This.
Ignoring the presence of intermediary (with own agenda) between the
technology and its deployer/user, and calling the intermediary 'the
technology', is the most dangerous aspect of present indoctrination.
We are slowly (or not so slowly) sliding back to the pre-Gutenberg era,
where onl
I do not disagree with this sentiment. My argument is about technology versus
services, not about whether technology is neutral (in general it is not).
Best wishes
Geoff
On 11 July 2019 12:57:25 BST, "xDxD.vs.xDxD" wrote:
>hi!
>
>
>
>> Somewhere along the line we as a culture have forgotten
hi!
> Somewhere along the line we as a culture have forgotten the distinction
> between
> 'technology' and 'services'. A 'technology' is really just a method or
> system
> for applying knowledge to a problem; any individual or business could
> choose to
> implement (or commission, or lease, or
On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 05:08:12AM -0700, John Preston wrote:
> To give an example, say someone was organising some direct action. There
> are some communications tools like maybe Signal, that should provide
> privacy and the basic utility of instant messaging. But consider if we
> want a tool like
Am 07/07/19 um 14:08 schrieb John Preston:
> I am interested in build a new computer that is drastically simpler than
> what we currently have, and with some different things to focus on in
> its design (eg computer as a document system before a calculator).
Isnt that something like WWW v. Gopher
I believe the fundamental issue goes beyond requiring just public
ownership/operation of these technologies but also public understanding,
and ties in with the HCI discussion in parallel thread "Has net-art lost
political significance?".
I am interested in build a new computer that is drastically
Platforms (Telegram, Facebook, Twitter, and so on) are not the answer; they are
operated by illegitimate gatekeepers who have no place in the conversation or
its management. Some of us would never use such a method to communicate, nor
should we be expected to do so.
Suggest that in an ideal world
Am 04/07/19 um 02:57 schrieb BishopZ:
> Open Archives in return could lead
> to legal risks in Germany, what do you do as a mailing list admin when
> you face court injunctions to remove copyrighted or defamatory content
> from list archives etc. You simply can't risk to let removed content pop
> u
The hardest part about computer science is the naming of things.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:05 PM BishopZ wrote:
> What is netttime?
> Same as Diaspora- may they rest in peace?
> Byzantine perhaps?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:41 PM BishopZ wrote:
>
>> [image: wSxgs.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 20
What is netttime?
Same as Diaspora- may they rest in peace?
Byzantine perhaps?
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:41 PM BishopZ wrote:
> [image: wSxgs.png]
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:32 PM André Rebentisch wrote:
>
>> Am 01.07.19 um 15:49 schrieb Max Herman:
>> >
>> > Hi André,
>> >
>> > Which of the
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:32 PM André Rebentisch wrote:
> Am 01.07.19 um 15:49 schrieb Max Herman:
> >
> > Hi André,
> >
> > Which of the formerly valuable lists are dead? I'm very far out of the
> > loop working mostly offline for the last decade.
>
> Dear Max,
>
> almost all
Am 01.07.19 um 15:49 schrieb Max Herman:
>
> Hi André,
>
> Which of the formerly valuable lists are dead? I'm very far out of the
> loop working mostly offline for the last decade.
Dear Max,
almost all lists I am subscribed to. Simply members are not posting
anymore. I still read nettime. I st
Thanks Nina, Molly, André, David, Allan, and everyone else for all your
insight on this thread.
I'd like to chime in with a quote from our own slice of web [1]:
is not just a mailing list but an effort to formulate an
international, networked discourse that neither promotes a dominant
euphoria
Forwarded on behalf of Nina
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From: "Nina Temporär"
Date: Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 3:59 AM
Subject: Aw: Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can
change it.
To: Molly Hankwitz
Hi Molly,
Thanks, I have a similar perspective , but wasnt
Most formerly valuable mailing lists are dead, Carlo.
Here you find a recent quote from Joichi Ito:
“You know that little girl in The Exorcist? That’s what the internet
feels like to me,” Ito said. “You have this little girl and you think
she’s going to become this wonderful kid and then she gets
Carlo and nettime!
Thank you for this, Carlo. I could not agree more, the deliberate effort of
mods to put material that is provocative and worthy on the list...BUT, it
may also be, and this is where mods could also help...that the great net
debates have disappeared or died out. There are new deba
I'll keep it short as I've said it before some years ago…
I think the pro-active moderation was the whole specialty
of nettime, fostering high quality and inclusiveness. Since
you dropped that (possibly because it was too much work, so
I'm not blaming) the list slowly lost its focus just as all
the
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can
change it.
(John Preston)
2. The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors;
throws in the towel (Bruce Sterling)
3.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
(John Preston)
2. The Maker Movement is abandoned by its corporate sponsors;
throws in the towel (Bruce Sterling)
3. Re: Nettime is
wrote:
> Just forwarding this up.
>
> -
> FROM: Karim Brohi
> SENT: 8 June 2019 14:35:45 BST
> TO: John Preston
> SUBJECT: Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change
> it.
>
> Nettime is in bad shape - as are most (all?)
Just forwarding this up.
Original Message
From: Karim Brohi
Sent: 8 June 2019 14:35:45 BST
To: John Preston
Subject: Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
Nettime is in bad shape - as are most (all?) of the email based discussion
groups o
Ted and Felix,
firstly let me say that it's nice to read your email concerning the list.
I guess lots of us lurkers think we are not eloquent enough to get into
discussions. Perhaps some of us are not used to virtual exchange, or just
cant bother to take sides that are so uniform.
It might happe
Thank you, Tomasz, for chiming in.
Your definitions are interesting. But if we take them as a starting
point, I find myself still struggling to understand Frank's intended
put-down, as well as his complaint. This list serves no real purpose
beyond a kind of digital entertainment at a virtual s
Just adding my two cents, as per the call. :)
I only discovered nettime in the last few months. I'm a computer-child, I've
grown up on the net, and one of the people who now take a more conservative or
critical approach to tech. I came here because I am trying to develop as an
artist, working w
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 01:18:23PM -0400, Sascha D. Freudenheim wrote:
> I resemble that remark, and I object to it strenuously!
>
> WTF is a "consistent bourgeois misunderstanding of contextless 'free
> speech'"? And what makes that misunderstanding "bourgeois" in
> nature?
For me, "bourgeois" i
Low-poster, relative newcomer, appreciator of what nettime allows,
confesses hazards of doctrinaire free speech since 1992:
1. Got kicked off several fora for annoying, angering, pissing off moderators.
2. Got kicked off Twitter for violating ToS, fingered family members
of Trump jackass.
3. G
ideological
underpinnings of what is ostensibly neutral (eg technology).
I urge you to actually start moderating again.
Frank.
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Subject: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
Date: Friday, June 07, 2019 10:41 AM
Nettime is in bad shape, don't you think?
It has still a lot of goodwill, and more generally there's renewed
interest in formats of exchange and collective t
Nettime is in bad shape, don't you think?
It has still a lot of goodwill, and more generally there's renewed
interest in formats of exchange and collective thinking that
aren't defined by the logic of social media. But the dynamics that
social media companies exploit are hardly limited to a handfu
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