Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-21 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Knock it off you guys. If you want to have legitimate discussion of the merits of different platforms, by all means. But this is stupid. Please do jump ship, so you won't care about this mailing list anymore. Oh, what a hostility! Say Linux, and you're not an IT guy, but totally enemy! BTW, you

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry G. Kozhinov Knock it off you guys. If you want to have legitimate discussion of the merits of different platforms, by all means. But this is stupid. Please do jump

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-21 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jun 19, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: I would also heartily recommend *against* Ubuntu as a replacement Linux server OS. RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian, but Ubuntu is doing all the wrong things to take them seriously as a Server OS. That's because it's meant to be a desktop

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian Would you recommend Fedora? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Aurélien Larcher
Le 19/06/10 18:08, Mark Kaiman a écrit : I dont think its at all clear that OpenSolaris (or Solaris for that matter!) has a future under Oracle. They're as bad as Apple. Secretive. Uncommunicative. Leaving customers in the dark. Time to jump ship to Ubuntu? Time to provide something else

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Alexander
RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian Would you recommend Fedora? IMHO, it is positioned as desktop or feature-preview of RHEL-next. After living with Ubuntu on laptop for several years, I'm not satisfied with its stability in last two releases. So, maybe Debian would be more adequate even for

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread HeCSa
On 06/20/10 12:38 PM, Alexander wrote: RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian Would you recommend Fedora? IMHO, it is positioned as desktop or feature-preview of RHEL-next. After living with Ubuntu on laptop for several years, I'm not satisfied with its stability in last two

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/21/10 06:02 AM, HeCSa wrote: On 06/20/10 12:38 PM, Alexander wrote: RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian Would you recommend Fedora? IMHO, it is positioned as desktop or feature-preview of RHEL-next. After living with Ubuntu on laptop for several years, I'm not satisfied with its stability

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Mark Kaiman
I hope you're right and all of that is true. I dont want to see OpenSolaris become another orphan OS or another might have been. BTW, I use it as a desktop OS, not as a server. There are some things I have to use Windows 7 for, but most of my day to day computing tasks can be accomplished with

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry G. Kozhinov Would you recommend Fedora? From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Mark

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-20 Thread Alexander
I also recommend Debian for servers, CentOS when rpm based distros are preferred; and Linux Mint for the desktop. I recommend Solaris or OpenSolaris for servers, but what do I know? We use SXCE for two our servers, and they serve our needs. But these servers are hidden in intranet. In

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-19 Thread Mark Kaiman
I dont think its at all clear that OpenSolaris (or Solaris for that matter!) has a future under Oracle. They're as bad as Apple. Secretive. Uncommunicative. Leaving customers in the dark. Time to jump ship to Ubuntu? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-19 Thread Vladimir Novoseltsev
Go ahead! I would never go to Ubuntu unless I have no other options. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-19 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/19/2010 9:08 AM, Mark Kaiman wrote: I dont think its at all clear that OpenSolaris (or Solaris for that matter!) has a future under Oracle. They're as bad as Apple. Secretive. Uncommunicative. Leaving customers in the dark. Time to jump ship to Ubuntu? It's been made *very* clear

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-14 Thread Brian Utterback
On 06/08/10 13:31, Jason King wrote: A fast-track case is describing more the review/approval process than how fast it's being putback. I'm sure there are many examples of fast-tracks that weren't integrated for many months (if not longer) from when they were filed. Sometimes never. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-10 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
My Oracle Support lists OpenSolaris and Solaris products. My Oracle Support Community only lists Solaris under Oracle Sun Technologies. They are probably not making a distinction between Solaris (product) and the OpenSolaris binary distribution (product). As far as OpenSolaris.org (the open

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-10 Thread ken mays
Manager with an Etch-A-Sketch. Shake often, ~ Ken Mays --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com wrote: From: Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-10 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
I have no worries if OpenSolaris and Solaris will have a future under Oracle. It's clear that both of them will. I was merely contributing information on how My Oracle Support and My Oracle Support Community websites show OpenSolaris and Solaris. Websites which I've only gained access to this

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-09 Thread Bayard Bell
Trying to say that it's someone else's fault that you find implausible and prejudicial interpretations of news items to post here on a nearly daily basis is another way of saying that you consider yourself a well-intentioned troll, flippant disinterest in facts or prospects for genuinely

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D where is it on this list without havig to click on any thing else like openoffice.org, i don't have to click on anything else to find openoffice.org: Sun Java Communications Suite Oracle

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Thommy M . Malmström
And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D where is it on this list without havig to click on any thing else like openoffice.org, i don't have to click on anything else to find openoffice.org: Give it up, will you? We've heard

