without layout.
What can I do to make this work?
Does anybody have a hint, please?
Peter
--
Peter Beck, JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsges.m.b.H.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:559)
Maybe we can have a look at it together.
On the orion mailing list there are not too many responses on that, I'm
afraid...
regards,
Peter
Eddie Post wrote:
> Hellu,
>
> Ok, so I had my Axis working under TomCat.
> I am now trying to have it work under Orion, which is what
I have indeed wondered myself, my post a few weeks highlighting a few
problems with Orion's UserManager, which I would've imagined a rather
serious problem and in need of attention. The clustering has never
worked flawlessy for me since first tried in 1.4.0.
My guess would be the involvement wit
nagement
>
>
> Hi Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> I was just wondering: In your search for user management methods have you ever
>come across a logout() method? It seems odd to me, that there is only a login method
>on the role-manager interface - if you are dea
Hi Randahl
Unfortunately no :( What we do is just call invalidate() on the session
object. I'm not sure if this would work in your case.
Regards,
Peter
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 01:08, Randahl Fink Isaksen wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
>
> I was just wondering: In your search for user m
Oops :) Missed the inner class inside SimpleUserManager, ignore comments
about missing methods in Orion interfaces, doh! :)
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 14:30, Peter van Rensburg wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm putting together a customer user manager for or
Does anyone know how to fix this? Or how
HttpServletRequest.isUserInRole() gets handled by Orion ?
I've search the mailing list archive and it seems that other users have
also encountered these problems but it never got sorted out ?
Many thanks for any assistance,
Peter
I found it useful to look at OrionServers console, under context; in
general, it seems all objects get exposed under the root context with their
full qualified pathname, in your case probably something like
context.lookup("com.epistemic.notification.NotificationFactory") or whatever
...
-Orig
weblogic (oops) has had a driver for MS SQL server for a while ... used it
for a demo once, works fine for basic jdbc, don't know about advanced
features and performance relative to other drivers
-Original Message-
From: Robert Virkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 200
he as frontend instead), is
there some known problems with some specific browsers etc or what is
going on?
Regards,
Peter
...
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Juan Andres Chau Li [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:08 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Many clicks, many request...
Hi,
If I make 100 clicks fastly from my browser in a servlet, it generates 100
requests and 100 processes in the
, which is called by my Orion-specific
bean-Implementation.
--peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:17 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re(2): Application client log in
Hi,
Thanks for this interesting code, but
Would you happen to have more specific info about the reliability issue?
Is there any differences between JBoss and Orion?
How about running these beasts on UNIX?
Is Windows still the fastest optino we have?
Cheers,
Peter
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:29:32AM -0300, Jorge Jimenez C wrote
ction platform? Is this why UNIX is so popular in
production environments? Or is JBoss just coded poorly? How many users
(sessions) can Orion handle, is there a difference in Win2k / Linux / UNIX
performance?
Cheers,
Peter
r
doesn't?
Regards,
Peter
this, and the problem they were
talking about most of the time was that classes have to be serializable...
Now I tried that with a few objects in the session, and all of them were
lost after touching application.xml.
Peter
Aaron Tavistock wrote:
>I'm not currently doing hot-deploy, but I
Use the UK mirror: http://uk.orionsupport.com/articles/appclient.html
-Original Message-
From: Geoff Soutter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:34 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Anyone got old orionsupport sample application client /
scheduler?
You can see it
Just create or alter the database table by hand.
You can then assign whatever length to you varchar fields.
We have disabled the autocreate-tables option in orion-application.xml
and create all our tables by hand.
hope that helps,
Peter
Morten Wilken wrote:
>hi all,
>i have a situation
know what might be causing this
behavior and how I can fix it?
Thanks,
Peter
T. Brown
I've
used delegates for the implementation logic from the EJB classes and created
a batch file that re-packages the delegate classes into the .jar file. It
takes less than 5 seconds for redeployment, only when I've changed my interface
do I redeploy the EJB, I've also done something similia
Hi Gordon!
Do you have set the RMIPermission in principals.xml ?
There has to be something like that:
Peter
Gordon Reynolds wrote:
> I'm trying to reach my EJB's through an application client (for JUnit
> testing).
