Re: [ozmidwifery] Independant Practice

Andrea this is really interesting thanks. It puts into perspective as well the complaints of those who suggest the College in Australia hasn't done enough to secure insurance. This is a world-wide problem, and if it can't be solved in a country with greater traditions of homebirth and midwife-led

[ozmidwifery] sharing

I found this in a delightful little book and thought I would share it with you "One of the wonderful things about women, which I don't think many social anthropologists have fully understood, is that we are bonded by shared experiences - by babies and the rituals and problems of our bodies. Men n

Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant

Yes, my sister had terrible mood swings and got really angry at her nearly three year old son and her 20 month old daughter. She was depressed and upset all the time, and has been much better since it was removed. She now has one of the new generation IUDs and is feeling much more secure and happ

Re: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria (long)

Tina, very articulate. Only the last sentence to take issue with. Nursing students (and medical students, too, by the way) who are on a maternity placement face the same problems. It is not the student who is dangerous, it is the woman who is giving birth, as she is the one to sue regardless of w

[ozmidwifery] Fellows ACMI

Hello midwives, particularly Fellows of ACMI who might frequent this list. I have sent out a group email based on a data base given to me last year by the College, and have had just under half returned because of incorrect addresses. I am hoping all Fellows who did not receive the email, and who lo

[ozmidwifery] Werna Naloo Consortium

of Midwifery programs. The Consortium was entirely funded by its partner organisations. No grant monies were received from any other source. This message has been posted at the request of Consortium partners who are distressed at the rumours. Trish David Chair, Werna Naloo Consortium Senior

[ozmidwifery] [Fwd: Electronic petition for paid maternity leave]

Might be of interest to some. Trish --- Begin Message --- Title: Electronic petition for paid maternity leave Dear Colleagues and Friends, This year, I marked International Women’s Day 2004 by launching an electronic petition for Paid Maternity Leave. The Government’s refusal to adopt a nat

Re: [ozmidwifery] hysterectomy -books

Yes, Jen, these are fantastic books, I draw on Angier when teaching physiology. You might also like Sarah Blaffer Hrdy's Mother Nature for a different take on sex roles and biology (arguing against a passive femininity across species). Trish Jen Semple wrote: Just wanted to share a couple of book

[ozmidwifery] Natural Birth

I am not sure I know what is meant by 'natural birth' since it is totally embedded in cultural practices. Who has a reliable definition for this that is NOT biomedically oriented? Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubsc

[ozmidwifery] mammalian diving reflex

I participated in a physiology experiment once that aimed to elicit this primitive reflex. We were set up with large basins of cold water (cold is important) and asked to place our entire face to the hairline and earline into it. Meanwhile our responses of heart rate, BP and SaO2 were recorded. Alm

[ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing and other preparations for "Natural" events

Regarding preparation for birth: It strikes me that we prepare ourselves all the time for biological changes and tasks in our lives, and preparing for birth in a way that fits our personal philosophy of it should be no exception. It seems not worthy of comment that we accept women need preparation

Re: [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth

ition(s) and birth attendants as well as type of > management of third stage. Hence the term has becoome very loaded which I > personally think is a huge shame. > > marilyn > > - Original Message - > From: "Trish David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[

Re: [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth

re nothing really matters. I don't mean to be rude, I just know I have been down this path before (on other issues: the environment, vegetarianism, etc..) and I know there is a counterpoint and I don't know what it is. I do think however that this is a huge philosophical conundrum at least

Re: [ozmidwifery] back pain

I have just had this asked of me by a medical student in a tutorial on assessment of progress and care in physiological labour. I couldn't answer, though vaguely remember it as part of a placebo trial in the 90s? Anyone? Trish Ken WArd wrote: > Have heard about the effectiveness of water injectio

Re: [ozmidwifery] testing

Andrea, I have a BMid student who is keen on coming up your way she has a holiday house there, and would like to get in contact with you to talk future aspirations, etc, would this be ok? Trish Andrea Quanchi wrote: > well i got this message, i wish I got no junk mail > Andrea Q > On Tuesday, A

[ozmidwifery] Lecturer in Midwifery and Nursing Position at Monash University

Dear Midwives Monash University will soon be advertising in Australia and New Zealand for a Lecturer in Midwifery and Nursing at Gippsland Campus. The successful applicant will teach into the successful Graduate Diploma of Midwifery and the undergraduate Bachelor of Nursing at Gippsland Campus. Id

Re: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes.

