Unfortunately, ACMI Guidelines and now the various Nurses Boards who have adopted them
don't see it this way. Previously in Victoria it seemed ok to be the person having the
responsibility for oversight of the labour and after care, even if the birth ended in
a last minute instrumental birth,
Apology accepted Abby, and I meant pain in the as a true compliment. Trish
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Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery???
I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't romanticise some half-forgotten
past. Don't idealise a model of training and education that isn't open
to the scrutiny and evaluation of all its stakeholders. To talk about traditionally
trained
Yikes, just re-read this. In the paragraph below where I invoke
Shakespeare, the rose I am refering to is the generic but critical
midwife, not the lovely Nicky, who could rightly be called a rose, but
not in the context below. Nicky is very respectful of her midwife
colleagues. Trish
Trish David
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in
hospitals who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
homebirth midwife
Lovely, Miriam. I also encourage student midwives to feel their own
cervix, to chart their own patterns of sexual responsiveness across
their cycle, and to smell and observe their menstrual loss, etc in
preparation for the intimate encounters they will have with women. This
is empowering as well
It must be the fact that I have been so ill and ordered not to speak for
a week that has made me so vocal on the list the last week or so
Don't worry, the voice is returning and I'll be back at work tomorrow.
In the meantime, does anyone have knowledge of a midwifery conference in
Canada next
Would you like some? I will put the word out amongst my students. Trish
Birth Centre-MBH wrote:
We haven't had any BMid students yet.
Cheers
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Mary, Denise, I agree. However, and I risk a minor lashing, I have found it, on
occasion, necessary to do a VE on a woman not in labour to reassure her that she
will (or will not) go into labour shortly. This has been for a variety of
reasons ranging from my imminent absence for a few days
: confirming it or not... so as to
decide place of birth: home or hospital perhaps ... for baby resusc purposes
(actually not supported by current research on MAS), just wondering what you
all think?
marilyn
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I find this really interesting as well, in that the doctor was believed
that VE wasn't brought to her attention, and the midwife was not, but also
that she needed direction from a doctor or senior midwife to do one. This
is exactly my point, that it has become a medical procedure and therefore
VEs are like perineal suturing and rupturing of membranes. They are a tool in
the professional midwife's kit that should be used with caution, judgement,
humanity and great respect. They should only be practised by skillfull
practitioners who know the theory behind what they are doing, the
I wish!
Lynne Staff wrote:
Hello
All,Are there any midwives
out there interested in working in a caseload practice in a private hospital
setting? (Sunshine Coast QLD)Looking
forward to hearing from youLynne
Launceston was the only one operating when I left Tasmania in 2000. It was
community run, in a house in close proximity to Launceston General Hospital.
Trish.
Abby and Toby wrote:
Hi,
Is there any such thing in Australia? Or are they all connected to hospitals
or government run etc?
Is it
Dear Listers. I can't resist my two-bob's worth (yes a child of the predecimal
era). I would personally resist fundamentalism in all things, that is, the
extremist views on any topic, one way or the other. Fundamentalism is the
cause of many of the world's woes. Extremist views on abortion do defy
Dear Kirsten and Tanya, I was part of the team who developed BMid from its inception
in Victoria, when Tasmania wanted to be part of it. In the very beginning I was in
Tasmania and at that time University of Tas looked like it would continue as part of
the consortium of universities in Victoria
I think all women experiencing the loss of a baby, whether intentional
(Abby, please don't talk of women killing their babies in violent
ways, the potential for distress is so great for what is an agonising choice)
or accidental, require our compassion and respect. Women's circumstances
dictate
And 'all fours' is called the Gaskin Manoeuvre when discussing strategies for
dealing with shoulder dystocia because of her work in mapping and measuring the
pelvis It's interesting that the groundbreakers of yesteryear are sometimes
viewed with mild amusement or as eccentrics (a bit like
: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care
It would be wonderful to have a session like this in QLD. I see nothing
but
apathy from the QLD government and a flow on from there.
Louise
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Greta Scacchi had a baby at a birth centre in Sydney, around the mid 1990s. I
think it was Royal Womens? She was very vocal at the time about the benefits
of midwife led care. Trish
Justine Caines wrote:
Hi all
Yes I am collecting signatures from clebs/pollies etc and so far we have
only a
Dear All. In view of the wonderful announcements in Victoria about
models of care, and in view of the critical intent of curriculum to try
to change things, Monash University has decided to put on a seminar day
with workshop aimed at assisting midwives to change maternity services.
