LOL oops sorry - I am deliriously tired :-) Anyone else want some phone
calls while I am at it?! :-)
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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:09 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI
Propolis tincture taken orally is supposed to be effective against GBS -
again, little research in the alternate area perhaps because of the
mega$$ pharmaceutical and diagnostic industries around childbirth.
And the research really shows that although IV antibiotics decreases the
number of
Hi Mary,
If midwives actually ask for this larger payment, would women still want to
have their services?
I think women still want their services, but Sydney midwives are way out of
some mamas price range.
Women now have an income from the Government that would pay for the midwife,
Hi Barb,
I think it's wonderful that you had such an amazing birth and wish for all
women to have such an experience. From my understanding, many Sydney midwives
ask their clients to come to them not vice versa. So a lot of their care is not
midwifery care at home, rather it is out of their
Yes, I know the literature, but our health service has made it a required
screening. All women in our health service are 'offered' the screening.
warmly, Carolyn
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From: Mary Murphy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:43
Speaking as a consumer who just paid sydney prices for a homebirth -
the cost of living is higher here than most if not all other cities
in Australia. It's one of those odd things that some careers are FAR
better paid in Sydney than elsewhere, others are not. We, for example
are far better
If any one is interested there is a la bassine birth pool advertised
on ebay with a few days to go in the bidding it is only up to $80:00
so far
Andrea Q
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A homebirth midwife friend of mine in the USA sent me the douch and garlic
recipes a while ago. Here they are:
regards
Diane Gardner
douche:
three parts water
one part hydrogen peroxide
douche before bed four nights in a row having the morning of the fifth day the
day of your 'test' (if
I don't think anyone really understands what the baby bonus is for! Not even
the government... as is proven by the latest change in policy.
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Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2006 8:42 PM
To:
There is considerable literature on the dangers of antibiotics in labour not to
mention the added difficulty to the women trying to labour with an IV hanging
off them. Antibiotics can also cause thrush which when passed from mother to
baby and back again can cause immense difficulties with
Hi,
Some more on the GBS line.
Propolis tincture taken orally is supposed to be effective against GBS -
again, little research in the alternate area perhaps because of the
mega$$ pharmaceutical and diagnostic industries around childbirth.
And the research really shows that although IV
Actually my out of pocket costs for my OB were pretty much equal to
my out of pocket costs for my midwife. Even with private health
insurance and the medicare safetynet private OBs are far more
expensive in Sydney than elsewhere too.
The real question as far as Im concerned ( yes I have a
Small sample I know, but of two women who have used the garlic, one swabbed
positive with heavy growth, the other negative...
Cheers,
Di
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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re:
Abby,
I think the cost differences may be partly due to a limited number of
midwives available in NSW to be at homebirths. Those that do seem to need
to travel far distances for some of the women. Most I know do antenatal and
postnatal in the woman's home and if they are driving 80+kms each
I have a woman at the moment who has had threatened pre-term labour, they
are hoping with everything she gets to 37 weeks... I know some doctors like
to have ab's for prem labour - is this the case in most hospitals?
Best Regards,
Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
Conception, Pregnancy,
Does anyone have experience with this type of pool?? Can you get disposable
liners ??
Cheers,
Di
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From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth pool
If
I'm not questioning the value of midwifery care, more why Sydney midwifery
care is so much more 'valuable' in the dollars and sense kind of way?
Something that hasn't been mentioned is the lack of professional indemnity
insurance for midwives. Midwives put their life and all their goods and
That restriction of practice really bothers me, and I can imagine it would
bother midwives who want to provide evidence based care to their clients. Women
with breech babies are in an unenviable position in Perth.
J
Midwives are indemnified by the Govt insurance, but at the cost of more
We have one we rent out in JB and are hoping to get more. I haven't seen
disposable liners but methylated spirits works to kill everything in labs so
we use that. If it's washed by the previous family and the subsequent family
and left in the home for a few weeks to load up with friendly normal
I've not picked up lots of the mails in the past few days but can see the
replies. I've just logged on to the digest to try and catch up so forgive me
if this has been covered already.
I understand that women should have the right to choose a homebirth and that
the consensus is that homebirth
Didn,t someone previously say that the cost of living in NSW is more
expensive, well that also goes for the midwives not just the women birthing.
