Re: [mb-style] Genre support

2011-12-12 Thread Pete Marsh
one of my favourite things about Musicbrainz is that it doesn't try and deal with genre. Genres are massively subjective and also incredibly fluid and i'm not sure how useful they'd be to end users of MB data. i think attaching an artist to a genre in particular isn't a good start. eg Miles

Re: [mb-style] Deprecating collaborations

2011-08-24 Thread Pete Marsh
Their history definitely warrants that they that they be included as a single entity in MB. definitely agree with this. their solo releases (such as they are) came some while after their collaboration began. Hall Oates releases form the vast bulk of both men's recorded output. they're

Re: [mb-style] Arrange on works

2011-08-22 Thread Pete Marsh
i would have thought that most Orchestrator relationships are at recording level -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren Sent: 22 August 2011 16:47 To:

Re: [mb-style] Add work types

2011-08-15 Thread Pete Marsh
I think that no matter how controversial work types can be, they are essential for filtering works in prolific composers as mentioned above. could you not just use filtering on the title field to sort? symphonies, nocturnes, sonatas, concertos etc are titled as such which is why i'm not sure work

Re: [mb-style] Add work types

2011-08-12 Thread Pete Marsh
: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: 12 August 2011 11:10 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] Add work types 2011/8/12, Pete Marsh pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk: as someone

Re: [mb-style] Add work types

2011-08-12 Thread Pete Marsh
hi in case anyone's interested here's the work types spreadsheet I put together some while ago. it was compiled using definitions taken from Radio 3's specialist Classical Music d/base - some are clearly rather eccentric as a result - i whittled it down to 18 work types I thought were workable

Re: [mb-style] Add work types

2011-08-12 Thread Pete Marsh
yes, i think what i wrote is an argument for abandoning work tyoes (certainly as structured data). From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Paul C. Bryan Sent: 12 August 2011

Re: [mb-style] Add work types

2011-08-11 Thread Pete Marsh
Some while ago I started compiling a list of work types, predominantly for classical music use. But even there (where one could argue that the work type is an important concept) it's often hard to arrive at an objective definition. Most work types in classical music are explicit in the title

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-06-09 Thread Pete Marsh
...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Paul C. Bryan Sent: 08 June 2011 23:46 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 16:16 +0100, Pete Marsh wrote: This makes my head hurt, but here's a couple of questions just to make sure I'm

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-06-07 Thread Pete Marsh
This makes my head hurt, but here's a couple of questions just to make sure I'm kind of understanding it 1) how do we ascertain that a remix has enough new content to make it a new work? (it's going to be the exception rather than the rule to have new lyricist/composer credits). it would

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Pete Marsh
I support the complete overhaul and that the normal process has been circumvented. Most of the old guidelines don't make sense with NGS, and doing such a big change by RFC/RFV would have been extremely painful. I think we're much better off taking the rewrite and working from there. I couldn't

Re: [mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Pete Marsh
and IMHO it would have been impossible to get the guidelines right in advance I think it would have been possible, but we would still be waiting for NGS two or three years down the line. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Pete Marsh
/ gets a +1 from me... p -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 20 May 2011 09:28 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA? Lukáš Lalinský

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Work aliases

2011-05-18 Thread Pete Marsh
looks sensible to me, though I'm imagining that Urtexts for some composers/works might be hard to find. and with Mozart for instance...would Köchel numbers go into the comment field for diambiguation too (as they're not Mozart's) but be allowed in aliases? cheers p -Original

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Work aliases

2011-05-18 Thread Pete Marsh
-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: 18 May 2011 12:03 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: Work aliases On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:51:00 +0200, Pete Marsh pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk wrote: looks sensible to me, though I'm imagining that Urtexts for some

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Extends Wikipedia Relationship Type to entity Work

2011-05-18 Thread Pete Marsh
+1. absolutely essential! -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Maurits Meulenbelt Sent: 18 May 2011 13:52 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFC: Extends

Re: [mb-style] CGS: Comment field for recording names disambiguation

2011-05-18 Thread Pete Marsh
+1 -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: 18 May 2011 17:10 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: [mb-style] CGS: Comment field for recording names disambiguation

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-16 Thread Pete Marsh
i'm definitely up for this...any opportunity to discuss concept albums is too good to miss. :-) From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Paul C. Bryan Sent: 15 December 2010 19:54

Re: [mb-style] Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-10 Thread Pete Marsh
Q1. Should a work have an primary artist credit (AC) or are advanced relationships (ARs) more appropriate? ARs. Q2. What is your rationale for your answer to Q1? As Brian and others have pointed out, it's hard to quantify who is the artist 'most associated' with a work. Who would you

Re: [mb-style] RFC/RFV delay (was: RFV3: Writer Relationship Type)

2010-10-22 Thread Pete Marsh
I suggest that a minimum delay be applied between the last answer to a RFC and the RFV. This would avoid frustration for the champion. +1 to that idea. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC

Re: [mb-style] New release types?