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D where is it on this list without havig to click on any thing else like openoffice.org, i don't have to click on anything else to find openoffice.org: Give it up, will

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Svein Skogen
On 08.06.2010 08:53, Thommy M. Malmström wrote: And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D where is it on this list without havig to click on any thing else like openoffice.org, i don't have to click on anything else to find

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
If you want to spread fear about oracle opensolaris, find something concrete you can talk about instead. Like They just laid off half the development team or you know ... something worth while. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
On 08.06.2010 08:53, Thommy M. Malmström wrote: And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D where is it on this list without havig to click on any thing else like openoffice.org, i don't have to click on anything else to

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Bayard Bell
Come on, Chicken Little, probably? Are all things that you are otherwise pre-disposed to believe probable? There are no announced details on numbers, but the Register seems to think this is about operational staff in Europe and Asia (not that I want to promote their authority, but to the extent

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
Come on, Chicken Little, probably? Are all things that you are otherwise pre-disposed to believe probable? There are no announced details on numbers, but the Register seems to think this is about operational staff in Europe and Asia (not that I want to promote their authority, but to the

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread russell
Looking through http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/ there appear to a large number of items which are being fast tracked. Is Oracle pushing for the next release of OpenSolaris to include more updates before release? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
Opensolaris next is frozen, it doesn't matter how many fasttracks were approved. And perhaps, those fasttracks were actually fasttracks to begin with... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:05 PM, russell str...@willows7.myzen.co.uk wrote: Looking through http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/ there

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Jason King
A fast-track case is describing more the review/approval process than how fast it's being putback. I'm sure there are many examples of fast-tracks that weren't integrated for many months (if not longer) from when they were filed. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:05 PM, russell

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-08 Thread Edward Martinez
Looking through http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/ there appear to a large number of items which are being fast tracked. Is Oracle pushing for the next release of OpenSolaris to include more updates before release? they may? I do hope a release comes out of this. but one thing

[osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.html the following open source software,execpt for opensolaris have already received

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Paul Gress
If you follow one link: Operating Systems Sun Solaris Oracle Solaris Clicking on Oracle Solaris http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/solaris/index.html You'll see listed ORACLE SOLARIS PRODUCTS * Oracle Solaris * OpenSolaris So you proved Opensolaris is

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/7/2010 3:04 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.html the following open source

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
If you follow one link:br br Operating Systemsbr Sun Solaris nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Oracle Solarisbr br Clicking on Oracle Solarisbr br a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storag e/solaris/index.htmlhttp://www.oracle.com/us/product

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Aurélien Larcher
Le 08/06/10 00:04, Edward Martinez a écrit : it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.html But if you go to the Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
On 6/7/2010 3:04 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.h tml the following open

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Edward Martinez wrote: But they sure went to all the trouble to make a distinction between oracle open office and openoffice by also adding openoffice.org to the list. they could of just added a openoffice.org link to oracle open office page, but decided not to. manangement is making

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Martinez it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.h tml LOL Use Ctrl-F and type in solaris you'll see it about 2/3

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
Le 08/06/10 00:04, Edward Martinez a écrit : it appears this is the lsit of SUN's former software Oracle deems important, OpenSolaris is not included but virtualbox,openoffice,netbeans, mysql are http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/sun-products-map-075562.h tml But if you go to the

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Martinez LOL Use Ctrl-F and type in solaris you'll see it about 2/3 the way down. Solaris is listed, and if you click that link, opensolaris is considered

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Edward Martinez
Edward Martinez wrote: But they sure went to all the trouble to make a distinction between oracle open office and openoffice by also adding openoffice.org to the list. they could of just added a openoffice.org link to oracle open office page, but decided not to. manangement is

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread devsk
And the FUD continues... Opensolaris is on the product map for sure as the OP pointed out...:-D -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Hillel Lubman
Alan Coopersmith wrote: You'd prefer the strong statement of rushing out a buggy, incomplete release instead of getting it right? Image is more important than functionality and usability? This is an normal reason for release delay. But why can't development builds be published as usual

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread John Plocher
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Hillel Lubman shtetl...@gmail.com wrote: Is the reason a secret, or no one simply knows the answer? The obvious 3rd choice is that the reasons for the delays are known, but Oracle forbids its employees from publicly commenting about the details of any yet to be

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Software Product Map- opensolaris not included

2010-06-07 Thread Hillel Lubman
On 07/06/2010 21:55, John Plocher wrote: The obvious 3rd choice is that the reasons for the delays are known, but Oracle forbids its employees from publicly commenting about the details of any yet to be released products, under pain of discipline and potential employment termination. That