who really likes this idea but not the wording of legal. If we can just think of a different way to word it I think it would be great. Who are the other people who don't like the wording of

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type

2006-11-06 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:15:33 +0100, Alexander Dupuy wrote: Anyhow - no need for a new RFV on this - as I was the only one objecting strongly to the attribute, we can add it provisionally, and remove it once the server support on updated album page makes it obsolete. Done:

Re: [mb-style] WikiDocs for StyleGuidelines?

2006-11-06 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:21:11 +0100, Age Bosma wrote: Would this be worth the work? I think it will. We have the system in place so why not us it to the fullest. It would sure fit nicely in the current discussion on the forum about changing and improving the RFC/RFV process [1]. I do,

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type

2006-11-04 Thread Don Redman
OK, we seem to have consensus about this. Should I make a RFV for this or is this part of the first one? If everybody is ok with it, I can change the AR definition now to the way it is on test. I have already added the new attribute, but not enabled it in the AR. I have lost track of this

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type

2006-11-04 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:30:12 +0100, Kerensky97 wrote: I tried to fix one of the mistagged ones but it doesn't let you have two of the ARs at the same time so to correct something people would have to remove the error translation AR then re-enter the AR with the transliteration checkbox. Uh?

Re: [mb-style] ARs for labels

2006-11-04 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:54:55 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Hi, I'm working on adding support for labels/catalog numbers. Now that I have implemented adding ARs for labels, I started thinking about possible AR types we will need. I can think only of these two:. Just to be sure: Labels will

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type

2006-11-04 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:14:56 +0100, Kerensky97 wrote: Maybe I won't add it to Trac, it keeps saying Akismet rejected spam Uh? Whatever, here it is: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2254 And I have added a comment to Rob'S recent blogpost. Howver, I am not sure, this attribute can be

Re: [mb-style] New Tools for the Council (Was: RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type)

2006-11-02 Thread Don Redman
I have tagged all style council related pages in the wiki with CategoryStyleCouncil. While doing so, I have found two pages, that I believed are not used anymore. These are * RecentStyleChanges and * the category on Trac http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/report/8 as mentioned on StyleIssue.

[mb-style] New Tools for the Council (Was: RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type)

2006-11-01 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:53:48 +0200, Kerensky97 wrote: Sorry I was a bit short on that last post, I'm frusterated for all the exact reasons you keep mentioning. We need to make the whole RFC/RFV process more accessable to everybody so that anybody who spends morethan a 30 second click

Re: [mb-style] Re: RFV: Translation Transliteration Relationship Type

2006-10-26 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:33:24 +0200, Alexander Dupuy wrote: Okay, Rob fixed the bug with the test server, and I created a {transtype} attribute for the new transl-tracklisting on the test server. Tried it out with the attribute optional, then made it required. Created some ARs for

Re: [mb-style] ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle - seems to have passed!

2006-10-24 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:00:13 +0200, Ryan McCabe wrote: I think this flew under the radar of a lot of people. Given the comments in the edit notes, and given the comments on IRC regarding the moderation, maybe there isn't a consensus after all, and it should be withdrawn for the time being, or

[mb-style] Style Council Procedures (Was: ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle...)

2006-10-24 Thread Don Redman
First, I would really appreciate if you (both of you) could keep this tone out of this mailinglist. Thank you. Second, mb-style is *the* place for decisions about changes to the style guidelines. This is adevertised on the wiki and repeatedly on mb-users. If anyone fears to be left out in

Re: [mb-style] Re: RFV: Promo Only Series Style

2006-10-19 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:02:15 +0200, Jason Bouwmeester wrote: Don, do you think it's ok if I rename this page to PromoOnlySeriesStyle, or leave it as is? And assuming it passes this RFV, shall we make an Official Series Style Guideline category and put this and the OC Remix Style in it? And

Re: [mb-style] Request for Clarification: positioning of disc numbers

2006-10-19 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:10:24 +0200, David Gibson wrote: As far as I can tell, the current style guideline information doesn't have any examples covering the intersection of DiscNumberStyle and ClassicalStyleGuide. Which order should the information mandated by each go, that is should it be:

Re: [mb-style] ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle - seems to have passed!