2010-10-11 Thread Pete Marsh
hi brian Live Compilation would be for compilations of live tracks. i think this could do with a bit of expansion. do you mean various artists? (eg woodstock, live at the roxy etc) or would this kind of thing count as well? (even though none of the tracks had been previously issued)

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Re-add [traditional]

2010-10-11 Thread Pete Marsh
that is a really nice (in the true sense of the word) definition. +1 From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of SwissChris Sent: 11 October 2010 18:25 To: MusicBrainz Style

Re: [mb-style] RFV2: Music can be streamed for free at

2010-09-03 Thread Pete Marsh
hi my feeling is that video is outside the scope of this AR and that if video is included the AR becomes so generalised and vague as to be useless. there's already a youtube channel AR, isn't there? if that's not seen as adequate for outr YT needs then why not expand or alter that AR? cheers

Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-25 Thread Pete Marsh
, for example.) Brian On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Pete Marsh pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hello I've removed the Whitelist from the proposal... http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_free_ at any

Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-25 Thread Pete Marsh
describe - essentially the rss version of a stream, then I'd agree, because of the implicit permission grant. Brian On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Pete Marsh pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi Brian Yes, the original intent was a deep link to the stream, but it is within the context

Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-24 Thread Pete Marsh
Hello I've removed the Whitelist from the proposal... http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_free_ at any other feedback welcomed...I've kept Nikki's link phrasing on the URL as it's consistent with existing ARs which makes sense to me... -Original

Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-20 Thread Pete Marsh
I think that artist pages/sites that carry streaming music are covered well enough by other ARs to official sites/myspace etc. As you say, most artists sites will offer streaming, but the location of the streaming might be such that it's impossible to link to (a java player that sits on every

[mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-18 Thread Pete Marsh
1. Expected Passage Date - 20/08/10 2. The proposal is at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_free_ at and is essentially unchanged from the initial proposal apart from some clarification around the Whitelist. Peter Peter Marsh | BBC Music Interactive | Room

Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at'

2010-08-18 Thread Pete Marsh
Hi I think Artist music can be streamed for free at URL looks odd, shouldn't it be Artist's music can be streamed for free at URL? I think you're probably right there. and thanks for fixing the URL (worked ok for me!) I'd add that NPR should be on the whitelist. As was pointed out before

Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music can be streamed forfree at

2010-08-16 Thread Pete Marsh
Of Alex Mauer Sent: 12 August 2010 18:55 To: musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music can be streamed forfree at On 08/12/2010 12:04 PM, Pete Marsh wrote: services that have a large catalogue of legally available streamed music

Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music cn be streamed for fre at

2010-08-13 Thread Pete Marsh
[mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Nikki Sent: 13 August 2010 00:36 To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music cn be streamed for fre at Pete Marsh wrote: Thanks Nikki I think a whitelist would be the most sensible option

Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music cn be streamed for fre at

2010-08-12 Thread Pete Marsh
at Pete Marsh wrote: RFC Expires 22/07/10 The purpose of this AR is to allow linkage from Artist Pages and Release Group/Releases or Tracks/Recordings to free streaming music services such as Spotify or we7. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_fre e_

Re: [mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music cn be streamed for freat

2010-08-12 Thread Pete Marsh
to be on the whitelist. Paste? NPR? Stereogum? etc. etc. etc. -Mark/InSinU8 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Pete Marsh pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Thanks Nikki I think a whitelist would be the most sensible option. I wasn't imagining that YouTube and MySpace would be appropriate, mainly

[mb-style] RFC - AR proposal - Add Music cn be streamed for fre at

2010-07-14 Thread Pete Marsh
RFC Expires 22/07/10 The purpose of this AR is to allow linkage from Artist Pages and Release Group/Releases or Tracks/Recordings to free streaming music services such as Spotify or we7. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_free_ at