Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread leliel
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Miro Collas miro.col...@gmail.com wrote: How about bbeing able to just type it in? Why a slider, or mouse wheel, which is inaccurate? How about being able to type it in chat? Instead of a one off thing just for the draw distance, I'd rather we had a general

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Serra Anansi
I like the command line in emerald, you just type in dd 512 and it's done. ((I really like all the command lines in emerald. Took me a bit to get used to them, but after I did I am really missing them now that I came back to V2 to give it another go while you all are working on it.)) On Sun,

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Aidan Thornton
On 8/22/10, Phox p...@modularsystems.sl wrote: The website in question suffered no ill effects, and to imply that loading a .php and a few images is an attempt at DDOS is just ridiculous, our login page consists of a .php script a hi-res picture, and our website doesn't go down as a result.

[opensource-dev] Login Pic

2010-08-22 Thread aklo
So, is it fixable? Is there some way to change the Snowglobe login channel? Or can the server be configured to respond to the channel Snowglobe already has? Or is this just something Snowglobe users should not care about? For reals, it's not important, but i miss it, the pics are a nice

Re: [opensource-dev] SSH authentication

2010-08-22 Thread Robin Cornelius
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Nicky Perian nickyper...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you do this in windows. Can you take your local key from Linux? Yes, but you need the full key not just the public key. Puttygen part of the putty ssh suite has the ability to import/export OpenSSL keys as well

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread leliel
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Miro Collas miro.col...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I referring to, the command line commands. VERY handy! And dd is one I use a great deal. The problem I have with that is that the draw distance is only one of several debug settings that affect performance.

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Miro Collas
That makes sense yes. I wasn't asking for Emerald to be copied, which is why my initial response to the issue was vague. But the basic idea is nice, I think: a nice, fast and easy way to set parameters without having to use clumsy sliders and navigate pages of dialog boxes, all via the command

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Robin Cornelius
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, leliel leliel.mir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Miro Collas miro.col...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I referring to, the command line commands. VERY handy! And dd is one I use a great deal. /set RenderFarClip 128 /set

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Opensource Obscure
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:36:18 +0100, Robin Cornelius robin.cornel...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, leliel leliel.mir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Miro Collas miro.col...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I referring to, the command line commands. VERY

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Martin Spernau
I like a lot leliel's suggestion about Windlight control via commandline, especially because I guess that would evolve into gestures = tradeable assets (correct?) Assuming that everyone using that gesture has the same windlight prefs installed, probably yes. That's also assuming that the

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread leliel
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Robin Cornelius robin.cornel...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a powerful idea, is there a new feature JIRA for this on the LL pJIRA currenty? if not could I kindly ask you to create one for it and post the issue number back here.

Re: [opensource-dev] Login Pic

2010-08-22 Thread Boroondas Gupte
On 08/22/2010 10:09 AM, a...@skyhighway.com wrote: So, is it fixable? Yes, but the proper fix would be server side, so we volunteers can't do it. (Except we would create our own login page altogether and point the viewer at that. Dunno how good an idea that would be.) Is there some way to

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Ann Otoole
I hate replying to a policy thread here but will make this one time exception for my humble input for LL's consideration: What I think LL should consider is something in the TPV policy that prohibits any tpv from connecting to any non LL server for any reason when a LL grid is selected for

[opensource-dev] SVN dead at LL?

2010-08-22 Thread Gareth Nelson
In the subject really - is subversion just dead now? -- “Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” - Printcrime by Cory Doctrow Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See

Re: [opensource-dev] SVN dead at LL?

2010-08-22 Thread Boroondas Gupte
On 08/22/2010 02:32 PM, Gareth Nelson wrote: In the subject really - is subversion just dead now? Define dead. The server is still up and running and I guess it'll stay like that for the foreseeable future. About the code hosted there, and the projects behind that: * I assume there will be

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Aidan Thornton
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Ann Otoole missannoto...@yahoo.com wrote: What I think LL should consider is something in the TPV policy that prohibits any tpv from connecting to any non LL server for any reason when a LL grid is selected for login. This simple policy, if correctly followed,

Re: [opensource-dev] SVN dead at LL?