2006-10-19 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:10:29 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: CSGDiscussion being probably one of the biggest pages in the wiki, and discussions about classical being so long to resolve, I'd like to reorder Covers section in it (it helps me stay optimistic ;-) ) So examples 1, 2, 3, 8 and 9

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Proposal for Promo Only Style

2006-10-16 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:47:31 +0200, Jason Bouwmeester wrote: Meanwhile, do you think I should take this promo only thing to an RFV? I'm still a bit confused about the exact procedure (or if this even needs to go through the whole formal process, if we're gonna have style guidelines lite for

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Artist type: Project

2006-10-11 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:22:58 +0200, Robert Kaye wrote: Given that there seem to be no real objections to this, I'd like to put out an official call for veto on this topic. Please speak up in the next 48 hours if you have objections to this issue. Otherwise I will bring the code back for

Re: [mb-style] Should we change Classical Rules?

2006-10-09 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:03:27 +0200, Dave Smey wrote: Pointing out the fact that he really doesn't seem to have much experience with Classical music was a justified criticism, IMO. (Perhaps he will learn from the experience and not be so arrogant - though I admit that's pretty unlikely.) I

Re: [mb-style] How to handle band/artist name changes

2006-10-09 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:30:50 +0200, Kerensky97 wrote: For now i think we need to consider an AR that artist X changed name to artist Y (a complete changeover, not performas as or anything like that). And the Picard tweak would be cool too (it'll cause issues with last.fm submissions though

Re: [mb-style] How to handle band/artist name changes

2006-10-09 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:49:23 +0200, Age Bosma wrote: Hi, Based on the responses I think we can draw the following conclusions: 1. Releases have to be filed under the artist name it was releases under. Um, no? http://musicbrainz.org/artist/6514cffa-fbe0-4965-ad88-e998ead8a82a.html Most of

[mb-style] RFC: ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle

2006-10-03 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:59:25 +0200, Alexander Dupuy wrote: Without speaking to the correctness or accuracy of your arguments, I'd just point out that you're not likely to advance your cause very far with attacks like these, or worded differently: I am right of course, stop arguing already

Re: [mb-style] Re: [mb-users] Featuring artist revisited...

2006-09-25 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:49:32 +0200, Edward Kaye wrote: Hi, I admit it, I am the one that kicked off this arguments :) My BLS seems to have caused more than a little controversy. I meant to raise this issue, but it has been a hell of a week, with job interviews etc. For my two cents, I am a

Re: [mb-style] Re: [mb-users] Featuring artist revisited...

2006-09-24 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:17:40 +0200, Steve Wyles wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006, Don Redman wrote: This issue needs to be raised on the style mailing list. We can discuss this to death here but it will not matter. The only instance in MusicBrainz that could come to a binding decision

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) x(disc 2), vs x x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:37:58 +0200, Matt Howe wrote: On Wednesday 20 September 2006 3:37 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: off-topic. But I just didn't think that almost all bonus discs are Albums was a fair statement. In fact, I would (and am) argue that I never said that almost all bonus discs are

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) x(disc 2), vs x x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:02:44 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: On 9/20/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am right of course, stop arguing already will you, it's you who is wrong. There's my haiku! Well, IMVHO it applies to you as well. Neither of you have really been trying to understand

Re: [mb-style] RE: Jazz and World Music Style Guide?