This was a
Dear Marilyn and list. I saw the segment and thought HO HUM here we go again. I
felt they were somewhat disingenuous having a media denizen as spokesperson for
pro-elective luscs, and the woman who lost her baby (for late LUSCS as the story
implied) but who was also a documentary maker. Hardly
The artcile in question about nuns and incontinence was quoted by Karen
Guilliland on a Lateline report on 16 Sept 1999 (which I obtained a dub
for for teaching purposes) which was a debate on LUSCS and avoiding
pelvic floor problems. This program was much more balanced, though the
president of
Andrea, I have a BMid student who is keen on coming up your way she has a holiday
house there,
and would like to get in contact with you to talk future aspirations, etc, would this
be ok?
Trish
Andrea Quanchi wrote:
well i got this message, i wish I got no junk mail
Andrea Q
On Tuesday,
Dear Midwives
Monash University will soon be advertising in Australia and New Zealand
for a Lecturer in Midwifery and Nursing at Gippsland Campus. The
successful applicant will teach into the successful Graduate Diploma of
Midwifery and the undergraduate Bachelor of Nursing at Gippsland Campus.
I have just had this asked of me by a medical student in a tutorial on
assessment of progress and care in physiological labour. I couldn't answer,
though vaguely remember it as part of a placebo trial in the 90s? Anyone?
Trish
Ken WArd wrote:
Have heard about the effectiveness of water
loaded which I
personally think is a huge shame.
marilyn
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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth
I am not sure I know what is meant by 'natural birth' since
down this path before
(on other issues: the environment, vegetarianism, etc..) and I know there
is a counterpoint and I don't know what it is. I do think however that
this is a huge philosophical conundrum at least for me. Carolyn, Help!!my
mind is bogglingmarilyn-
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I am not sure I know what is meant by 'natural birth' since it is
totally embedded in cultural practices. Who has a reliable definition
for this that is NOT biomedically oriented? Trish
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I participated in a physiology experiment once that aimed to elicit this
primitive reflex. We were set up with large basins of cold water (cold
is important) and asked to place our entire face to the hairline and
earline into it. Meanwhile our responses of heart rate, BP and SaO2 were
recorded.
Regarding preparation for birth:
It strikes me that we prepare ourselves all the time for biological
changes and tasks in our lives, and preparing for birth in a way that
fits our personal philosophy of it should be no exception. It seems not
worthy of comment that we accept women need preparation
Might be of interest to some. Trish
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Dear Colleagues and Friends,
This year, I marked International Womens Day 2004 by launching an electronic petition for Paid Maternity Leave. The Governments refusal to adopt a
of Midwifery programs.
The Consortium was entirely funded by its partner organisations. No
grant monies were received from any other source.
This message has been posted at the request of Consortium partners who
are distressed at the rumours.
Trish David
Chair, Werna Naloo Consortium
Senior
Hello midwives, particularly Fellows of ACMI who might frequent this
list. I have sent out a group email based on a data base given to me
last year by the College, and have had just under half returned because
of incorrect addresses. I am hoping all Fellows who did not receive the
email, and who
Yes, my sister had terrible mood swings and got really angry at her nearly
three year old son and her 20 month old daughter. She was depressed and
upset all the time, and has been much better since it was removed. She
now has one of the new generation IUDs and is feeling much more secure
and
Tina, very articulate. Only the last sentence to take issue with. Nursing
students (and medical students, too, by the way) who are on a maternity
placement face the same problems. It is not the student who is dangerous,
it is the woman who is giving birth, as she is the one to sue regardless
of
I found this in a delightful little book and thought I would share it with you
One of the wonderful things about women, which I don't think many social
anthropologists have fully understood, is that we are bonded by shared
experiences - by babies and the rituals and problems of our bodies. Men
Andrea this is really interesting thanks. It puts into perspective as well the
complaints of those who suggest the College in Australia hasn't done enough to
secure insurance. This is a world-wide problem, and if it can't be solved in a
country with greater traditions of homebirth and midwife-led
Dear List. I have just opened my ACMI Newsletter to have the flier for
the Biennial Conference fall into my lap. I LOVE IT. Love the logo, love
the colours, but especially love the 'frontiers' we have to address:
envrionment/space, emotion, culture, language, self-perception, midwives
and health
Hi everyone. Long time since I have been on the list, but Monash keeps one very
busy. How are all the wonderful wymmin of midwifery? Here is an interesting
website for those interested in history, and a short list of books I have found
pretty interesting this semester. Cheers to all, Trish
Keep it up Jessica! Your chin, that is. I send out all my best vibes to
BMidders everywhere, including those I was lucky enough to meet last Monday.
