Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-04 Thread Moinak Ghosh
ken mays wrote: Anyone for OpenMotif v2.3 ? I have a patched version of OpenMotif 2.3 that I built for BeleniX. I patched it to make it more compatible with Solaris Motif. This is required to get Java AWT and Swing working on a opensolaris distro. If you are interested, the

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-04 Thread Martin Bochnig
Moinak Ghosh wrote: ken mays wrote: Anyone for OpenMotif v2.3 ? I have a patched version of OpenMotif 2.3 that I built for BeleniX. I patched it to make it more compatible with Solaris Motif. This is required to get Java AWT and Swing working on a opensolaris distro.

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hi all But shouldn't Polaris start out with a less complex WM (rather than a huge Windowing Environment)? What about ICEwm, xfce or fvvwm2 (if not twm for the very beginning) ... If you need help to port XFce let me know :) But i think unfortunatly Polaris is yet far from starting

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
Hi WIlliam, fire that Pegasos up! The lift off sequence is underway! RB On Sep 3, 2006, at 4:57 PM, William Bonnet wrote: Hi Dennis If you read into that, if I may be blunt, there will be some really cool things happening and that means talented people also. I am still waiting to see

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hi Dennis If you read into that, if I may be blunt, there will be some really cool things happening and that means talented people also. I am still waiting to see the same things that you are. In the mean while we must not forget that a pile of time and work has been invested by Sun and

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Martin Bochnig
Dennis Clarke wrote: There has been a terrible lack of communication. That would be my fault and I really need to get a few things out before people linch me. I don't think I even spelled lynch correct there. (1) The team at Sun Labs is headed up by Tom Riddle and he has been real busy in

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I only have 4 weeks so called holidays left to create a distribution. Maybe you could share the code with me before it is ready to go public? marTux x86 / x64 can be release every minute, only improving details. Schillix Sparc is also

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Martin Bochnig
Joerg Schilling wrote: Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I only have 4 weeks so called holidays left to create a distribution. Maybe you could share the code with me before it is ready to go public? marTux x86 / x64 can be release every minute, only improving details.

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread ken mays
Anyone for OpenMotif v2.3 ? ~K __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Dennis Clarke
Anyone for OpenMotif v2.3 ? sure ! let me get your GNOME 2.14.3 test done first okay ? :-) -- Dennis Clarke ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-09-03 Thread Martin Bochnig
Martin Bochnig wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: [...] that a pile of time and work has been invested by Sun and Genesi. Dennis Clarke Sounds good. However, I only have 4 weeks so called holidays left to create a distribution. Maybe you could share the code with me before it is

[osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
re: http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/junk/openwin_desktop.png Is the old OpenWindows desktop code gone/closed forever ? Just curious as I give some thought to an initial desktop for Polaris. We know that OpenWindows was running on the PowerPC at some point in the past. Since we have the

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: Is the old OpenWindows desktop code gone/closed forever ? If any of the code is available then it may take another six months with legal to review it. For efficiency I may as well ask now. It's not lost - we know exactly where it is - but since it's not included in

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread ken mays
If Polaris is looking for a modern desktop then GNOME is preferred as it is supported by Sun JDS. I don't OpenWindows would be a viable option and it is no longer supported by Sun. I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well. ~ Ken Mays __ Do

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
If Polaris is looking for a modern desktop then GNOME is preferred as it is supported by Sun JDS. I don't OpenWindows would be a viable option and it is no longer supported by Sun. I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well. yes yes ... somewhere down the road. but not on day one. --

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
Dennis Clarke wrote: Is the old OpenWindows desktop code gone/closed forever ? If any of the code is available then it may take another six months with legal to review it. For efficiency I may as well ask now. It's not lost - we know exactly where it is - but since it's not included in

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread ken mays
If Polaris is looking for a modern desktop then GNOME is preferred as it is supported by Sun JDS. I don't OpenWindows would be a viable option and it is no longer supported by Sun. I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well. yes yes ... somewhere down the road. but not on day one. --

