Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Mark Martin
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:53 AM, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > A more interesting question for this group, I think, is what > requirements need to put onto the projects delivering into OpenSolaris > consolidations so that those systems can work. Right now, I think we > have a possi

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Edward Pilatowicz
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:03:23PM +0200, Martin Bochnig wrote: > > when you invest your life, don't get paid, don't get recognition, then > you have a right to criticize. > sigh. at this point, what you call "criticizing" i call "whining". you seem to feel like you've personally been wronged by

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread James Carlson
Martin Bochnig writes: > Also: I'm not talking about getting "famous" like Madonna. It would be > very nice already, if _certain_ folks would stop throwing fish at me. > Or better: If the community would protect me from experiences like > that. I doubt that having others choose a different packagi

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Martin Bochnig
Glenn, thanks for your comments, they are very appreciated :) Only two points: I'm not talking about making or not making a fortune here, and it is unlikely that I expected anything like that. In that case I would probably have chosen a different job. What I am talking about is pure survival. Wi

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Martin Bochnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > p.s. OpenSolaris.com can continue to use IPS. It is their loss > (truly). I would not benefit at all if they ever switched to conary > (what they will never do, because they _cannot_ admit they made the > smallest thing wrong). I'm not the author of c

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Martin Bochnig
Hello Pawel, when you invest your life, don't get paid, don't get recognition, then you have a right to criticize. I don't understand how you can interpret this as "aggressive and uncultured style of discuss". Those who only talk and chat and never contribute can obviously always be colorful, fan

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-24 Thread Paweł Tęcza
Martin Bochnig pisze: > You folks are talking, talking, talking. > I work on real code, but nobody wants to help me (in whatever[!]) way. > Rename it from "Developer community" to "chatting community". Hello Martin, Are you surprised? I'm not. I was watching that long and hot thread and my comme

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:51:20 -0500 Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First of all, with OpenSolaris 2008.x, I think you'll see far more >> software packaged, and secondly, far more of it will be up-to-date. > > Yes, b

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Martin Bochnig
Building src inside conary, sample output: # conary emerge --no-deps zlib:source + Methods called: Zlib.setup + Building [EMAIL PROTECTED]:devel[] warning: Could not find the following troves needed to cook this recipe: bash:runtime binutils:devellib binutils:lib binutils:runtime bzip2:runtime c

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First of all, with OpenSolaris 2008.x, I think you'll see far more software > packaged, and secondly, far more of it will be up-to-date. That may be, but I have been hearing that for the better part of a decade, so I'll no

Re: [osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Mike Meyer
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:51:20 -0500 Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First of all, with OpenSolaris 2008.x, I think you'll see far more > software packaged, and secondly, far more of it will be up-to-date. Yes, but will it be packaged in usable form, or will it be configured to work on a

[osol-discuss] [OT] was Re: The future of the IPS system

2008-10-23 Thread Shawn Walker
Fredrich Maney wrote: > I would submit that in the desktop realm, you would be correct. > However, in my experience in the server realm, custom builds are > pretty common. For example, until very recently (like the last 2 > years), I've rarely seen anyone run the Sun provided BIND, Sendmail or > Ap