Dear Marilyn and list. I saw the segment and thought HO HUM here we go again. I felt they were somewhat disingenuous having a media denizen as spokesperson for pro-elective luscs, and the woman who lost her baby (for late LUSCS as the story implied) but who was also a documentary maker. Hardly your

[ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor and the media hysteria

The artcile in question about nuns and incontinence was quoted by Karen Guilliland on a Lateline report on 16 Sept 1999 (which I obtained a dub for for teaching purposes) which was a debate on LUSCS and avoiding pelvic floor problems. This program was much more balanced, though the president of RAN

[ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care

Dear All. In view of the wonderful announcements in Victoria about models of care, and in view of the critical intent of curriculum to try to change things, Monash University has decided to put on a seminar day with workshop aimed at assisting midwives to change maternity services. This was a reque

Re: [ozmidwifery] Good news

Greta Scacchi had a baby at a birth centre in Sydney, around the mid 1990s. I think it was Royal Womens? She was very vocal at the time about the benefits of midwife led care. Trish Justine Caines wrote: > Hi all > > Yes I am collecting signatures from clebs/pollies etc and so far we have > only

Re: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care

ernment and a flow on from there. > > Louise > > - Original Message - > > From: "Trish David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:31 PM > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care &

Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifrey Heritage??

See also Midwives of the Black Soil Plains by . oh, a senior moment, a Fellow of the College from NSW whose research expertise is historical research. There is also one, name again escapes me, about homebirth midwifery circa 1890 in Hobart. Trish Ann Grieve wrote: Dear Kylie There is a wealth

Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

Dear Kirsten and Tanya, I was part of the team who developed BMid from its inception in Victoria, when Tasmania wanted to be part of it. In the very beginning I was in Tasmania and at that time University of Tas looked like it would continue as part of the consortium of universities in Victoria

Re: [ozmidwifery] WOMAN CHARGED OVER STILLBIRTH

I think all women experiencing the loss of a baby, whether intentional (Abby, please don't talk of women killing their babies in violent ways, the potential for distress is so great for what is an agonising choice) or accidental, require our compassion and respect. Women's circumstances dictate t

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:

And 'all fours' is called the Gaskin Manoeuvre when discussing strategies for dealing with shoulder dystocia because of her work in mapping and measuring the pelvis It's interesting that the groundbreakers of yesteryear are sometimes viewed with mild amusement or as eccentrics (a bit like Germa

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vegan and pro-choice (was abortion etc)

Dear Listers. I can't resist my two-bob's worth (yes a child of the predecimal era). I would personally resist fundamentalism in all things, that is, the extremist views on any topic, one way or the other. Fundamentalism is the cause of many of the world's woes. Extremist views on abortion do defy

Re: [ozmidwifery] casload practice

I wish! Lynne Staff wrote: Hello All,Are there any midwives out there interested in working in a caseload practice in a private hospital setting? (Sunshine Coast QLD)Looking forward to hearing from youLynne

Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

Launceston was the only one operating when I left Tasmania in 2000. It was community run, in a house in close proximity to Launceston General Hospital. Trish. Abby and Toby wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any such thing in Australia? Or are they all connected to hospitals > or government run etc? > Is

Re: [ozmidwifery] VE

VEs are like perineal suturing and rupturing of membranes. They are a tool in the professional midwife's kit that should be used with caution, judgement, humanity and great respect. They should only be practised by skillfull practitioners who know the theory behind what they are doing, the evidence

Re: [ozmidwifery] VE

Mary, Denise, I agree. However, and I risk a minor lashing, I have found it, on occasion, necessary to do a VE on a woman not in labour to reassure her that she will (or will not) go into labour shortly. This has been for a variety of reasons ranging from my imminent absence for a few days intersta

Re: [ozmidwifery] VE, ARM etc..

ations, amniotic > fluid aspiration, anything else? > > The only other reason I have heard (but can't bring myself to do) for ARM is > if you are suspecting mec stained liquor: confirming it or not... so as to > decide place of birth: home or hospital perhaps ... for baby re

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: uterine rupture 1998

I find this really interesting as well, in that the doctor was believed that VE wasn't brought to her attention, and the midwife was not, but also that she needed direction from a doctor or senior midwife to do one. This is exactly my point, that it has become a medical procedure and therefore t

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: uterine rupture 1998

Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery??? I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't romanticise some half-forgotten past. Don't idealise a model of training and education that isn't open to the scrutiny and evaluation of all its stakeholders. To talk about traditionally trained

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: uterine rupture 1998

Yikes, just re-read this. In the paragraph below where I invoke Shakespeare, the rose I am refering to is the generic but critical midwife, not the lovely Nicky, who could rightly be called a rose, but not in the context below. Nicky is very respectful of her midwife colleagues. Trish Trish David

Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re: uterinerupture 1998

Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in hospitals who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional homebirth midwife

[ozmidwifery] Catty midwives

Abby. Are you doing professional doula training by any chance? Your rhetoric is disturbing and approximates some of the more strident 'alternative' midwifery movements of the past that have since reconciled somewhat. Midwifery students are encouraged to critique the very wisdom they are trying to

Re: [ozmidwifery] ve's

Lovely, Miriam. I also encourage student midwives to feel their own cervix, to chart their own patterns of sexual responsiveness across their cycle, and to smell and observe their menstrual loss, etc in preparation for the intimate encounters they will have with women. This is empowering as well fo

[ozmidwifery] Conferences and midwives in Canada

It must be the fact that I have been so ill and ordered not to speak for a week that has made me so vocal on the list the last week or so Don't worry, the voice is returning and I'll be back at work tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have knowledge of a midwifery conference in Canada next

Re: [ozmidwifery] student placements

Would you like some? I will put the word out amongst my students. Trish Birth Centre-MBH wrote: > We haven't had any BMid students yet. > Cheers > > *** > This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confide

Re: [ozmidwifery] primary accouchuer (aka catching or delivering the baby)

Unfortunately, ACMI Guidelines and now the various Nurses Boards who have adopted them don't see it this way. Previously in Victoria it seemed ok to be the person having the responsibility for oversight of the labour and after care, even if the birth ended in a last minute instrumental birth, an

Re: [ozmidwifery] Catty midwives

Apology accepted Abby, and I meant pain in the as a true compliment. Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

homebirth policy

Dear Belinda, please see the Guidelines for the Accreditation of Independently Practising Midwife, see also Position Statement 3.5.0 (currenlty being 'beefed up') which says ACM supportst he right of appropriately qualified midwives to practise independently in line with the sphere of practise as

spirituality

Dear Listners, this is an interesting subject in a post-modern, post-positivist world. (apologies to those who think academics have too much of a say, here. I'm on a little exploring mission) I've jsut been given a review copy of Jean Watson's (celebrated nursing theorist) new book titled "Post

Re: Fwd: Re:+Adequate+Backup

Dear Phil, this email has returned to the ozmidwifery list via Marina from Homemidwifery in QLD. I would be very interested to discuss how your vision for such a scheme would look, and as someone who has participated in fringe practice for sometime now (until it becomes accepted, then I move on)

Spanish Inquisition

Dear Listners I wonder if the Australian Consumers Association has ever done a review of birthing services for their magazine CHOICE? They have done health insurance, cars, fridges and baby furniture. Anyone out there a member? Just a thought/ Cheers, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by

ACMI Website

Dear all. It's fantastic!!! The conference stuff is all up on the page linked to Tasmania's page. The links to tourism tas for accommodation etc is all there, and I am informed there are still plenty of seats on planes at Conference discount rates. I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about th

spirituality

Dear all, in no way did I intend to step on anyone's toes, or make any of you feel uncomfortable by asking (I'm very curious by nature and love to explore abstract concepts) people to comment on aspects of spirituality. My very reasoning was that it is such a hard concept to define, it is differen

Carol T & shiraz at lunch

Dear Carol, I like medaeval music, too, but I'm not sure about Hildegaard and saxaphones!!! You wacka! As for truth, speak your own, all of you, and glory in it! That in a nutshell is the critique of modernity (there is one singular and verifiable truth), we all have our own truths. And jargon

wacka

Dear all, Wacka is an old country victorian working-class term of endearment (connoting someone charmingly silly, eccentric, goofy or different), in case anyone thought I might be insulting my esteemed colleague from WA. Not to be confused with the hallowed cricket turf of her wonderful state. T

vacancies in Hobart

dear all, I have just been informed that the New Hobart Private is looking for midwives for their new maternity unit which opens in NOvember. There have been a few of you emailing to ask what employment is like here. I would get on to them soon, at St Helens Private Hospital and ask for the DON.