2006-09-20 Thread Don Redman
I suggest you create a page along the lines of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuide and collect all these ideas. And please discuss new feature suggestions on mb-users, first. If you get some agreement and a more concrete idea, and if you need a decision or statement by the

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) x (disc 2), vs x x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BonusDisc (the ammendment section) thoughts? i still think this is a worthy ammendment, and noticed another case for it today. any thoughts? Why

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) x (disc 2), vs x x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:09:08 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: On 19/09/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BonusDisc (the ammendment section

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Playlists do not belong in MusicBrainz

2006-08-06 Thread Don Redman
OK, the follwing RFV has passed: Bootleg torrents that are compilations based on playlists of charts authorities (like Billboard's) should not be sotered in MusicBrainz as releases. These playlists are copyrighted by their issuers. I have written a blogpost[1] and entered a delte edit for

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Playlists do not belong in MusicBrainz

2006-08-05 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:21:35 +0200, Rod Begbie wrote: Any opinion on how this would affect the John Peel Festive 50[1] releases already in MB[2]? As far as I know, the Beeb don't give two hoots about the lists being distributed, so I'm not sure that copyright is a concern, but these releases

[mb-style] General feelings about the tone of mails these days (Was: AutoEditor Elections)

2006-08-04 Thread Don Redman
Initially, I wrote this as a personal reply to Lauri. When I read it over, I thought, what the hell. This is of interest to everybody. I changed the subject, too. On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:53:09 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: To me it is just about dialogue versus judging, about respect versus

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Torrents as Releases (Was: Billboard's top whatever)

2006-08-01 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:29:04 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: define popular :) to quote myself: how do you really measure that on the internet anyway? torrents are the only method of distribution [here], and aren't centralised anyway? i just don't know how i would begin to decide which torrents

[mb-style] RFC: Torrents as Releases (Was: Billboard's top whatever)

2006-07-31 Thread Don Redman
Hmm, there has not been a lot of response to my request. Strange thing, since a lot of people voted. in orter to push the process I'll make a concrete proposal as a Request for Comments MusicBrainz will start to keep track of series of *popular* torrents and have them in the database as

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New URL relation types: Has blog at URL, Has LiveJournal at URL

2006-07-16 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:01:44 +0200, Alexander Dupuy wrote: As nobody has raised any objections, in the spirit of beta testing, I have made these changes (renamed myspace AR, added blog AR) on the test.musicbrainz.org server, so that people can experiment with them. Interestingly, the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New Artist Type: Project

2006-07-14 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:50:09 +0200, Steve Wyles wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Robert Kaye wrote: I did not mean to circumvent the process here -- I do apologize. Please advise if I should: 1. reset the four artists to unknown and remove the project type from the live server or 2. don't

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New URL relation types: Has blog at URL, Has LiveJournal at URL

2006-07-14 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:22:12 +0200, Ilya Kasnacheev wrote: Proposal: New URL relation types: Has blog at URL, Has LiveJournal at URL Why needed?: As of today, musicbrainz have the relation Have the MySpace page at. MySpace is not only blog service in universe, neither it does have monopoly

Re: [mb-style] Re: split artist release title

2006-07-04 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:07:41 +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote: I've created http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SplitReleaseTitleStyle and like to have comments. Thanks! I think that page should state very clearly that the artist should be Various Artists. This is kind of implied but not very clear.

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New Artist Type: Project

2006-07-01 Thread Don Redman
I just realized that you (Beth) are not alone on this project (just finished reading mb-users). So, I want to bring Simon's excelent summary to everybody's attention: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Artist-Type%3A-Solo-Project-p5068189s2885.html That mail could serve as a good starting point for

Re: [mb-style] Meritocracy and the Style Council

2006-06-22 Thread Don Redman
Finally found the time to reply to your mail. On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:39:26 +0200, Beth wrote: Okay, there's little way I can reply to this without my normal ugly [beth] comments. Yes, they really are ugly. Especially since my mail client does not support them. [beth] I'll jump in

Re: [mb-style] RFV: RenamedRelationshipType

2006-06-21 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:52:01 +0200, Aaron Cooper wrote: I've been reading the other posts about staying on topic and such, and I know that you're requesting a veto here derGraph... I don't think we're off topic, but it appears that we have some discussing to do on the topic of how we store

Re: [mb-style] RFV: RenamedRelationshipType

2006-06-20 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:05:58 +0200, Aaron Cooper wrote: On 6/19/06, Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore my refined proposal would be: [artist] is a predecessor of [artist] [artist] is a successor of [artist] This AR applies to artist of type 'Group' only. That sounds better.

