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>>additional tests to
>>convert it OCP7, took the two upgrades for 8 and 8i
>>respectively. I
>>never studied for the tests, in fact, I took them on
>>the spur of the
>>moment each time. I had never worked with 8 or 8i
>>when I took those
>>upgrades. so what does that tel
> additional tests to
> convert it OCP7, took the two upgrades for 8 and 8i
> respectively. I
> never studied for the tests, in fact, I took them on
> the spur of the
> moment each time. I had never worked with 8 or 8i
> when I took those
> upgrades. so what does that tell you?
tells me that you
John,
the thing that scares me about OCP is not that the technical interviews
won't catch people who don't know anything. If I can't tech someone and
find out that they just know what they studied for OCP, I shouldn't be
doing tech interviews.
What I find disturbing is when the HR department mak
Hi Rachel,
Now we are to the point, is it valuable? I say yes and I have studied for
and
passed the ocp for 7, upgraded to 8 and to 8i and will soon take the 9i upgrade
test. I also hold the Oracle 7 certification that was offered by Chauncey
before
the Oracle came out with the OCP. Others
John,
I have no objection to Oracle trying to make money (heck, I own stock,
I WANT and expect them to make money!)
The problem is not that they are trying to make money, but that this is
becoming something you HAVE to do/have to get a job working with
Oracle. And they haven't convinced me of th
they are moving in the right direction with the practicum exam
(although I'd want to know how practical the exam really is).
Unfortunately, it's also a way to sell education courses -- you ALSO
have to take TWO Oracle U classes.
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OCD = good drugs :) (obsessive compulsive disorder)
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> OCP, OCA, OCM, OCD = ?
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> How can you bring money?
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Wait a minute. I never said it was bad for companies to make
money. My past posts on microsoft should have made that clear. If
Oracle can get away with it, then hey, more power to them. My
point was that they are trying
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> From the website:
>
>--To become an
or and pass
> > the OCA, you cannot get the OCP certificat and recognition and you
> > cannot even take the OCM.
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> >
> >
> > --Chris
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Anyone CPIM?
Ken
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I'm OCSlave.
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Took the time and spent the money - I'm an OCM (Enterprise Scalable mojo).
Haven't had a need to flash the certificate at any interviews thus far
(possibly because I haven't interviewed), so it's been mostly for self
gratification. I got the Master certificate last year, so didn't have to
take an
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Oracle employees typically get Oracle training for free, esp. during times
when they are "idle" - whenever THAT happens.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems A
I'm OCSlave.
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I know some Oracle employees that have OCD.
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How many people
Well, there are at least 6 - from
http://www.tusc.com/oracle/news/20011203a.html
"Niemiec joins Dr. Paul Dorsey, David Ensor, Peter Koletzke, Scott Nelson
and Jeremiah Wilton in the first group of Oracle Certified Masters to be
recognized by Oracle Corp"
-Joe
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How many people outhere that you know do actually have
OCM. Not ORACLE employees.
Just curious...
Regards,
Viktor
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I know some Oracle employees that have OCD.
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How many people outhere that you know do actually have
OCM. Not ORACLE employees.
Just curious...
Regards,
Viktor
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>Of course, those of us who already have the OCP and want to be called a
>
How many people outhere that you know do actually have
OCM. Not ORACLE employees.
Just curious...
Regards,
Viktor
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> Maybe I am completely misreading this. However, I
> didn't see the 8 to 9 OCP
> upgrade and that is why I said, you'll have to take
Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
Maybe I am completely misreading this. However, I didn't see the 8 to 9 OCP upgrade and that is why I said, you'll have to take them over again. If I am completely out to lunch and this is just a re-org of the Masters and OCP and those 8 O
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Hmmm,Imagine that, a
publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I am
shockeddismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.
Chris, could you provide me with the list of companie
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Chris,
Am not clear
on this. To b an OCP, we require to pass 5 examsright ?? So, if we
getthe
OCP Associate
afterpassing 2 exams, we need to pass only another 3 e
Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
Actually, looks like to me that they simply revised
their Masters program. Its exactly
the
same requirements except they now added an exam at the end. Not to
many
folks
were going after the Master level except for the actual Oracle
employees
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ENRON
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Hmmm,
Imagine that, a publicly traded
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Oh yeah, that's absolutly the idea behind it. For Oracle to grab more money.
Personally I never gave a crap about certification. We don't need an entity like
Oracle or MS to tell us how much we know. We learn stuff because we love to
not because of the certificates. Yes, I do know the benefits
Some correction.. Please...
> and only showed that you had taken all of the courses within a
specific track.
and only showed that you had paid for all the courses within a specific
track and were present for 1st and the last day of the courses.
(
1st Day : to make sure your name was spell
Of course, those of us who already have the OCP and want to be called a
'master'
just need to take the 2 required courses and then the OCM exam.
When looking at the details, they just split the previous 5 exam OCP into
two tiers,
a 2 exam OCA, and a 2 exam OCP which has the OCA as a prerequisit
Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
Hmmm,
Imagine that, a publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I
am shocked
dismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.
Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies that are not trying
to make money?
I wa
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ChrisSubject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
From
the website:
--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass
all required exams --in your selected job role,
including those at the Associate level.
The
way I read that, y
OCP, OCA, OCM, OCD = ?
How can you bring money?
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Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:
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Chris,
Am not clear on
this. To b an OCP, we require to pass 5 examsright ?? So, if we get
the
OCP Associate after
passing 2 exams, we need to pass only another 3 exams for getting
OCP
They offered the Oracle Master certification before, I was told from Oracle
Canada two years ago that to earn it one had to have taken courses
specifically from Oracle.
I asked because they offered NT Core Technologies, and I had taken the same
course from a Microsoft-certified training center.
Dick,
I see value in the addition of the two levels of
certification.
With the addition of the OCA certification it will allow
"junior" DBA's to start on the read to successful certification. Learning and
understanding the basics of SQL and ADMIN should be promoted, displayed, and
rewarde
Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
Chris,
Am not clear on this.
To b an OCP, we require to pass 5 examsright ?? So, if we get
the
OCP Associate after passing
2 exams, we need to pass only another 3 exams for getting
OCP
or do we have to go through
all the 5 exams all over again
Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised
I'd say the cost is being raised. Look at the requirements for each. You can't just take the OCM exam. No we would first have to get the OCA. Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have it. Then, and only then, can we ta
To be honest, I think this is actually lowering the bar. Oracle finally
realized that the OCP has no value to an organization unless you induce the
word "Master". This has been taken from their former certification, the
Oracle Master's Certification, which was worthless and only showed that you
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