>
> I can't se
tainly seems to make life considerable
easier (and be less irrational)
Cheers
--peter
P.S. A coworker just
told me that he used Select a couple of years ago - it was really clunky
then. People here had better experience with togetherj than select. Of
course this is all coming fro
One backslash is not enough. There have to be two of them!
In the app client popup window still one backslash has to be typed in
front of the ':'
Is this how it's supposed to be?
Peter
Hani Suleiman wrote:
>This isn't a bug, as ':' has to be escaped with
ntext() just doesn't return.
for the uri "http:ormi://localhost/myapp" it throws a NamingException
I'm working on WinNT 4.0.
Does anybody see the same on UNIX/Linux?
I didn't file it as a bug in bugzilla yet.
Please let me know what you think about it...
regards,
Peter
off. As someone commented in an earlier
post, by setting the page directive session="false", no HttpSession object
will be created for this page. Don't know whether this would achieve what
you are looking for.
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Trujillo, Kris [
Hi I am experiencing a problem with applets that
access Orion JNDI that causes the JRE to enter a blocked or locked state after
the applet has been destroyed. This means that no future applets can be
loaded with the JRE. It seems that the problem has occurred before(see
link http://www.mai
In a previous project we had to look at mssql as one of the database servers
under consideration.
Don't know, with the exception of the order of the arguments in the tag and
that I didn't need to use // in front of the machine name (which could be
specific to the driver) I can't see anything diff
Most
likely you have not shut down another HTTP server which is listening on the same
port (probably IIS). Either disable the other service, or use the Orion HTTP
server on a different port.
-Original Message-From: Vu Le Hung
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, November 13
I believe earlier version of Orion were quite forgiving on serialization.
Orion would serialize a class even if it it did not implement the serialable
interface. If you make sure everything you are serializing implements the
interface I think that will solve your problem.
-Original Message--
Maybe the session=shared attribute would allow you to achieve your goal.
Don't know whether its valid only for sharing between http and https
sessions
-Original Message-
From: David Potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:02 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE:
your
user. The role manager gets information about the usermanager you
registered, the InitialContext has nothing to do with your usermanager.
(This is just a Gedankenexperiment - if you try it, let me know whether it
actually works)
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Schnitzer
specify a lib directory in application.xml
; for web applications WEB-INF/lib will do.
--peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:48 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Newbie classpath problem - please help
I
#x27;t given it
some values to work with.
1. Where to put the html file?
2. How to configure orion to find my html page? (which xml-file)
Would very much appreciate any hints as I can't seem to find it either on
Orion Primer or on orionserver.com
Thanx in advance!
.peter
do I need to run an external client app
Peter,
The problem you are experiencing is because the JNDI locations need to be
changed when the location of the client jar is changed -- namely change
'java:comp/env/' to 'java:hello/client/' or some other path that is
appropriate.
request* the session object is not available any more.
Anybody out there took a peek at the spec?
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Denis Kranjcec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:45 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: session bug
Hello everyone!
I think I
other appserver without a problem.
Anybody out there got any idea? Maybe we need to report this as a bug?
--peter
Peter N. Saurugger
Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Cugier (extern) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:18
input stream.
I have submitted this as bug 607.
--peter
ll and
remove, and has worked fine.
--peter
-Original Message-From: Eddie
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001
5:22 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Running Orion as Win
2000 services ???
Please some help running Orion as an Win 2000
service as
quite old version there, so I'll have to recommend about upgrading
first.
Regards,
Peter
of doPost()
}
in.read() immediately returns -1. What is wrong - my assumption or my code
(or both ...)
Thanks
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Xiaowen Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:17 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Help!!Subject.getSubject(Access
ink in our app. Sometimes IE works ok, sometimes it behaves this
way. It seems that the problem is worst in IE's running under Mac. There is no
problem with Netscape.
Any ideas what could be causing this?
--
Peter Peltonen
Webmaster, Fivetec Solutions Oy
Melkonkatu 28 E
00210 Helsinki
G
to look inside orion to find out what they are
doing internally. If an answer is found to this question, I'd sure like to
hear about it
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Trujillo, Kris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:24 PM
To: Orion-Int
Title: ORacle db string over 4000 chars
use
clob instead of varchar
-Original Message-From: Nusairat, Joseph F.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001
8:39 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: ORacle db string over
4000 chars
Does anyone know how to handle this
ollowing jar files in the jnlp file (the 'path' for the
MyCLient.jar):
Thanks, appreciate your feedback
Peter N. Saurugger
Agilent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Ti
ybody out there used WebStart with Orion
AppClients?