Midwives have families/lives /mortages etc. Cath
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As a result of all this information, I spoke with a woman who wants a second
homebirth, her first she was charged the cost of fuel to get to her for visits
etc. I mentioned $2500 and she was taken aback. She said to me , Ï understand
you need to cover costs but truly I think she has no real
I have found this topic quite an eye-opener, particularly as someone who
hopes to practice independently after finishing my degree. It makes me
feel sad that midwifery is so undervalued that midwives are only expected
to be allowed to recoup costs and nothing else. Midwifery is a passion as
well
I have used mine several times now and found it to be really good.
Plenty of room for the women to move around and sides that re strong
enough to lean on and a base that is inflated so soft to kneel on.
The thick inflated sides keep the water warm enough to be able to
keep the pool at the
Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently
spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding
and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor
candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him:
You have
Speaking of our independent services... My next adventure is setting up a website. Whose got one and can anyone give me a ballpark figure at how much this is going to cost me, and how long the process can take? Thanks.
Kristin (CBE, Naturopath)Advertisement: Looking for the latest range of toys
Just be careful that using chlorine, bleach, metho or the sun for
sterilisation isn't ruining the plastic. Without knowing what kind of
plastic it is, cleaning with those kinds of chemicals may cause the
pool to perish much more quickly.
Em
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Hi Philippa
Fruit juice adds little to a newborn's diet except fluid and this will stop the
babe from drinking milk. The newborn's gut is not equipped to deal with fruit
juice until around 6 months, as per the WHO guidelines Despite apparent logic
there is very little/no fibre in fruit
Hi Sam,
One of our obstetricians said it wasn't worthwhile doing them in pregnancy as
they are not accurate due to the changes in the cervix. Even women with CIN I
did not have repeat paps during their pregnancy. Not sure how evidence based
this is.
Cheers
Michelle
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Thank you Angela for your thorough reply. I always forget the very detailed
anatomy of the circulatory changes and have to look it up and don't keep the
right book at home. . I was thinking more of a convincing explanation as to
why the blood doesn't run backwards from the baby towards the
Lieve writes:
Yesterday I attended a waterbirth and the cord continued pulsing another 15
min after the birth of the placenta, 20 min after the birth of the baby.
This can occur as a rebound pulse from the baby's heart beat. Obviously it
can't be from a placenta pumping more blood to the
Hi Philippa,
Misoprostol has a lot of side effects, just search the web on CYTOTEC
(the American name). It is used in areas where refrigeration is not
possible. When this is possible Syntocinon and/or Syntometrine are
better options. Whatever you decide: good luck.
Love Anke
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She doesn't mean cutting the cord right away does she? Like when bubs is still
underwater?? By her flawed idea of anatomy and physiology she may think that is
appropriate?? I find it so hard to see how this kind of 'professional' can be a
care provider for birthing mums.
Abby xo
Hi Anke
Have seen shivering diarhoea and increased temp in women having termination
with misoprostol... But this is a 6th hrly dose...when used for pph it would
be a one of dose... Much of the bad press it has gotton has been because the
doses used in iol are varied (and the 'correct' dose is
I know the tablets are used for TOPs. Is it therefore that often women
miscarry after TOPs? Or have prems? It would NOT be my choice of
medicine because I have seen too many problems after use.
Anke
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It always amazes me that these trials are on such a small number of women.
While they are interesting, surely they are not able to be applied to the
wider population of women? MM
Results for the intravenous oxytocin (n = 311) and oral misoprostol (n =
311) groups are as follows
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you are very right. The baby is in charge and decides when to shut the doors to
the cord :-). It is the heart of the baby that pumpes the blood to the placenta.
I don't hav prove of this but I think that waiting for the baby to decide to
close the cord is the reason why I never had a baby with a
Mary there are some systematic reviews which include these studies but am
unable to get a hold of the full text..will try at work. L
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Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 6:51 PM
To:
Am not sure what you mean Anke? Would be interested to hear your
experiences.
Lisa
Is it therefore that often women miscarry after TOPs? Or have prems? It
would NOT be my choice of medicine because I have seen too many problems
after use. Anke
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As an aside, I am of the impression that the cord vessels don’t have any valves.