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: CDE is still fully supported in Solaris 10 Yes - I said nothing about support, but since there is no new development happening in CDE, there's no development process to open up. and will still be supported in a future release will it not ? Sun has not yet announced

Re: [powerpc-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Martin Bochnig
I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well. yes yes ... somewhere down the road. but not on day one. -- Dennis Clarke - Well, one day one we have to look at what is viable to the common user base which from the high-end are the GNOME/KDE desktops

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Rich Teer
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Sun has not yet announced which release the CDE EOF will occur in, but plans are well underway for it to occur. I hope the issues I (and other CDE users) have with GNOME/JDS are resolved before that happens. See my blog entry about the most

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
If Polaris is looking for a modern desktop then GNOME is preferred as it is supported by Sun JDS. I don't OpenWindows would be a viable option and it is no longer supported by Sun. I'd opt for KDE as something to use as well. yes yes ... somewhere down the road. but not on day one.

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread ken mays
--Previous message- CDE is still fully supported in Solaris 10 Yes - I said nothing about support, but since there is no new development happening in CDE, there's no development process to open up. and will still be supported in a future release will it not ? Sun has not

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Martin Bochnig
Alan Dennis, Would it be a consideration to start with a small window manager like WindowMaker, Fluxbox, Enlightenment or IceWM - and then work our way up to Sun JDS (GNOME) for Polaris? I think CDE and OpenWindows are just needed for the compatibility libraries for older commercial

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
ken mays wrote: I think CDE and OpenWindows are just needed for the compatibility libraries for older commercial apps - right? If you want to support third-party apps, what you really want is mainly just Motif, not all of CDE. Motif is quasi-open-source - you might be able to use it in

Re: CDE users problems with JDS/GNOME (was: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?)

2006-07-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Rich Teer wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Sun has not yet announced which release the CDE EOF will occur in, but plans are well underway for it to occur. I hope the issues I (and other CDE users) have with GNOME/JDS are resolved before that happens. See my blog entry

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: Have you dragged down Vermillion and the X Windows kit for OpenSolaris? Its larger than the whole OpenSolaris source by a large margin. Shh! Don't say that too loudly or you may damage the superiority complex of all the ON engineers! They might actually have to update

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread ken mays
-Previous post --- Well, one day one we have to look at what is viable to the common user base which from the high-end are the GNOME/KDE desktops and Xfce on the other. Otherwise, you start dealing with support issues and compatibility concerns. Maybe Genesi or the Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Glynn Foster
Dennis Clarke wrote: I think you have gone way beyond the scope of my inquiry. Of course the modern desktops need to be ported. However, at some point in the near future it would be _nice_ to not have to compile 100MB of source to get a desktop when there may be a 16MB solution laying

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
--Previous message- CDE is still fully supported in Solaris 10 Yes - I said nothing about support, but since there is no new development happening in CDE, there's no development process to open up. and will still be supported in a future release will it not ?

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
Alan Dennis, Would it be a consideration to start with a small window manager like WindowMaker, Fluxbox, Enlightenment or IceWM - and then work our way up to Sun JDS (GNOME) for Polaris? I think CDE and OpenWindows are just needed for the compatibility libraries for older commercial

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Dennis Clarke
Dennis Clarke wrote: Have you dragged down Vermillion and the X Windows kit for OpenSolaris? Its larger than the whole OpenSolaris source by a large margin. Shh! Don't say that too loudly or you may damage the superiority complex of all the ON engineers! They might actually have to

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Martin Bochnig
ppc: The new MSB Polaris port will never run any single of the vintage 2.5.1/2.6_ppc binaries. This also has the efefct, that nobody will ever depend on /usr/openwin/lib or /usr/dt/lib. I was merely looking for the sources to OpenWindows for Polaris. It may be easier to compile

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenWindows - How much is lost forever ?

2006-07-31 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Martin Bochnig wrote: ppc: The new MSB Polaris port will never run any single of the vintage 2.5.1/2.6_ppc binaries. This also has the efefct, that nobody will ever depend on /usr/openwin/lib or /usr/dt/lib. I was merely looking for the sources to OpenWindows for Polaris.