Thanks
--peter
Peter
Saurugger
Agilent
Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
attempt to
start
the application client with WebStart?
Thanks
--peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:35 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Orion and Sax/JDom
Your mail has been forwarded to
-1 )
{
out.write( character );
}
Your input buffering code in the snippet you show is not correct
--peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:27 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Upload files
I
Find a nice little example in Chapter 30 of WROX Professional Java Server
Programming J2EE Edition. There are both Web and Swing Clients to an EJB
backend. Good simple stuff to get started.
--peter
-Original Message-
From: Fredrik Lindgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent
Anybody knows the role these files play (they are in the ATM example,
com/acme/atm/ejb in atm-ejb) - what are they for, where do I find info (e.g.
about format), and how is the *.wmf file created?
Cheers
--peter
r-file in an .ear-archive that
the classes can be referenced from EJB and web-module without setting a
path in server.xml??
regards,
Peter
Yes, ejb.jar, jndi.jar and orion.jar are all added to the classpath.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Hamilton, (m)+61-404-280 238
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 3:57 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Application CLient JNDI properties
>
>what I get is:
>
>Co
Title: RE: SessionContext.getEJBObject()
I am trying to start
a swing client app which communicates with an ejb. Works fine if I use the
console or applicationlauncher.jar
Now I am trying to
run the client directly from java, i.e.
java my.Client
-Djava.naming.factory.initial=com.ev
With jserv I can configure the maximum memory that the JVM can use with this
kind of line in jserv.properties file:
wrapper.bin.parameters=-mx128m
How do I achieve the same with Orion?
Regards,
Peter
speaking of logging, can anyone explain the best way to see all the JDBC SQL
activity my servlets are causing? Maybe someone has a link that explains the
basics...
Thanks Much
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Attila Bodis
Sent: Friday, Jul
e
job :)
Cheers,
Peter
d I wouldn't want to do that again...
I've managed to generate a keystore and a csr for my site, but how do I become
my own CA with keytool and sign the csr and make it a crt, could someone
kindly demonstrate to me?
Regards,
Peter
ol is from Sun's jdk-1.3.1-fcs package. I've tried it in both Linux
and Win2k with the same result.
What to do?
t: Peter
Of course, datasources.xml is the purvue of the J2EE Deployer role, not of
the developers, but purity aside, not all Orion apps are delivered to
sophisticated deployment environments with a full complement of skilled
staff. I'm sure a lot of us have spent some time trying to "pre-deploy"
things so
alternatively make the singleton stateless. Then you pass in everything you
need when the method is called. Everything is a local varible and so has no
threading problems.
-Original Message-
From: Alex Paransky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:41 PM
To: Orion-Inter
r) to have exactly the same form displayed in both
cases.
Also after logging in from the form in the errorpage orion directs you
to the original target.
hope it helps,
Peter
Attila Bodis wrote:
> Hi, I managed to get forms-based authentication working (Orion
> 1.4.5/Win2K), but I have
Comments inline.
- Original Message -
From: "Armin Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: custom finder in CMPs
> On Friday 04 May 2001 14:44, you wrote:
> > Commonly, developers build a Stateless Session EJB
Commonly, developers build a Stateless Session EJB "facade" through which
all access to Entity EJBs is accomplished. If you were to employ such a
pattern, the method of this "facade" that invokes the CMP finder in question
would be an appropriate place to manipulate the results before returning
th
1.4.5 in stricter on serializaion. I believe
1.4.0 allowed you to serialize objects that did not implement the serializable
interface.
- Original Message -
From:
Rex McFarlin
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:59
PM
Subject: orion 1.4.5 upgrade
Has anyone had success with JRocket and Orion. JRocket is suppose to be one
of the most fastest and most scalable VMs www.volano.com/report.html but I
am unable to get the Orion running with it. Apparently WebLogic will run
with JRocket. www.jrocket.com
Regards,
Peter
C:\orion>C:\Progr
Hi,
I am new to jsp. recently i tried to put my website with as isp in US, they
offers jsp & servlet support in NT server with IIS & Netscape Server.For jsp
they advised me to use the url like http://websiteurl:8080/test.jsp, in this
case the file executes fine, but if i type http://websiteurl/te
e bug has been fixed, but where do I get the 1.4.8 version of
Orion? I tried to use the autoupdate, but that didn't help.
