Peter Flodin wrote:
On 6/4/06, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
houghi wrote:
What else can we do then point out each time we see a technical
discussion
starting? My idea is to kill this list, as it already is lost and
make a
new one: opensuse-community.
I don't think changing the list
On Saturday 03 June 2006 21:42, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:23:21PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I truly do not. I see no need whatsoever to have an email forum
about the community.
OK. so you do not think that the community as such needs anything
else?
My god. What does
On 6/4/06, houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I will try another aproach:
The openSUSE community is the group of people that are involved,
directly or indirectly, in the openSUSE project.
I think that it is classic that you have in the space of one post,
changed your definition of what the
Am Sunday 04 June 2006 00:34 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 15:45, schreef Pascal Bleser:
The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command:
smart --install channel-whatever name
It's even easier to provide .channel files somewhere
Randall R Schulz wrote:
My god. What does the community need to discuss that's not what it's
working on? Is this some kind of social club? Please give me some
examples of non-technical, non-product issues that are pertinent topics
of discussion in your conception of this list's charter.
Op zondag 4 juni 2006 00:34, schreef Pascal Bleser:
I think that the buildserver could build/create a channel rpm for each
project and have those stored in a central place. This would be a good
start.
It won't be in a central place, unfortunately.
In my phrase above, I referred to the
houghi wrote:
Not wanting to highjack a thread, I start a new one. People having issues
with the wording of my standard reply, please tell me *here* what it
should be. As I believe this is (unfortunatly) on-topic here, I won't
reply to any personal mails concerning this subject.
What else
Houghi do a very goos job with his moderating messages.
But may be messages signed houghi seems too personal
initiative, newcommers can't know how long was the houghi's
engagement for openSUSE.
I think Novell should give Houghi an e-mail as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (or something
similar) for that
Peter Flodin wrote:
So my vote is that if we want a list to only discuss community lets
create [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then delete
opensuse@opensuse.org
anyway it can do no harm, try it :-)
jdd
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Am Sonntag, 4. Juni 2006 01:47 schrieb Andreas Hanke:
I'm not sure that using these packages really helps finding and fixing
bugs for the next release. The best and maybe even the only way to do
that is using factory.
You are saying that using factory 10.2 (most bleeding edge, as
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Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Sunday 04 June 2006 00:34 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
Richard Bos wrote:
...
The best place to host those channel rpms are of course suse itself as
they get than mirrored automatically. But as you already stated that
might
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 02:38:25AM +0200, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:02:32AM +0200, Jerry Westrick wrote:
Maybe we can cross post the users message for them?
with a note like that is a lot shorter? Something like:
I would like that. I think however it is not possible to do it
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jdd wrote:
Houghi do a very good job with his moderating messages.
But may be messages signed houghi seems too personal initiative,
newcomers can't know how long was the houghi's engagement for openSUSE.
I think Novell should give Houghi an e-mail
Randall R Schulz wrote:
My god. What does the community need to discuss that's not what it's
working on? Is this some kind of social club? Please give me some
examples of non-technical, non-product issues that are pertinent topics
of discussion in your conception of this list's charter.
houghi wrote:
Not wanting to highjack a thread, I start a new one. People having issues
with the wording of my standard reply, please tell me *here* what it
should be. As I believe this is (unfortunatly) on-topic here, I won't
reply to any personal mails concerning this subject.
What else
Hi,
Sven Burmeister schrieb:
You are saying that using factory 10.2 (most bleeding edge, as somebody
called
it) for SuSE 10.0 is less risky than the Build-Service?
No.
A KDE-bug will be in the build-service, as well as in the factory-packages,
so
it does not matter which ones one
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Andreas Hanke wrote:
No, really: Yesterday I had a closer look at what is currently there in
the build service just to find out that the amarok package from there is
19 MB compressed and ca. 100 MB on disk after installation. Guess why,
it is
On Saturday 03 June 2006 1:25 pm, houghi wrote:
My idea is to just kill off this list and make a new opensuse-community
Untill then or another solution arises, I will keep posting to go to the
correct place.
You can run but you can't hide... No matter how you label this list the tech
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 04:21:35PM +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
Instead of fighting against all this, as said in other thread, I think
the community specific discussions should be in a new list called
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This list can then be deleted.
This has been an issue since the beginning
Hi,
Pascal Bleser schrieb:
That's the reason why the spec files in the Build Service currently
don't use the %debug_package macro and, hence, include debug symbols in
the binaries.
