SV: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-13 Thread Magnus Rydin
Title: SV: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Please, drop this damn thread. The list is obviosly not censured, just a bit sucky. No one will wake up next to a swedish meatball smeared with cowberry jam and mashed potatoes.. Stop accusing people of being paranoid etc, it only floods

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-13 Thread Joseph B. Ottinger
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Joseph, You see, Joseph, it's this kind of humor that makes people think of waking up next to their favorite racehorse's head. Not sure what your point is, here, pardner. After all, I was saying this My point is that some slow people, like me,

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread Joseph B. Ottinger
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Joseph, Generally, I agree, but... I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread Jay Armstrong
At 02:18 AM 6/12/01 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Joseph, Generally, I agree, but... I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will

Re: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread John Hogan
Their j2ee implementations seemed like a bunch of open source glued together. Throw in the oddDuck idea of running ejb's inside the db server and it's no wonder they threw it away. Perhaps because they couldn't give it away. _ Get your free E-mail at

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread Joseph B. Ottinger
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Sure, I can understand this -- good thing we have orionsupport.com, which isn't affiliated with Ironflare. This is why I've never been willing to advertise anything on orionsupport, and why I'm not directly affiliated in any way with Ironflare -

Re: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread Christopher J. Woods
Joseph B. Ottinger wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: [...] Greetings, I respectfully request that those carrying on the conspiracy thread of discussion please take it off-list. It has comprised, I estimate, at least 50% of the orion-interest list the past few days. Thanks!

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-12 Thread Jay Armstrong
Joseph, At 12:57 PM 6/12/01 -0500, you wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Sure, I can understand this -- good thing we have orionsupport.com, which isn't affiliated with Ironflare. This is why I've never been willing to advertise anything on orionsupport, and why I'm not

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Nathan Phelps
On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Jay Armstrong
Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread elephantwalker
: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Ray Harrison
If I recall correctly, BEA did not challenge them (Ironflare/Evermind)with any numbers of their own, they just wanted them to remove their BEA reference. That would have appeared to have been just an action by BEA spin doctors and the legal department. So I will be interested when Oracle runs

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Joseph B. Ottinger
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that),

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Jay Armstrong
. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Jay Armstrong
Joseph, Generally, I agree, but... I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). And usually if

RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.

2001-06-11 Thread Don Gaul
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:53 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note. J, I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer questions about orion. They also have good