Carolyn: spirituality

Carolyn wrote >Spirituality is then, for me, the expression, cognisance and body felt >awareness of the essence of what " is". > >To me, the numinous, the undefinable essence of what ''is'', - is the >lifeforce, the energetic core of all things, animate and inanimate, the >organising principle o

NZ Mid

Dear Listners, my partner came back from a Health Exec expo in Townsville last thursday with the news that NZ midwives are about to get prescribing rights. Has anyone heard about this? Maralyn? Are you there? Cheers, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit

urge to push

dear listners found this in Sweet (Ed) Mayes midwifery, 1997, p388ff anatomical onset of 2nd stage is full dilatation of the cervix which may or may not co-incide with the urge to bear down, and this may not occur until the presenting part descends enough to compress the tissues of the pelvic floo

re:spirituality and religion

Dear Johanna, >By saying that (paraphrased) we should not make one religion better than >another, is only one world view. You of course may have that view. >Others, such as me, however should be allowed to have their own view. Therefore I must >protest, because I KNOW that a life with Jesus Chris

Re: direct entry

Dear Sally and Kathleen, and others. Kathleen, I like your underpinning for your course. Wonderful. It's a great start. What I would like to say from the perspective of one who did train in a hospital (and this is where people lay claims to obstetric models occurring primarily, because of the

Re: Hello everyone.

Dear Jacqueline and list See Smith, Wilkinson & Robinson.  "Knee-Chest Postural Management for Breech at Term: A Randomized Controlled Trial"  Birth 26:2 June 1999.  synopsis is management for breech presentation at term suggested this is not an effective form of care to be offered routinely. Som

funny photo

Dear Carol, I knew my kids were laughing at me not with me this morning. Still, I haven't looked as good in a while! Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: Newcastle Midwives Team

cient. Instead, you have shown yourself to support the only, publicly, regressive provider of maternity services in Australia. Conrgatulations. Trish David Midwife in Caseload Practice (formerly of Know Your Midwife) Lecturer, Tasmanian School of Nursing Hobart -- This mailing list is sponsor

on call

Dear Listners Does anyone have any information on research whcih has been ocnducted into the effects of being 'on-call' on midwives or nurses? I have a friend doing a masters project looking at these effects on NNICU nurses doing NETS transports. Your help would be of enourmous benefit. Ta. Tr

Fwd: Re: Newcastle Midwives Team

that the other approaches to pregnancy and delivery result in worse outcomes. > >Sixthly, what are you doing as a senior and inflkuential staff member at JHH to prevent workplace injury and so avoid the cost of WC insurance AND the destruction of our staff's health. !!! >Katherin

Fwd: Re: Negative Effects of Being a Caseload Midwife

Forgot to copy this to the list, sorry. so here it is. Trish >Dear Kathleen >I worked in KYM for about three years, then had a small break while I took up senior midwifery and management positions and academic positions, but came back to clinical midwifery through my role as a clinician lectur

courses for midwives

Dear all, academics and anyone studying. I am preparing a session for midwives on ongoing education, formal courses at all elvels, etc, for those midwives who are carreer minded but who have few ideas about what is available around the country. I would like to present upp to date information on

Re: Consumer input

Dear Pete, the way to make anything happen is to participate in all levels of governance. Did you respond to the call for a review of teh Constitution? We had but one response in Tassie! I doubt if many midwives have even read it, becuase the only way to get "consumers" (whatever they are in re

Re: Fw: Consumers and ACMI attention Irene.

Dear Deirdre, Please don't denigrate someone's opinion as a joke. It was a considered response. I need to ask some critical questions. >I hope Irene that your letter is a joke because if what you are saying is >what you feel then surely you are taking as ostrich approach to consumer >involvemen

robyn, and the system

Dear Robyn, you are so correct, it CAN HAPPEN within the system. If the evolution is slow, at least it is there (in spite of setbacks), and I totally agree about the shiftwork connundrum. We need to get rid of universal shiftwork for midwives, but we do need to retain a certain amount. If we es

New ACMI Executive

experienced at the conference. I look forward to Brisbane to actually get to hear some of the sessions! Love to all, and here's to the future, Trish David. Dear all, What a week of meetings, presentations and socialising but I especially enjoyed meeting so many I have read, heard of and ema

senate inquirey

Dear Joy and others out there doing good work. Keep it up. Thanks for the rundown Joy. I was very interested to hear all this, and how lovely to go in on the high of a birth! Added emphasis I would have thought! Cheers, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit

another book

Dear all, I have just dipped into the new book I bought at the Hobart Conference, written by Deborah Lupton and Lesley Barclay, called Constructing Fatherhood, discourses and experiences. I have read much of Lupton's work before in other areas and find this an interesting addition in terms of su

breastfeeding and early discharge

Dear all, and another thing! We also have had anecdotal evidence that the trend towards shorter stay is affecting breastfeeding, either in terms of reduced rate or increased difficulties, that is having an impact on the Family and Child Health nurses and the women. It seems we are not saving mon