Thanks for the hint, I'll subscribe to [opensuse-buildservice]. ;)
Andreas Hanke
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:15:04PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
snip
SuSE Linux
snip
Since a long time it is SUSE Linux. Perhaps the people at SUSE could do a
grep on SuSE in documentation and see where it still says SuSE and not
SUSE when refereing to the product.
houghi
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This openSUSE
Graham,
On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:23, Graham Anderson wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:15, Randall R Schulz wrote:
My god. What does the community need to discuss that's not what
it's working on? Is this some kind of social club? Please give me
some examples of non-technical, non-product
On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:58, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:15:04PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
snip
SuSE Linux
snip
Since a long time it is SUSE Linux. Perhaps the people at SUSE could
do a grep on SuSE in documentation and see where it still says SuSE
and not SUSE when
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:58:11PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
May be this way Houghi's messages will have more power?
No, I really don't think so, and I sure hope that's not necessary.
I would then feel pbligatory to do things and I want to do it because I
want to, not because I have to,
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 07:59:21AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I don't believe I suffer from that confusion at all, and that's not the
answer I'm trying to get.
And there lies the problem. You asked a question and determined what the
answer should be or should be like and untill you have
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:01:22AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:58, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:15:04PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
snip
SuSE Linux
snip
Since a long time it is SUSE Linux. Perhaps the people at SUSE could
do a grep on
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:46:50AM -0500, S Glasoe wrote:
Maybe if you weren't so quick others of us would be able to issue the same
'help message' and then it would look like the community is responding not
just one person.
Let us see if this actually happens. :-)
houghi
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On Sunday 04 June 2006 08:14, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 07:59:21AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I don't believe I suffer from that confusion at all, and that's not
the answer I'm trying to get.
And there lies the problem. You asked a question and determined what
the answer
On Sunday 04 June 2006 08:18, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:01:22AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 07:58, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:15:04PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
snip
SuSE Linux
snip
Since a long time it is SUSE Linux.
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:27:40AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
It is not that the answer was not to my liking, it was that the answer
was not given.
And just before you said: And while Graham has actually answered my
question
So was the aswer give or was the answer not given?
houghi
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On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:28:57AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Since a long time it is SUSE Linux. Perhaps the people at SUSE
could do a grep on SuSE in documentation and see where it still
says SuSE and not SUSE when refereing to the product.
That's not a mistake on my part.
On Sunday 04 June 2006 08:47, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:27:40AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
It is not that the answer was not to my liking, it was that the
answer was not given.
And just before you said: And while Graham has actually answered my
question
So was the
On Sunday 04 June 2006 08:51, houghi wrote:
...
Or is it some joke I don't get, ...
Probably.
Then please elaborate. I am willing to learn.
Jokes that need to be explained are failures.
houghi
RRS
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On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:55:46AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
By him, at long last, but not by you. You made eight posts in this
thread and never once gave the definition I asked for.
I think I did. Sorry if you did not like it.
houghi
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This openSUSE mailinglist is about the
On Sunday 04 June 2006 09:10, houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:55:46AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
By him, at long last, but not by you. You made eight posts in this
thread and never once gave the definition I asked for.
I think I did. Sorry if you did not like it.
You just
The best description of community I ever found is from our
friendly-competition - Fedora:
http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html
Look:
Objectives of Fedora Core:
1.
Create a complete general-purpose operating system with
capabilities equivalent to competing operating systems,
Hi all,
after all the eMails about Community and what this could be, this list
and how to handle technical questens and to ask for some kind of
moderations, I just want to give you my point of view of it.
first at all:
Who I am:
My name is thomas, living in berlin, germany. I'm on this list
On 2006-06-04 12:31:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
Houghi do a very goos job with his moderating messages.
But may be messages signed houghi seems too personal
initiative, newcommers can't know how long was the houghi's
engagement for openSUSE.
I think Novell should give Houghi an e-mail as
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:11:29PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
1. your on join warning could be easily integrated into the
mailinglist messages send on join. ask henne.
OK. Henne?
2. instead of directly spamming you are wrong here post something
like:
try this and that. that
T. Lodewick wrote:
I've had that situation myself a lot of times, and the only way to find
answers was to read every thread that looks like it could be the right
one ( but that was often not the way ).
the better search function I know for that sake is google
site search.
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 11:08:16PM +0200, jdd wrote:
T. Lodewick wrote:
I've had that situation myself a lot of times, and the only way to find
answers was to read every thread that looks like it could be the right
one ( but that was often not the way ).
the better search function I know
Søndag 04 juni 2006 08:21 skrev Peter Flodin:
People are confused. The market is confused. Novell even refers to
openSUSE as a distro.
It is therefore totally understandable why OT posts happen this list,
as the definition of what is On-topic is obviously not clear.