This is a really interesting point Mary. An article I read some time ago
believed that the respiratory distress sometimes seen with caesar babies was
related to hypovolemia, from when the baby was held above the
Hi Abby
Completely agree...ALL drugs used during labour and birth can have nasty
effects especially when misused...I am by no means promoting it, these posts
were of interest in terms of appropriate use...some would say that the
warnings placed on this drug by its makers are because they have no
Hi wise women of the list,
I am curious if anyone can enlighten me of any alternatives to Antibiotics
in labour to decrease GBS transfer from mother to baby. I recollect some
info about douching during labour, but the info was sketchy to say the
least. I understand the risks of transfer are low
Hi,
No, this is not normal. This is the consequence of feeding a baby an abnormal
diet, sadly. When did she stop breastfeeding? Is there any chance of her
beginning to breastfeed her baby again, even partially? At this age it is
normally possible to begin to breastfeed again.
If this is
Hi Melanie,
I suppose it is all about comparing the risks associated with having
antibiotics with the risk of the baby being affected by GBS. The antibiotics
are unlikely to do harm, except perhaps by damaging the woman's normal flora
for a time. The consequences of things going wrong with the
Thanks Fran and Barb,
This mum did not continue to BF past 4 days as after a placenta accretia
manual removal and a pph of 1200mls her milk was deemed to have not come in.
The stress then of not getting it in compounded the no milk situation. There
is still a little concern over any remaining
Some women use garlic vaginally to kill the GSB. There are other natural
remedies too.
Cheers
Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and
labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville
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Melanie
By any chance did this mother have artifical rupture of membranes or a fetal
scalp electrode applied?
Briege
Melanie Sommeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi wise women of the list,
I am curious if anyone can enlighten me of any alternatives to Antibiotics
in labour to decrease
Hi,
It's a tough situation, for sure.
If the baby is otherwise happy and well, I wouldn't be worrying about the poo.
True constipation in infants, regardless of the method of feeding, is rare . I
know parents do seem to get very worried about the poo. Formula fed poo is not
normal, but may
Nicole,
There has been some research done on the effects of antibiotics in labour to
prevent the transmission of GBS to babies. What appears to be the case from
current research is that the rates of GBS transmission do not change
significantly as a result of the antibiotics but the babies who
Hello Melanie,
A Danish Obstetrician came to John Hunter Hospital (Newcastle NSW) and
presented some time ago on the use of Chlorhexidine douche for women with
GBS positive swabs. Very popular in Denmark apparently and is being
heralded as the treatment for women in third world countries
How come there is such a big difference? I mean, that is a really BIG
difference!!
Love Abby
Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Same in WA. MM
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Approx $2000-$2500 here in SA I think, from what I know anyway.
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Whilst I'm on the soapbox, I was thinking that you may be interested in the
intradermal water injections and their efficacy.
We had Janice Deocampo come to Belmont and give a seminar on the use of this
technique for women with excruciating back pain. Midwives came from Gosford,
Maitland,
Hi Melanie
Try gentlebirth...
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html
Hi wise women of the list,
I am curious if anyone can enlighten me of any alternatives to Antibiotics
in labour to decrease GBS transfer from mother to baby. I recollect some
info about douching during labour, but the
Thankyou all who replied and sent me info offlist.
I have forwarded the info on to my friend.
What I love about this list is that you can ask a question but then we can
all learn something and it creates really interesting discussion.
Warm Regards
Honey
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From:
This
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbs.html
is a great site and of course, the question about health, wellness and GBS
screening rears its head in any thinking person's mind. However, we
(working in the 'system') deal with the harsh reality of modern obstetrics
and neonatology and
Frances Sheean wrote:
Hi Philippa
Fruit juice adds little to a newborn's diet except fluid and this will stop the babe from drinking milk. The newborn's gut is not equipped to deal with fruit juice until around 6 months, as per the WHO guidelines Despite apparent logic there is very
How come there is such a big difference? I mean, that is a really BIG
difference!!
Midwives have always worked altruistically and undervalued their services.
It takes an enormous emotional step for midwives to believe they are worth
it. If midwives actually ask for this larger payment, would
What about the risk of absorption of chlorhexidine? When the cream was used
on newborn babies it was toxic. MM
A Danish Obstetrician came to John Hunter Hospital (Newcastle NSW) and
presented some time ago on the use of Chlorhexidine douche for women with
GBS positive swabs. Very
Hi,
I paid about $2200 8 years ago for my home birth. Honestly I can't remember.
It was around that - 2 midwives, antenatal and a couple of postnatal visits.