2010-08-22 Thread Gareth Nelson
So basically, server is still up but no updates, that pretty much answers my question On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Boroondas Gupte slli...@boroon.dasgupta.ch wrote: On 08/22/2010 02:32 PM, Gareth Nelson wrote: In the subject really - is subversion just dead now? Define dead. The server

[opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Simon Disk
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Phox p...@modularsystems.sl wrote: (Since then, all additional metadata information has been removed from emkdu). The change in encryption was simply a result of inertia being able to decode the viewer window title information. It is my understanding that

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Will
Found this morning, forgive me for not noting where, but it puts it in context: Anonymous said... Why did they do that? Well, you may recall that Emerald (more specifically the libemkdu library in it) was caught leaking personally-identifiable information about its users in an encrypted form

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Marine Kelley
Please be careful not to screw up debug settings that must NOT be changed. Some are capital for the viewer to function normally, and would completely shut out users who don't know how to change them back offline, and to what. It would be easy to make a gesture that completely messes up your debug

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread JB Hancroft
Hi Ann, You suggested: * What I think LL should consider is something in the TPV policy that prohibits any tpv from connecting to any non LL server for any reason when a LL grid is selected for login.* I'd change that to require that any TPV *disclose* the specifics of any and all non-LL servers

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Gareth Nelson
Being listed in the directory is a sign that viewer devs have self-certified compliance, but it's also an unconcious sign to users that the viewer is legit, even if not intended. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:56 PM, JB Hancroft jbhancr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ann, You suggested:  What I think LL

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Lance Corrimal
related line of thought: how much faster could the viewer be if every single of these do not change this ever settings was replaced with a #define in a central include file? or in other words, what is the cpu cycle penalty for a SavedSettings.getBOOL() and the others? bye, LC Am Sunday

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Argent Stonecutter
On 2010-08-22, at 10:14, Lance Corrimal wrote: Am Sunday 22 August 2010 schrieb Marine Kelley: Please be careful not to screw up debug settings that must NOT be changed. Some are capital for the viewer to function normally [...] could someone please elaborate on why those settings even exist

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Martin
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, JB Hancroft jbhancr...@gmail.com wrote: If the TPVP really matters, we'll see Emerald shut down from the TPVP program, because of this accumulated nonsense. If not, then it confirms that it's all just a paper chase. actually lets see whats going on here 1 the

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread dilly dobbs
this has been put many ways and this is the clearest it can be put. FC quits, hands off to Arabella (read the sandbox dialogs to gauge her reliability), FC creates new account with new name, make some meaningless webserver changes, FC comes back with a new name, lather/rinse/repeat. They have

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Jesse Barnett
Fractured has stepped down and out of the Emerald picture http://blog.modularsystems.sl/2010/08/22/emerald-off-with-his-head/ But it is painfully obvious that the comments are being heavily moderated and I know that neither of mine have gotten through. The Phox is still in the hen house and it

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread L. Christopher Bird
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jesse Barnett jess...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring this and giving the all clear with no other action taken on the part of Linden Lab will instead demonstrate that the TPV is a worthless scrap of paper. Correction, it only exist on paper if printed. The

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Lance Corrimal
Am Sunday 22 August 2010 schrieb L. Christopher Bird: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jesse Barnett jess...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring this and giving the all clear with no other action taken on the part of Linden Lab will instead demonstrate that the TPV is a worthless scrap of paper.

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Andrew Simpson
oh.. what this mean? we cant use emerald anymore? On 22/08/2010 2:01 PM, Lance Corrimal wrote: Am Sunday 22 August 2010 schrieb L. Christopher Bird: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jesse Barnettjess...@gmail.com wrote: Ignoring this and giving the all clear with no other action taken on

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Gareth Nelson
As they shouldn't be! Although one does wonder whether users are now at risk of being banned if they keep using it On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Lance Corrimal lance.corri...@eregion.de wrote: Am Sunday 22 August 2010 schrieb L. Christopher Bird: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jesse

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Will
They may be waiting to make a formal announcement before they pull the plug on the viewer- didn't they make a policy of not allowing any viewer to connect that wasn't on the list? I think so- -- From: Gareth Nelson gar...@garethnelson.com Sent:

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Gareth Nelson
There isn't anything in the policy itself which says you must be listed, there is however a note on the directory page warning users to be wary of unlisted viewers. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Will wdema...@verizon.net wrote: hmm ok I may be wrong but remember a rush to update viewers from

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Sythos
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:10:00 +0100 Gareth Nelson gar...@garethnelson.com wrote: There isn't anything in the policy itself which says you must be listed, there is however a note on the directory page warning users to be wary of unlisted viewers. wait... TPV listing is based on volunteer

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Sythos
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:30:55 -0500 Brandon Husbands xot...@gmail.com wrote: As a X-emerald Dev (I am Dimentox) Most of the stuff people are saying that is going on or has gone on.. Most of the other devs had no idea. We just did our parts to make the viewer better. I left due to the fact that

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:10:00 +0100, Gareth Nelson wrote: There isn't anything in the policy itself which says you must be listed, there is however a note on the directory page warning users to be wary of unlisted viewers. Which is a non-sence. Quoting the TPV policy: 6. The Viewer

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Will
Then this is confusing, to be listed you have to within the policy approved for lack of a better word: Someone please clarify- If a Third-Party Viewer or your use or distribution of it violates this Policy or any Linden Lab policy, your permission to access Second Life using the Third-Party

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Sythos
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:40:26 +0200 Henri Beauchamp sl...@free.fr wrote: There isn't anything in the policy itself which says you must be listed, there is however a note on the directory page warning users to be wary of unlisted viewers. Which is a non-sence. sorry cannot

Re: [opensource-dev] Login Pic

2010-08-22 Thread Boroondas Gupte
I don't know. If in doubt, search the string (or parts of it, in case it gets constructed on-the-fly) in the config files and edit it there. If that too doesn't help, search it in the source. Probably creators of TPVs can tell you more, as they have to handle that issue anyway. cheers Boroondas

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Miro Collas
I was hoping for something first hand - like a post by her or some other member of the Emerald team. Sorry, but so many things have been written that are not supported by evidence. Like videos of chats logs: text can be altered so that's hardly reliable, solid evidence of anything. On

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Brandon Husbands
As a X-emerald Dev (I am Dimentox) Most of the stuff people are saying that is going on or has gone on.. Most of the other devs had no idea. We just did our parts to make the viewer better. I left due to the fact that i did not have time to continue to work on the project. Unfortunately a few bad

Re: [opensource-dev] RenderVolumeLODfactor (branch from Draw Distance)

2010-08-22 Thread leliel
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Trilo Byte trilobyte5...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it would be nice if RenderVolumeLODfactor could either persist from one version to the next (instead of getting reset with everey new version installation), or be set based on GPU detection. Put it in the

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread malachi
i dont think emerald is TPV compliant. data mining, DDoS attacks, User data leakage. clearly they have violated not only the TOS but the TPV. so no emerald IS NOT TPV Compliant. On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:55:56 -0400, Altair Sythos Memo syt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:30:55

Re: [opensource-dev] display names = the end of 1.x viewers?

2010-08-22 Thread Joshua Bell
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Argent Stonecutter secret.arg...@gmail.com wrote: That's one thing Blue Mars does better. Your actual login identification is by an email address they don't share with anyone, so there's no collection of login names available for bulk attacks. I really

Re: [opensource-dev] Draw Distance

2010-08-22 Thread Laurent Bechir
Marine Kelley a écrit : Please be careful not to screw up debug settings that must NOT be changed. Some are capital for the viewer to function normally, and would completely shut out users who don't know how to change them back offline, and to what. Wouldn't it be possible to have an

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Miro Collas
Yes she did. Here's the interview from treet.tv: http://treet.tv/people/gracer/blog/20100822/audio-excerpt-interview-arabella-and-jessica See also: http://blog.modularsystems.sl/2010/08/22/emerald-resurgence/ On 08/23/2010 12:17 AM, Tateru Nino wrote: Sure do. Although apparently she un

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Tateru Nino
And now, perhaps, we can get back to the important stuff, like the viewer itself. ;) On 23/08/2010 3:15 PM, Miro Collas wrote: Yes she did. Here's the interview from treet.tv: http://treet.tv/people/gracer/blog/20100822/audio-excerpt-interview-arabella-and-jessica See also: http