Cheers,
Peter
I've been in the same boat. The deployment.cache file is not particularly
interesting, since it doesn't contain the source. When creating the
wrappers, Orion generates the source and compiles it in the root of the
Orion installation. When done compiling, it places the class files in the
"zip-file-
rmi://localhost admin -shutdown force
echo " [ OK ]"
;;
restart)
$0 stop
$0 start
;;
log)
echo -n "Orion log:"
cd /usr/src/orion/
more orionlog.txt
;;
*)
echo "Usage: $0 {start|sto
f as one of the possible culprits.
P. Pontbriand
Canlink Interactive Technologies, Inc.
- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Pontbriand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:51 PM
Subject: Broken in
connection-driver="interbase.interclient.Driver"
username="sysdba"
password="masterkey"
url="jdbc:interbase://localhost//C:/programs/firebird_094/examples/v5/EMPLOYEE.GDB"
inactivity-timeout=
where you from, I know it isn't a one hit wonder. Definitely not the ORION
phenomena...
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fink, Paul
Sent: 06 April 2001 15:21
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive & wel
Where/how do you try and get the parameter
JSP String someparam = (String)application.getInitParameter("someparam");
Servlet in the init
String someparam =
(String)application.getInitParameter("someparam");
Sometimes this does not work if you try and use the getInitPar
Hi, a first here
I am new to using the J2EE environment. All previous projects on Weblogic we
have written our own custom authentication
now there is java.security.principal and all that.
The problem I have is I went through an example I found on the archive along
with the one on orionsupport.co
ith mysql?
> >
> >
> > Am using MySQL with Orion without it's own db-schema. No
> > problems, yet.
> >
> > Be sure to get the MM.MySQL driver...
> > --
> >
> > -Geoff Marshall, Director of Development
> >
> > ...
Hello.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but i need to know.
I want to take the CMP Primer and use another database, Sybase, InterBase
etc..
How do I do that? Do I need to redeploy?
Can I just change the orion-application.xml file?
Would like to find out.
/ Peter
Title: RE: Including jar files in my web app ?
xalan
and xerces are in the root dir of orion
if you
have these jar files in your velocity.jar rather replace the orion ones or use
the orion ones.
-Original Message-From:
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of these docs? Acroread under Linux doesn't behave well with my
Netscape). I cannot find a "beginner's tutorial" anywhere, I mean information
like how to start / stop the service, how to start the gui and so on. Any help
appreciated :)
Cheers,
Peter
> Hi Peter
>
>
e Hypersonic we have to stop Orion while updating the db
So, the question is, does SapDB work with our combination (has anyone used it
with JBuilder and Orion)? I haven't really heard about it before, so how does
it compare for example to MySQL and PostgreSQL?
Regards,
Peter
order of insertion in the finder code.
P.Pontbriand
Canlink Interactive Technologies Inc.
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From: "Peter Pontbriand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Collect
municate with the db the db gets
confused. At least the changes we make in JBuilder don't get updated.
Any ideas about a good open-source db that would work with both Orion and
JBuilder would be appreciated!
Regards,
Peter
lection
> Try reversing the order of the fields in the block for
> the bean in the orion-ejb-jar.xml. Might also work just to change the
> order in the ejb-jar.xml, especially if you deploy from scratch.
>
> Jeff
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Peter Pontbria
> > PS: Is this what it takes to get a question answered? Is there a
different
> > forum for paying customers? If I pay $1500, will I get my questions
> > answered faster?
> >
> One would assume so. Paying customers are prioritised in the support queue
> (from personal experience).
>
> Hani
Int
I want to upgrade Xalan and Xerces to newer versions that comes with JAXP
found at
http://java.sun.com/xml? Do I just overwrite the .jar files?
Regards,
Peter
@" causes the problem with the following parameter.
I read on the list that also others have had problems with the Tunnel
Servlet and POST requests.