Best money I ever spent! As I say, I cant quite remember the money, but I can
absolutely remember every detail of that fabulous
Hi Phillipa,
People who formula feed babies must realise that the solute load of formula is
much heavier than breastmilk and takes 3-4hrs to digest as opposed to
breastmilk's 20mins or so. Formula fed babies also need to have water
separately as opposed to breastfed bubs.
I have often found
Sids study
American researchers are closer to developing a cure for Sudden Infant Death
Syndrome after identifying an important brain defect in its young victims.
The researchers at the Boston Children's Hospital believe the problem is
related to the brain chemical 'serotonin' which regulates
20061113-87# Acupuncture administered after spontaneous rupture of membranes
at term significantly reduces the length of birth and use of oxytocin. A
randomized controlled trial - Acta Obstetricia et Gynecologica Scandinavica
, vol 85, no 11, 2006, pp 1348-1353 Gaudernack LC; Forbord S; Hole E
20061113-80# Prevention of postpartum hemorrhage by uterotonic agents:
comparison of oxytocin and methylergo metrine in the management of the thirs
stage of labor - Acta Obstetricia et Gynecologica Scandinavica , vol 85, no
11, 2006, pp 1310-1314 Fujimoto M; Takeuchi K; Sugimoto M; et al - (2006)
20061113-79# The effects of time on pH and gas values in the blood contained
in the umbilical cord - Acta Obstetricia et Gynecologica Scandinavica , vol
85, no 11, 2006, pp 1307-1309 Valenzuela P; Guijarro R - (2006) Background.
The pH and gas analysis of umbilical cord blood is an accepted
Guess who is on the browser? MM
Prepregnancy risk factors for placental abruption
Minna Tikkanen A1, Mika Nuutila A1, Vilho Hiilesmaa A1, Jorma Paavonen A1,
Olavi Ylikorkala A1
A1 Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University Central Hospital,
Helsinki, Finland
Abstract:
Lieve
Just want to say that I love both your wisdom and your wonderfully original
English! Heart whisper sounds so much nicer than 'murmer' :-)
Love Sue
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject:
I'd consult with a herbalist. Echinacea tinctures/ douches etc can be mixed
up. I also have heard that a clove of garlic inserted into the vagina (
peeled clove) for 3 nights in a row also aids in reducing GBS.
Robyn D
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From: Melanie Sommeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Journal of Obstetrics Gynaecology
Publisher:
Taylor Francis
Issue:
Volume 25, Number 2 / February 2005
Pages:
115 - 116
URL:
Linking
http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/%28a0anjt55lj5eqq45gdgc4dfy%29/app/home/l
Good question Mary. Thanks for your comments.
As far as Chlorhexidine cream goes, my memory is that it was an antibacterial
lubricant for vaginal examinations and that it irritated too many women's
mucosa and that is why we gave that up in favour of the clear gel. As for the
creams we put on
Journal of Obstetrics Gynaecology Publisher: Taylor Francis Issue:
Volume 25, Number 5 / July 2005 Pages: 462 - 464 URL: Linking
Hi Catherine,
Most naturopaths/herbalists can make it up for you. Ensure they do work with womens health/birth preparation and they will probably be familair with it. You will probably have to have a consultatoin before they prescribe. Email me off list if you dont have much luck with this option.
Hi Miriam - No I had no idea about my book in any brochure in NZ - what is
the product?
Thanks for informing me - gee dont we have to be vigilant!
(03) 98011997 is the correct phone number
Pinky
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Sonja,
Do they have a web site?
Cheers
Judy
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Cath Mary,
I purchased the hanging baby scales and sling from a company
called in his hands. they are based in Texas but they only
took about 3-4 days to arrive. The scales are digital and
about the
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2393/4/16. Was just reading some stuff and
fell apon this. It's quite interesting
Lisa Barrett
I will be on something from my naturopath/homeopath both prelabour and then
for just incase as a first option.
Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and
labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville
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From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales
Sonja,
Do they have a web site?
Cheers
Judy
--- Sonja Barry wrote:
Cath Mary,
I purchased the
Judy,
I think it is inhishands.com if not just google in his handsand it will
come up.