Have a good easter, study hard, be kind to yourself and others, and take
at least one day off! That's an order! (and all that goes for all you
Dear ozmidders
I applaud Denise's sentiments here and wish to express a few thoughts
of my own having watched this thread for some time now.
There will be midwives out there threatened by the advent of Bachelor
of Midwifery, just as they have been by Graduate preparation. It is similar
to the
Hi all. Check out WIN News tonight at 6pm for a nice story about rural
student midwives. Cheers, Trish
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Dear midwives out there. Is anyone interested in doing some clinical
teaching for undergraduate students in maternity placement in Sept/Oct
for Monash University in my subject Gender and Family Health? Wondered
particularly if any IPMs might have time on their hands momentarily???
Please get in
Dear Jen and others interested.
If we midwives were to withdraw from ANF en masse and join another union,
making a clear and loud statement that ANF did not represent midwives, then
we would have stymied their attempts to silence us and keep us under the
nursing umbrella. HACSU in Tasmania
Dear Nigel,
If you look at ACMI position statements, press releases, letters to
politicians, etc, in fact any correspondence (action) it has engaged in at
State and National level you will see that it does promote recognition of
midwifery as distinct from nursing and distinct from medicine. As
Dear all
I know i have put this request out to you before, but am in need of more
specific information, and there may be some of you who have got further
down the track than we have.
I have put forward (with the help of some colleagues) a protocol for
midwives ordering routine tests for the
at the conference. I look forward
to Brisbane to actually get to hear some of the sessions!
Love to all, and here's to the future, Trish David.
Dear all,
What a week of meetings, presentations and socialising but I especially
enjoyed meeting so many I have read, heard of and emailed, sharing
Dear Pete, the way to make anything happen is to participate in all levels
of governance. Did you respond to the call for a review of teh
Constitution? We had but one response in Tassie! I doubt if many midwives
have even read it, becuase the only way to get "consumers" (whatever they
are in
Forgot to copy this to the list, sorry. so here it is. Trish
Dear Kathleen
I worked in KYM for about three years, then had a small break while I took
up senior midwifery and management positions and academic positions, but
came back to clinical midwifery through my role as a clinician
. Instead, you
have shown yourself to support the only, publicly, regressive provider of
maternity services in Australia. Conrgatulations.
Trish David
Midwife in Caseload Practice (formerly of Know Your Midwife)
Lecturer, Tasmanian School of Nursing
Hobart
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Does anyone have any information on research whcih has been ocnducted into
the effects of being 'on-call' on midwives or nurses? I have a friend
doing a masters project looking at these effects on NNICU nurses doing NETS
transports. Your help would be of enourmous benefit. Ta.
outcomes.
Sixthly, what are you doing as a senior and inflkuential staff member at
JHH to prevent workplace injury and so avoid the cost of WC insurance AND
the destruction of our staff's health. !!!
Katherine
Trish David [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/12 10:21 AM
Prof. McGrath
Regarding
Dear Jacqueline and list
See Smith, Wilkinson Robinson. Knee-Chest Postural
Management for Breech at Term: A Randomized Controlled Trial
Birth 26:2 June 1999. synopsis is management for breech
presentation at term suggested this is not an effective form of care to
be offered routinely.
Some
Dear Carol, I knew my kids were laughing at me not with me this morning.
Still, I haven't looked as good in a while!
Trish
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Dear Sally and Kathleen, and others.
Kathleen, I like your underpinning for your course. Wonderful. It's a
great start. What I would like to say from the perspective of one who did
train in a hospital (and this is where people lay claims to obstetric
models occurring primarily, because of the
Dear all, in no way did I intend to step on anyone's toes, or make any of
you feel uncomfortable by asking (I'm very curious by nature and love to
explore abstract concepts) people to comment on aspects of spirituality.
My very reasoning was that it is such a hard concept to define, it is
Dear all. It's fantastic!!! The conference stuff is all up on the page
linked to Tasmania's page. The links to tourism tas for accommodation etc
is all there, and I am informed there are still plenty of seats on planes
at Conference discount rates. I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about
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