Greg Stewart wrote:
> Um...
>
> 1, Gates created the first version DOS.
No he did not
IBM did and the us court made them share it so as not to have a monopoly of
hardware and software
>
> 2. Gates wrotes the first two versions of OS/2.
no IBM are the sole creators and owners of os2, if w
http://www.linux-mag.com/online/compton_c04_01.html
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> >
>
> Wow, you guys either have really cheap rent or expensive ram!!!
Back then (early 90s) we were paying 80ukp per megabyte. This equates
to about 130usd. My rent at that time was 220ukp (about 350usd) a month
for a single bedroom apartment.
Even today, prices for computer equipment in th
"Austin L. Denyer" wrote:
>
> Maybe, but at what price? It cost me (at the time) the equivalent of
> over six week's rent just to upgrade the machine from 4mb to 8mb RAM.
> Having to pay another three month's worth just to get to a hardware
> level that would support the OS was not economically
> > Well, when I tried it (which was a good few years ago now) Windoze
> > 3.1 was king, Win95 was still a dream project called Chicago, a
> > college student called Linus Torvalds had just started releasing a
> > (then very basic) Minix/unix clone on an unsuspecting world, and
> > my 486 with 8m
"Austin L. Denyer" wrote:
> > > There never was much support for OS/2. Comparatively few
> applications
> > > were ever ported, and (compared to the competition at the time) was
> a
> > > real resource hog.
> >
> > To what are you comparing it, specifically? Boot time was far quicker
> than
> >
> > OS/2 was not as hot as it could have been. I seem to recall having
to
> > set up endless parameters in config settings for every application.
> > This was WAY beyond the novice.
>
> Wow. I didn't have to do any of that. My workstation had it
preinstalled,
> but I found settings were easie
0, 2000 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] AGH!! Linux not ready for prime time (OS/2 user)
> I too am a newbie without any Linux programming knowledge whatsoever. And
> I'm very excited to begin many years of learning, code, functionality, and
> trulty appreciate the merits of going from
Greg,
1. Gates *bought* the first version of DOS.
IBM recruited M$ to write the OS for the IBM PC. With time running out, he
bought QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from some poor sap for $US
70,000 and repackaged it into MS-DOS.
No offence intended.
BTW, you are correct about the other
Hey Greg and Jeff,
>> Although gates must have stolen the concept and "basic inteface" from
>> another OS, IBM contracted Gates to write "DOS" in a deal that took place
>> after the huge company was made to wait an hour (yes, only an hour) by the
>> company in California that wrote CP/M.
> You a
85775-Original Message-From: =*= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:38 AMTo: Linux Newbie MandrakeSubject: Re: [newbie] AGH!! Linux not ready for prime time (OS/2 user)On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:>So for you two, you see Linux as a "puzzle" a
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
>So for you two, you see Linux as a "puzzle" and "challenge" to solve or
>something to
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
>So for you two, you see Linux as a "puzzle" and "challenge" to solve or
>something to keep you occuppied when you are bored on those cold wintery
>nights and have nothing to do. I can see the fun in that.
I happen to like the fact that my Linux box has be
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>
> > Jeff Malka wrote:
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> > > > Well...maybe Linux isn't for everyone, but then no OS is for
&g
a complicated puzzle to solve.
Different perspectives I guess.
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"Austin L. Denyer" wrote:
> > Jeff Malka wrote:
> >
> > > > Well...maybe Linux isn't for everyone, but then no OS is for
> everyone,
> > > IMO. Choice is good...
> > >
> > > It is, but for an OS to survive it must attract and "keep" a
> sufficient
> > > audience, Otherwise it might have the sam
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> I like Linux as it is. I don't give a shit about prime
> time. Linux is a learning experience, more like PBS. If it
> turns into Saturday morning cartoons, I'll go with something
> else. Call me a snob I don't care.
>
> BTW I am not a programmer.
>
> Phil
>
"Austin L. Denyer" wrote:
~~ snip ~~
>
> As for the decline, I seem to recall that the next release (which would
> have been FAR better) was originally a joint IBM/Micro$oft project. The
> two had a problem seeing eye to eye and Micro$oft pulled out.
