Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Richard Wright
"Things, not Objects" - Bruno Latour From: marc garrett Date: 29 December 2011 12:08:56 GMT To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions. Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity OOQ – Object-Orient

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Simon Biggs
People are not black-boxes. We are not simple (or even complex) instances of a class of some kind. OOP's is a very powerful means for creating meaning and action in machines and artificial systems but as a metaphor for human beingness it seems too neat to account for the complexity and multi-val

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Catherine Daly
My unpublished next installment in my long work is called OOD (Object-Oriented Design) and uses some of the work of the Objectivist poets, and some neo baroque embedded devices and ... here, we see the spectre of the posthuman, which has little to do with programming techniques, languages, etc.

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:31:10 + Simon Biggs wrote: > People are not black-boxes. We are not simple (or even complex) > instances of a class of some kind. OOP's is a very powerful means for > creating meaning and action in machines and artificial systems but as > a metaphor for human beingness

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 30/12/11 12:12, Richard Wright wrote: > "Things, not Objects" - Bruno Latour "As we all know, there are many more things that don't exist than things that do." - Ken Campbell. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netb

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ - Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread manik
...''WHAT'S WITHOUT NAME, THAT DOESN'T EXIST...BUT EVERYTHING'S NAMED''(V.Nabokov).../which mean it's our fault AND RESPONSIBILITY/...MANIK...DECEMBER...2011... - Original Message - From: "Rob Myers" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ - Object-O

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Yann Le Guennec
hello, yep, not sure OOP¨has something to do with OOP “Object-Oriented Philosophy” This term is my own coinage, dating to 1999. (If anyone used the phrase earlier than that, I was unaware of it but would be happy to credit it if it is brought to my attention.) (...) In short, object-o

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Simon Biggs
The programming dimension seems to be at the heart of the argument. Hansen is extending the OOP programming paradigm to notions of agency and relationality, even ontology. best Simon On 30 Dec 2011, at 13:16, James Morris wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:31:10 + > Simon Biggs wrote: > >

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 30/12/11 17:10, Simon Biggs wrote: > The programming dimension seems to be at the heart of the argument. There are various different versions of OOP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming In particular, multimethod-based OOP doesn't require that objects own or contain the

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ - Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 30/12/11 14:25, manik wrote: > ...''WHAT'S WITHOUT NAME, THAT DOESN'T EXIST...BUT EVERYTHING'S > NAMED''(V.Nabokov).../which mean it's our fault AND > RESPONSIBILITY/...MANIK...DECEMBER...2011... Ontology + Deontology... - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mai

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Yann Le Guennec
very confusing... about the relation (or not) between Object Oriented Philosophy & Object Oriented Programming http://www.bogost.com/blog/objectoriented_p.shtml Le 30/12/2011 18:50, Rob Myers a écrit : > On 30/12/11 17:10, Simon Biggs wrote: >> The programming dimension seems to be at the h

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Pall Thayer
There is no question in my mind that object oriented philosophy is borne from and related to notions of object oriented programming. If we accept that, then it's interesting to see yet another way in which computer programming and code-concepts are permeating our contemporary culture. However, I'm

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread IR3ABF
What should object oriented philosophy be about in an age where the paradigmatic divide between object and subject is a long past station? To me it appears to be a rather 'subjective' way to connect a 'popular' issue i.e. programming practices with a vague notion of 'philosophy' and should not

Re: [NetBehaviour] fb bashing app [was: Object-Oriented-Questions]

2011-12-30 Thread James Morris
Hi Andreas, On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:52:34 +0100 IR3ABF wrote: > Same goes for OOP as the 'only just' way to formalize current > programming techniques as it is just a way among others to 'look' at > a certain field of theoretical approaches to practical problems i.e. > optimizing code, for we ha

Re: [NetBehaviour] fb bashing app [was: Object-Oriented-Questions]

2011-12-30 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:05:41 + James Morris wrote: > > BTW have a look at my 'new' FB bashing program (written in js and > > php): > > > > http://apps.facebook.com/whathef-/ > > > > (FB login required) > > > I'm really hesitant to try fb apps, I have a distrust of them... and > the ones I

[NetBehaviour] Why is Google reporting my most common keyword is viagra or cialis?

2011-12-30 Thread James Morris
http://redleg-redleg.blogspot.com/2011/02/pharmacy-hack.html -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

[NetBehaviour] Psychogeodata 2/3

2011-12-30 Thread Rob Myers
Image: http://robmyers.org/2011/12/30/derive_sem_example.png Blog post including links: http://robmyers.org/2011/12/30/psychogeodata-23/ Geodata represents maps as graphs of nodes joined by edges (...as points joined by lines). This is a convenient representation for processing by computer softw

Re: [NetBehaviour] fb bashing app [was: Object-Oriented-Questions]

2011-12-30 Thread Andreas Maria Jacobs
Hi James You should accept the 'security exception', it is merely that the domain nictoglobe.com does not issues 'trusted certificates' as is necessary for a proper https connection You also can try to connect 'insecure' to: http://nictoglobe.com/canvas/index.php to avoid the hassle, bypass

Re: [NetBehaviour] OOQ – Object-Oriented-Questions.

2011-12-30 Thread Pall Thayer
I agree with some of your points, andreas. I do think that latching on to terminology that is en vogue may be a factor but then again, isn't that often what sparks new ways of looking at things? Taking ideas from one field and exploring how they might apply to another? I'm not going to criticize th

Re: [NetBehaviour] fb bashing app [was: Object-Oriented-Questions]

2011-12-30 Thread IR3ABF
Hi Pall, James, Yann ( et al) I just read some definitions of de-obfuscating code, and suddenly recognised that I am a very naive coder! -;) But nevertheless still enjoying doing it, maybe because all that cryptic secret stuff is something not directly connected to coding 'an sich' but has more

[NetBehaviour] puckered mouth either or

2011-12-30 Thread Alan Sondheim
puckered mouth either or http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks.mp4 http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks1.png http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks2.png http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks3.png http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks4.png http://www.alansondheim.org/vocks5.png either this and just I happened was