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-20 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:53:28 +0200, Nikki wrote: If Picard 0.8 comes out within a month, then would be two consecutive changes. (this argument does not hold if Lukas says Picard 0.8 takes longer) Well, 0.7 is not a stable release yet (according to the wiki page...), so I can't imagine 0.8

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-20 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:11 +0200, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: On 6/20/06, Don Redman wrote: (this argument does not hold if Lukas says Picard 0.8 takes longer) No, Picard 0.8 will not come within a month. OK, I withdraw my argument (which was not a veto anyway). Since this issue has been more

Re: [mb-style] Meritocracy and the Style Council

2006-06-20 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:53:32 +0200, joan WHITTAKER wrote: No sooner do we seem to have agreed than someone goes off at a tangent, and at least a third, usually those against the original proposal, following suit and trying to turn the debate. Yes this is a serious problem. It would be

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:19:41 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: firstly, i don't think any DB/Tagger changes will change the situation (see my previous post). Well, my experience says the opposite. In my very humble experience here at MB, every change at the fringes of the overall structure of

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:46:40 +0200, Aaron Cooper wrote: The big problem I see with AR's, is that we have to make them before we can use them. At this time, you don't link each song from an Add/Import to the original recording, and I for one will not go through the database now and link

Re: [mb-style] Net Releases

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:36:41 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: On 18/06/06, joan WHITTAKER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I take it that once Don Redman has spoken that is it - subject closed - decision made? no :) no offence intended toward don, but unless i'm mistaken, we're all equal in style

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:15:19 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: On 6/19/06, Chris Bransden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by saying that all indentically named tracks are indenticle in contet you require users to have heard all instances of the track in question. It's not a bijection, it's an injection

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:42:22 +0200, david scotson wrote: I personally ran a script over my collection to attach the original release date (or at least the earliest in MB) to the version I had, even if it was on a greatest hits or compilation. I simply ignored any text in brackets (you can go

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:18:16 +0200, Robert Kaye wrote: Everyone in the Style Council has a voice and that voice is not really connected to the number of edits made by that person. We do appreciate the hard work by all of our editors, but that shouldn't give them greater power here. If we

Re: [mb-style] RFV: RenamedRelationshipType

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:19:23 +0200, derGraph wrote: Request for Veto Okay, there doesn't seem to be any consensus yet about an evolved into relationship type, but at least I cannot recall any objections against a relationship type [artist] renamed to [artist] from [date] [artist]

[mb-style] Meritocracy and the Style Council

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:55:32 +0200, Stefan Kestenholz wrote: 1) the style council does not exist, for a long time now already. everybody who speaks here (except rob and don) are community members like everybody else. I call the body that makes the decisions about style issues the Style

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:17:38 +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote: The Idea: Keeping 'album version' in track titles as opposed to the present situation. Against --- - people like having the same track name for the same tracks on different releases. this, however, is already the case for e.g. live

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Dealing with translations and transliterations

2006-06-18 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:11:36 +0200, Nikki wrote: * We should have an 'official' and 'unofficial' attribute because some transliterations/translations are officially released, and therefore deserve separate entries. What does official mean in this case? Is this the same as I proposed,

Re: [mb-style] (album version)

2006-06-18 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:46:47 +0200, Aaron Cooper wrote: I am arguing that *identical* songs should be *identically* titled. I think most people would agree with that dream. No, I don't and I soppose that there is a considerable amount of people here who disagree. Actually I think this is

Re: [mb-style] Net Releases

2006-06-18 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:13:31 +0200, joan WHITTAKER wrote: Excuse me for being somewhat obtuse, but does this then mean that if an album, track or whatever is put out on the INTERNET, then at that time it becomes to all intents and purposes a worldwide release Unless it is not annotated

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines

2006-06-12 Thread Don Redman
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:12:52 +0200, Don Redman wrote: On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:57:31 +0200, derGraph wrote: Robert Kaye wrote: I'm sorry but I simply do not have the background to make a decision on this. Herr Redman, can you please organize a vote? Hmm it seems we have reached consensus