ordering of tests

Dear all I know i have put this request out to you before, but am in need of more specific information, and there may be some of you who have got further down the track than we have. I have put forward (with the help of some colleagues) a protocol for midwives ordering routine tests for the pre

funding for births

Dear Joy, I haven't thought this through very well, but I would like to see all births funded through normal channels, but the choice of where to birth would be the woman's. How I see this happening might be that midwives are employed by government bodies (such as hospitals or health departments

unions and midwifery

Dear Jen and others interested. If we midwives were to withdraw from ANF en masse and join another union, making a clear and loud statement that ANF did not represent midwives, then we would have stymied their attempts to silence us and keep us under the nursing umbrella. HACSU in Tasmania alrea

nigel and ineffectual ACMI

Dear Nigel, If you look at ACMI position statements, press releases, letters to politicians, etc, in fact any correspondence (action) it has engaged in at State and National level you will see that it does promote recognition of midwifery as distinct from nursing and distinct from medicine. As

fear, choice and perception

>From a post modern perspective: The reader of text is constructed by it as well as constructing of it. Text and context are interrelated and mutually constitutive. Therefore, reality is plural, mutually constituted and mutable. One person's fear is just as valid as another's courage, and shoul

Jen Byrne

Jen, you are so right, and so sensible. The problems are multifaceted and the struggle is multifaceted, therefore our strategies should be multidirectional. One simple solution is impossible. Unity of approach (as with submission to the Senate Inquiry) might even be detrimental. There is work t

Vanessa Owen

Dear Vanessa, are you there??? If so, email me and give me your new email address and phone, etc. Cheers, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

midwifery care at Royal North Shore

Can anyone let me know if there is a midwifery scheme running at RNS who will share care with a private obstetrician, please? Ta, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

clinical teaching in Melbourne/Gippsland

Dear midwives out there. Is anyone interested in doing some clinical teaching for undergraduate students in maternity placement in Sept/Oct for Monash University in my subject Gender and Family Health? Wondered particularly if any IPMs might have time on their hands momentarily??? Please get in to

Re: ACMI PRESS RELEASE REGARDING PROFESSIONAL INDEMNITY INSURANCE

Thankyou Alana and the very hardworking executive. I know what is going on behind the scenes, and can appreciate the effort that has won even such a minor concession. Andrea Q makes a good point. Run for office next time ANF has elections, Andrea. All you midwife members of ANF support her. Becom

rural midwives in Gippsland

Hi all. Check out WIN News tonight at 6pm for a nice story about rural student midwives. Cheers, Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: Fwd: Support homebirth on Thursday

ecognition of 'lay' or 'traditional' birth attendants as midwives. Just my thoughts, and with greatest respect to individuals referred to, who may indeed be the safest attendant possible. Trish David. Toni Cannard wrote: > Dear Ozmidwifery People, > > Claire Brassard, a tr

threatened by bmid? want to change the world? long of course!

Dear ozmidders I applaud Denise's sentiments here and wish to express a few thoughts of my own having watched this thread for some time now. There will be midwives out there threatened by the advent of Bachelor of Midwifery, just as they have been by Graduate preparation. It is similar to the an

Re: perineal care

Hi Julia. Try an oldie but a goodie, the NCT (1993) publication of a comprehensive survey from England called The Perineum in Childbirth. Cheers, Trish Julia Monaghan wrote: > Hi, I have had a request for info on preserving perineums in labour. Can > anyone help me with info, articles, etc on th

Re: Mid textbooks

I prefer Mayes to Myles, the pharmacology text you spoke of is fantastic, but it is from Palgrave distributed through McLennan Petty and is by Sue Jordan (2002). Also a good book for UG Mid would be Skills for midwifery practice by Miller and Hanretty through Churchill Livingstone. I would also su

Re: its started!!

Keep it up Jessica! Your chin, that is. I send out all my best vibes to BMidders everywhere, including those I was lucky enough to meet last Monday. Have a good easter, study hard, be kind to yourself and others, and take at least one day off! That's an order! (and all that goes for all you Grad

[ozmidwifery] history of medicine website and books

Hi everyone. Long time since I have been on the list, but Monash keeps one very busy. How are all the wonderful wymmin of midwifery? Here is an interesting website for those interested in history, and a short list of books I have found pretty interesting this semester. Cheers to all, Trish http:/

[ozmidwifery] ACMI Frontiers of Midwifery Conference in September 2003

Dear List. I have just opened my ACMI Newsletter to have the flier for the Biennial Conference fall into my lap. I LOVE IT. Love the logo, love the colours, but especially love the 'frontiers' we have to address: envrionment/space, emotion, culture, language, self-perception, midwives and health p