> (Micro$oft then proceeded to remove all IB
> Jeff Malka wrote:
>
> > > Well...maybe Linux isn't for everyone, but then no OS is for
everyone,
> > IMO. Choice is good...
> >
> > It is, but for an OS to survive it must attract and "keep" a
sufficient
> > audience, Otherwise it might have the same fate as OS/2 which is
also an
> > excelle
Kathleen Dickason wrote:
>
> P.S.
>
> OS/2 does indeed rock. I used it when I first worked at IBM (dont work there
> anymore) and it was lovely. Then "upgraded" us all to Windows. Oh, the pain...
>
> Kathleen
hmm...just one of many blunders IBM has made in the last 20
years. I ho
> But learning is the best part of the OS.
> It is what makes it more fun to use than Windows, because anyone can fix
it
> without a $20,000 license for the source code, to see what makes it tick.
> And anyone can put in their code to make it better. Even if the code is
only
> an idea for a future
Greg Stewart wrote:
>
> Um...
>
> 1, Gates created the first version DOS.
---> snip
Greg: Actually, Gates didn't actually create the first DOS -- at least
not in the normal sense of "create". He bought it from a company called
Seattle Microsystems (I think that was their name). They had written
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> As someone who does not like to have MS stuff on my PCs but have to
b
Jeff Malka wrote:
> > Well...maybe Linux isn't for everyone, but then no OS is for everyone,
> IMO. Choice is good...
>
> It is, but for an OS to survive it must attract and "keep" a sufficient
> audience, Otherwise it might have the same fate as OS/2 which is also an
> excellent multiuser stab
I like Linux as it is. I don't give a shit about prime
time. Linux is a learning experience, more like PBS. If it
turns into Saturday morning cartoons, I'll go with something
else. Call me a snob I don't care.
BTW I am not a programmer.
Phil
--
Evil is that which one believes of others.
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From: Greg Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Well...semantics...
>
> Although gates must have stolen the concept and "basic inteface" fr
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> Jeff Malka wrote:
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> > As someone who does not like to have MS stuff on my PCs but have to
because
> > of the need of relating to the real business
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> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
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> >I too like Mandrake and I only chose dosemu as an example. Most of Linux
> >config also requires significant kno
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> When you ha
P.S.
OS/2 does indeed rock. I used it when I first worked at IBM (dont work there
anymore) and it was lovely. Then "upgraded" us all to Windows. Oh, the pain...
Kathleen
Jeff Malka wrote:
> As someone who does not like to have MS stuff on my PCs but have to because
> of the need of relating to the real business world, I was eager to try
> Linux. It really is great, especially for an open system. But I believe it
> still has a way to go before it can be used by
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> > >-Original Message-----
> > >From: Jeff Malka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2
Well...semantics...
Although gates must have stolen the concept and "basic inteface" from
another OS, IBM contracted Gates to write "DOS" in a deal that took place
after the huge company was made to wait an hour (yes, only an hour) by the
company in California that wrote CP/M.
--Greg
> Actually
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Jeff Malka wrote:
>I too like Mandrake and I only chose dosemu as an example. Most of Linux
>config also requires significant knowledge. A graphic config exists for
>many items (like in OS/2), but not for enough items - including dosemu.
A graphical config for dosemu? The
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> >From: Jeff Malka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:38 PM
> >To: Linu
> Um...
>
> 1, Gates created the first version DOS.
Um...
1. Gates !Bought! the first version of "MS"-DOS. First of all, DOS is the
Disk Operating System, so he was not the first to create one, not that he
did with MS-DOS. He, Balmer, and Allen bought their DOS and then licensed
it to IBM. Be
: Greg Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Um...
>
> 1, Gates created the first version DOS.
> 2. Gates wrotes the first two versions of OS/2.
>
bie Mandrake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> As someone who does not like to have MS stuff on my PCs but have to
because
> of the need of relating to the real business world, I was eager
Um...
1, Gates created the first version DOS.
2. Gates wrotes the first two versions of OS/2.
3. OS/2 would still be written by Gates if his head didn't explode and his
greed take take over.
Yes, Linux is not yet a viable all-round desktop OS, and needs quite a bit
of knowledgeable intervention
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