Maybe we can track down the bug a bit deeper.
I entered it in Bugzilla as Bug Nr. 387 and hope that it finally will be
taken care of.
Regards,
Peter
vice-versa.
Bugzilla Bug #379 has been posted. Anybody got a non-stomach-churningly-ugly
workaround idea?
P. Pontbriand
Canlink Interactive Technologies, Inc.
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Pontbriand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PRO
My last shred of sanity is vapourizing as I type. I've spent several
fruitless days trying to work around Orion 1.4.7's inability to generate a
working finder method that takes an Entity reference as an argument. When I
finish composing this message I think I'll gibber under my desk for a while.
H
on {
> return ds.getConnection();
> }
>
> James Birchfield
>
> Ironmax
> maximizing your construction equipment assets
> 5 Corporate Center
> 9960 Corporate Campus Drive,
> Suite 2000
> Louisville, KY 40223
>
>
>
> "Pet
The DataSourceUserManager that is provided with Orion exhibits this same
problem - the principals.xml must still contain the group declarations.
We've created out own custom UserManager that uses our User and Group EJBs.
This custom user manager will work fine for EJB and Web modules without
anyth
I have experienced a similiar issue and was thinking it was most likely the
JVM (SUN J2SE 1.3.0 Hotspot Server).
Anyone had any luck with running Orion with JRocket. Looking at the Volano
report(http://www.volano.com/report.html) it would appear to scale the best.
I've attempted to run it with ori
basically your html headers have already been
written before you did a forward. do not do this. if you need to forward or
sendRedirect to another page, do it before writing any html out.
- Original Message -
From:
D. Akers
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001
- Original Message -
From: "Valentijn Scholten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peter Pontbriand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:51 AM
Subject: RE: Inconsistent EJB JNDI Locations
> what do you mean just the ejb-name?
>
> So use
get the latest mail.jar from sun
The POP3 service provider is now bundled in JavaMail 1.2.
replace the mail.jar in orion with the one you downloaded. i've tried it and
it works!
peter
- Original Message -
From: "Andre Vanha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-I
> Hi Peter!
>
> As I'm not sure if you are on the mailing list (orion) and it was a while
> ago I posted my question, I send this question privately. I hope that this
> will not disturb you.
> Anyway, I succeeded in making relation between jars, but not between ears.
> A
I am using Castor, Xerces and several other third party java packages. I
have installed these in /usr/local/java/, and added these
directories to my classpath. My env setup is:
CLASSPATH=/usr/local/java/jdk1.3:/usr/local/java/j2sdkee1.2.1:/usr/local/jav
a/castor0.9:/usr/local/java/bhawk4j
ANT_HOM
I got this reply while trying to send a message to the list. What's up, am I
sending my mails to the wrong address while trying to reach the Orion Server's
Mailing List?
I sent the message to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards,
Peter
-- the bounce i received:
Subject: Yo
2.jar
CLASSPATH=$JAVA_HOME:$J2EE_CLASSPATH
export JAVA_HOME J2EE_CLASSPATH CLASSPATH
--snip--
So, my current setup is this:
[peter@cayman orion]$ echo $CLASSPATH
/usr/local/java/jdk1.2.2:/usr/src/j2sdkee1.2.1/lib/system/jdbc7.0-1.2.jar
[peter@cayman orion]$ echo $JAVA_HOME
/usr/local/java/jdk1.2.2
[pet
> Hi everbody!
>
> I'm trying to create relationships between components, both within the
same
> jar and outside to another jar.
>
> In the first alternative, i.e. within the same jar, I succeded in creating
> the relationship, but unfortunately orion maps this to a blob. I have been
> playing aro
nd unpacked Orion to
/usr/src/orion as root.
I ran the command "java -jar orion.jar -install" which asked for an admin
password. I gave it a one.
I started Orion with "java -jar orion.jar".
I tried and I can access the server with my web browser.
What's wrong, why won't my Orion restart?
Regards,
Peter
hi tony,
may i know what this method does??
thanks, peter
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From: "Tony J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: RE:
try this:
http://gamelan.earthweb.com/dlink.resource-jhtml.72.1082.|repository||common
|content|article|19991217|gm_webmail1|webmail1~xml.43.jhtml
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To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001
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