Sonja
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From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hanging baby scales
Sonja,
Can anyone help with Info for a friend of mine overseas
The paediatrician who has never attended a waterbirth before is saying that she
would have to clamp right away because if the woman is holding the baby on her
chest, the blood can flow back through the cord to the placenta increasing her
At my last homebirth (7 years ago), my midwife asked me to ask for a
prescription from doc when I went for a blood test referral. I did and they
wrote the script with not a question asked. I got it filled at the chemist and
I just had to wait a day for them to order it in because they didn't
I would be concerned at the legality of them being able to refuse the request
for the script. Homebirth isn't illegal but what if a woman did die at home
because the doc refused the prescription?
From: Mary Murphy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Brenda wrote:
Costs for HB down this way : $1600 to $2500 approx for the entire
package.
I'd say that's a bargain. Could you break it down for us Brenda? ie. what
do you charge for pre/post natal visits/birth attendance??
Jayne
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Drs refuse to write the script on the excuse that they will not be there
when it is given and they can't take responsibility for the use of the drug.
I know this sounds like a stupid reason, but their insurer's say they cannot
prescribe it if they are not procedural obstetric GPs. MM
I would
I have never heard of this theory. What about all the babies who are born
on the bed and the mother holds the baby on her chest before the cord is
clamped. I think a lesson in anatomy and physiology is called for. Anyone
out there who can explain it in detail? MM
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Yes, they are safe to do in pregnancy however if I remember correctly they
are only performed in the second trimester, or 8 weeks postpartum.
Megan
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject:
Hate to be synical, but how do we get blood to our head, no gravity
happening there.
:-)
Megan
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Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 9:43 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Cord
Perhaps you could just tell him it is no different to a land birth where the
mother holds the baby! Hopefully he has see this.
Christine
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Sent: 17 November 2006 08:15
To:
Hi Mary
This is easier to follow when looking at a 'circulatory changes at
birth' diagram, but I'll try to give a brief summary.
Following birth the baby's circulatory system makes major adjustments in
order to divert deoxygenated blood to the lungs for re-oxygenation.
During fetal life
Hi all!
A query - I saw a client today whose little boy is 4 months old. The birth
was at 36weeks, very quick labour (3 hours - first baby). The little fellow
had jaundice but was otherwise well. Went under the lights a couple of
times and then came home but had appointments to go back and
Haven't been able to find much on this (i.e. research that supports the
belief that delaying cord clamping in an active third stage increases
liklihood of problems for the neonate). So emailed George Morley from the
cord clamping website and his reply was:
I don't think it makes a lot of
nunyara wrote:
Hi all!
A query -- I saw a client today whose little boy is 4 months old. The
birth was at 36weeks, very quick labour (3 hours -- first baby). The
little fellow had jaundice but was otherwise well. Went under the
lights a couple of times and then came home but had
Hi,
It sounds like breastmilk Jandice. What a shame she has been given such
out-dated advice.
Wendy Brodribb in Breastfeeding Management (Australian Breastfeeding
Association has an excellent explaination (p 393)
Arias and co-workers in the 1960's first reported another form of neonatal
Wow, what an excellent explanation Jennifairy! For the very first time in
my career as a midwife, I see the light!! (no pun intended)
Tania
x
Hi Ramona, my understanding of this is that the bilirubin is produced when
the fetal red blood cells are broken down by the liver (adult
Thanks Brenda and Megan.
I recently heard a (first hand) story about a girl in early pregnancy
suffering a miscarriage immediately after a PS was done. Apparently the
instruments used were smeared with blood and she started to miscarry
immediately? Understandably, she is very upset and believes
Author Walraven, Gijs a; Blum, Jennifer b; Dampha, Yusupha a; Sowe, Maimuna
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Institution (a)Farafenni Field Station, Medical Research Council
Laboratories, Farafenni, Gambia
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I agree with Barb - sounds like breasmilk jaundice. I wonder if the paed
considered other factors, such as weight gain, urine and stool output, if
baby is alert and happy, etc.
Joy
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BRIGHT Vic 3741
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I have seen lots of smears done at all stages of pregnancy(cathchment theory)
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Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 10:34 AM
To:
Hello Jennifairy,
I had one very, very jaundiced baby in my home practice in 8 years. I sent them
to the pediatrician, but he ignored the child because it was born at home.
So I observed the baby and it drank well, did everything a baby is supposed to
do and regained birthweight after 4 days.
Hoi Honey,
I attend a lot of waterbirths and never clamp a cord until it stops pulsating
or mostly not before the placenta is born. Yesterday I attended a waterbirth
and the cord continued pulsing another 15 min after the birth of the placenta,
20 min after the birth of the baby.
In thinking
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