Re: [mb-style] How the Style Council Works (Was: RFV: Adding some AR attributes)

2006-06-12 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:28 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: On 11/06/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you propose a very minor change, you can skip steps 1 to 3 and request a veto right away. define 'minor' :) personally i think if you are going to skip the RFC stage, the veto

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Adding some AR attributes

2006-06-11 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:50:21 +0200, Simon Reinhardt wrote: However, is that an addition, an agreement or a veto? ;) Was there I don't know because I must admit, that I have really lost track of the latest discussions on mb-style. If there has not been such a discussion, then a requesto

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines

2006-06-08 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:57:31 +0200, derGraph wrote: Robert Kaye wrote: I'm sorry but I simply do not have the background to make a decision on this. Herr Redman, can you please organize a vote? I doubt a vote would make much sense, especially because hardly anyone seems to know enough

Re: [mb-style] What is and what is not off topic

2006-06-06 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:00:22 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: I understand your point, Don, but then I will repeat what another user has already told you: this group should be renamed to something like mb-style-council. I believe the Secretary of Style should understand the relevance of an

Re: [mb-style] missing accents on Jarre's songs

2006-06-02 Thread Don Redman
I think you got things wrong here. Nobody uses Ae, Oe, Ue instead of Ä, Ö, Ü in modern Germany (nor in Swizerland, or Austria that I'd know of). The few cases you found are all names or place names which got standardized a couple of houndred years ago and are now kept this way. And I do

[mb-style] Off topic on mb-style (Was: missing accents on Jarre's songs)

2006-06-01 Thread Don Redman
Please note that strictly speaking this question is off topic on mb-style. It is a bout a *concrete* case. This should be discussed on mb-users. Please keep the discussions on mb-style about *general* style issues: guidelines, ARs questions that apply to more that just one or two concrete

Re: [mb-style] style guide for series of audio plays?

2006-06-01 Thread Don Redman
Please post these kind of quesitons on mb-users. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / Whatmakes an Alias?

2006-05-29 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 02:35:02 +0200, joan WHITTAKER wrote: The problem here is to define what you mean when you say grouping single artist. I simply mean that IMO replacing something which is now done with ArtistAlias by a new AR Type is no good, because it changes the semantics of MB in

Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / Whatmakes an Alias?

2006-05-29 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:13:25 +0200, derGraph wrote: joan WHITTAKER wrote: [...] T Rex, who evolved out of the remains of the original Tyrannosaurus Rex. Jefferson Airplane was formed in 1965 [...] and the band changed it's musical direction re-naming itself Jefferson Starship. [...] and the

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines

2006-05-29 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:50:08 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: I doubt we'll get very easy to a consensus. From what I see, I think there really weren't any kind of rules that we could call authoritative, and we probably won't agree on any modern authority, since every country appears to do it

Re: [mb-style] RFC: new AR type is the predecessor of

2006-05-29 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 19:24:32 +0200, Simon Reinhardt wrote: derGraph wrote: Does anyone have any objections on creating such an AR? Which wording should we use? (I'd prefer the predecessor / successor combination.) Is there something we should think about? Does this only apply to groups?

Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / What makes an Alias?

2006-05-28 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 25 May 2006 17:29:17 +0200, Cristov Russell wrote: Errr I'm not sure if MP3 software really matters. None of what I'm talking about impacts tagging without TaggerScript. Yes, it does matter. Using ARs instead of the ArtistAlias might not change the schema of the database, but is a

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type

2006-05-28 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:01:40 +0200, Stefan Kestenholz wrote: Hi, It seems we have encountered another issue with unwritten rules in a relationship type. Imho, it is strange that links to existing, and valid amazon pages which list information about a release (even if it might have been

Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign

2006-05-28 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:11:35 +0200, derGraph wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Designing is not a problem, we have hundreds of people willing to tell us how we should be doing things. ;) Actually getting someone to code these features, however, is.

Re: [mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon

2006-05-28 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:02:40 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and named parts:

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