Education is of limited
On Sunday 04 June 2006 14:35, houghi wrote:
...
The only drawback is that it does not work. Try searching for the
postings about backups on the openSUSE list. I am specificaly looking
the message about storeBackup and the explanation and examples
somebody gave.
On Sunday 04 June 2006 14:55, Martin Schlander wrote:
...
We have to fight against this - the alternative is worse. We already
have people thinking that SUSE and OpenSUSE are two different distros
(including Randall apparently). ...
I've written nothing that would suggest such a
Mandag 05 juni 2006 00:58 skrev Randall R Schulz:
We have to fight against this - the alternative is worse. We already
have people thinking that SUSE and OpenSUSE are two different distros
(including Randall apparently). ...
I've written nothing that would suggest such a misunderstanding.
houghi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 08:11:29PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
1. your on join warning could be easily integrated into the
mailinglist messages send on join. ask henne.
OK. Henne?
2. instead of directly spamming you are wrong here post something
like:
try
On Sunday 04 June 2006 16:21, Martin Schlander wrote:
...
Maybe this extract from the OpenSUSE.org frontpage will clarify
things:
Here at openSUSE.org, you'll find a community of developers, end
users, and other open source enthusiasts who all have the same goal
in mind. We work together
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 06:30:37PM -0500, Jim Flanagan wrote:
I did read a recent post on suse-linux-e indicating that better
information and explanations to all the packaging changes in 10.1 could
be found over here on the opensuse lists, or at least the
opensuse-factory list and irc.
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 16:21, Martin Schlander wrote:
...
Maybe this extract from the OpenSUSE.org frontpage will clarify
things:
Here at openSUSE.org, you'll find a community of developers, end
users, and other open
On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 19:01 +0200, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 10:27:08AM -0400, BandiPat wrote:
Hi all,
Just finished doing the updates for KDE3 and associated files, but
noticed a little problem.
snip
Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:04, Pascal Bleser wrote:
...
Randall, could you just please stop being so aggressive...
You think _I_ am being aggressive? I'm not the one throwing boilerplate
spam in the face of everyone who posts a technical question telling
them to go away.
It took me forever
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:04, Pascal Bleser wrote:
...
Randall, could you just please stop being so aggressive...
You think _I_ am being aggressive? I'm not the one throwing boilerplate
spam in the face of everyone who
Hi,
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:04, Pascal Bleser wrote:
...
What the hell is going on here?
Stop this thread please now.
I feel we should create [EMAIL PROTECTED] with an elisa
intelligence which does convince every poster
On Sunday 04 June 2006 18:55, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:04, Pascal Bleser wrote:
...
What the hell is going on here?
Stop this thread please now.
There sure are a lot of censors on this
Hello all,
This is my first posting and I hope I'm doing it in the right place. I am
pretty new to linux; I've used Kubuntu and Xandros and so far SUSE has been
the best over all by far!
Anyway, I am dual booting Windows XP Pro and SUSE Linux 10.1 on a DELL
Inspiron 6000. I have an Intel
Hi,
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 18:55, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 17:04, Pascal Bleser wrote:
...
What the hell is going on here?
Stop this thread please now.
On Sunday 04 June 2006 22:14, Aaron J. Shafenberg wrote:
Hello all,
This is my first posting and I hope I'm doing it in the right place.
I am pretty new to linux; I've used Kubuntu and Xandros and so far
SUSE has been the best over all by far!
Anyway, I am dual booting Windows XP Pro
Thanks for the resources!
Aaron J. Shafenberg | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shafenberg.com
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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:26 PM
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Help... My Wireless Card isn't working!
On Sunday 04
On Sunday 04 June 2006 22:17, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
[...]
Yes. Cheers to you for the suggestion that we shoot ourselves.
I love you, too.
This fucking sarcasm or indirectness is really destroying any
community efforts.
Maybe you are a superior intelligence, but please respect: not
Hi,
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 22:36, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
[...]
This discussion is growing as foolish as I never thougt was possible
between humans.
So go one step away from your screen, breathe the fresh air, and
AFTER that reflect if it is good to
On Sunday 04 June 2006 23:38, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
So what are you expecting constructive from this thread?
Since hours there was nothing.
But it is extremely nerving if one after the other suspicious
creature is feeling forced to stuble into this thread.
So fuck off here, please.
Hi,
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006, BandiPat wrote:
So the rest of us should just hold our opinions because you have the
foulest mouth and worst attitude? I don't think that will happen. If
your self control is so weak and you are so weak minded as to presume
because you throw a lot of trash out of your
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