RE: Winder MX, problem ?

2003-10-05 Thread Paul Ewins
FWIW, With winder # 1321682 if the winder is ON, pressing the winder trigger will turn the metering on (and shoot a frame if you press hard enough) regardless of whether or not the camera is turned on. I tried this on five different MXs and they all worked the same way. The MX

Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Paul Ewins
Hi folks, I played around today with various lenses and thought I'd report back the results. F50/1.4, FA24/2, 77/1.8, Sigma 28-200 3.8-5.6 (AF), Tokina AT-X 80-200 2.8 (MF) As expected all lenses gave correct exposure. With the Sigma lens the focal length was recorded but not the lens

RE: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread Hans Beumer
That's correct. A Powershot A60 requires to install some software from the CD that came with the camera, before the computer recognizes the camera. Regards, hans B. mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Bob S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zaterdag 4 oktober

Re: A camera for people with noses...

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Cameron Hood wrote: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1002/pana204.jpg http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/1002/pana202.jpg I knew it could be done. C. just one thing wrong with that - I'm left eyed :) Yikes, me too. Cheers, Cotty

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Thanks Paul, you just added one more item to my knowledge base grin. On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:32:52 -0700 Paul Ewins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I played around today with various lenses and thought I'd report back the results. Note: If you take an A/F/FA lens off the A setting

Re: Jpeg Q

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I would think that there would be no quality loss in this situation. You are not opening and resaving the file, simply transferring from one place to another. My understanding is that you only start losing quality when you open, edit, then resave the

Re: OT:No camera=first Concord siting

2003-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Anders Hultman Subject: RE: OT:No camera=first Concord siting Is this some kind of steerable hot air ballon? No such thing. They go where the wind takes them. Some of the manufacturers are putting steering vents on, but their sole function is to allow the

Re: Since panoramas are all the rage these days...

2003-10-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I thought I'd try my hand at one. This is from some stuff I shot last weekend. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d302915a.jpg You're a cool dude Mark. I like a bit a porn ;-) Wow. That one went right past me. Ahem. LOVELY

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! AF Aperture is indeed transmitted digitally to the camera by the F/FA AF lenses, so use of aperture set on the lens would have been perfectly AF possible with the *istd. But P deliberately invalidated this AF functionality through software, as it is forcing its users to abandon AF

Re: Now that is just silly...

2003-10-05 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S.: A chinese aunction? Undisclosed price is, for example, $287. You bid $3, next one $5 or anything else, etc. The one who gets to $287, even taking out only $1 from his pocket, gets the... bucket of water in this

My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread brooksdj
Just wondering if Bill Robb or anyone else with the *istD has tried: -shooting and printing a shot ISO 800 or above. -trying TTL - P-TTL flash with an AF280T or above. -is there a BW setting and if so anyone try it. More to come.

Re: OT: Jpeg Q

2003-10-05 Thread graywolf
Copying does not change the file. Openning it and saving it again does. So anytime you try to edit the file you lose data. In other words if you are never going to edit (that includes resizing) the file jpegs are fine. The only problem with that is if you are not going to edit your photos, why

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I have gleaned so far: Australia New Zealand Japan Canada England U.S. Add Norway. Only 3 cameras yet, that went straight to its new owners within hours. They expect another batch Tuesday. Jostein

Re: My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My first *istD question(s) Just wondering if Bill Robb or anyone else with the *istD has tried: -shooting and printing a shot ISO 800 or above. Yes. At 800 it is very good, at 1600 it is slightly noisy, at 3200 it is

MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Hillerström
Hello My wife is planning to buy a MZ-6/ZX-L and I probably will by a *istD later on. Can the new FAJ lenses cause any problems with the MZ-6/ZX-L? It would be nice if we could exchange lenses without any problems. /Peter

Re: Winder MX, problem ?

2003-10-05 Thread graywolf
Well my winder works like Lon said. Serial No. 129. Like the cameras themselves I think the newer winders have a lower serial number range than the earlier one. Peter Alling wrote: I have three of MX's all early versions with the metal film reminder frame. There must a difference in the

Re: OT: Jpeg Q

2003-10-05 Thread Bill Owens
Well, with the Optio S, that offers only jpeg, I download the original file to either my hard drive or CD. If I want a print, I do any sizing, cropping, or any other manipulation I decide I want. I then print the manipulated file, then close it without saving. If I think I might want an

Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Hillerström Subject: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses? Hello My wife is planning to buy a MZ-6/ZX-L and I probably will by a *istD later on. Can the new FAJ lenses cause any problems with the MZ-6/ZX-L? It would be nice if we could exchange lenses without

Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Alling
If she plans to use them in shutter preferred AE, or program AE there would be no problem. If she wants to set here own aperture then there is a big problem. At 06:31 PM 10/5/03 +0200, you wrote: Hello My wife is planning to buy a MZ-6/ZX-L and I probably will by a *istD later on. Can the new

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread John Dallman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Halpin) wrote: What I have gleaned so far: Australia New Zealand Japan Canada Toronto? England London Sunny Brighton U.S. ? Seattle? New York? Add Cambridge, England. I ordered one from the usually-best dealership in

Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Hillerström
The manual, which I've downloaded, uses examples in Av and M modes where the aperture is set from the body. So I suppose the FaJ lenses will work. Thanks Peter William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter Hillerström Subject: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses? Hello My wife is

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread Eactivist
Peter Alling wrote: It's possible that USB is disabled in the setup for your computer. If you know how to get into the setup utility you will find this either under advanced or hard ware options, (or something similar). If USB is disabled when you enable it and reboot you computer WinME

Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread Bill Owens
They cannot work in Av mode. There's no aperture ring on the lens. Bill - Original Message - From: Peter Hillerström [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses? The manual, which I've downloaded, uses

Re: Winder MX, problem ?

2003-10-05 Thread Lon Williamson
My winder has a sticker on the left side (opposite the grip) on the surface that mates with the camera. It says: Asahi Pentax Winder MX 1332568 Japan I'm glad GreyWolf corroborated my experience. Newer winder, or older one? -Lon Peter Alling wrote: I have three of MX's all early versions

Vivitar Ring Flash Problem

2003-10-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
I have been to-ing and fro-ing for some time about whether a ring flash is the answer to my macro lighting problems. Being uncertain, I haven't wanted to invest in Pentax's expensive model. So recently I got a used Vivitar 6000 AF Macro Flash (Pentax TTL model, of course). Putting it on my

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread John Francis
Boris wrote: BL This is most unusual. My ZX-L for instance, shows aperture value in BL the viewfinder if a lens that has A position is set to some other BL aperture. I thought that it came through electronics, this displayed BL value. Why it is not supported in this case? Aperture

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread Eactivist
That's correct. A Powershot A60 requires to install some software from the CD that came with the camera, before the computer recognizes the camera. Regards, hans B. mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Did that, been there. Marnie aka Doe FYI, just so you know.

Calculating TTL Flash Coverage/Lens Conflict

2003-10-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
My (second) Tokina AT-X AF Pro 28-80 f2.8 is a superbly sharp lens. It's only problem is that, because of its bulk, I have lost the use of my pop-up flash when this lens is on. Tamron has come out with a new 28-75 f2.8 that has been quite well reviewed. It, too, is apparently very sharp. It is

Re: MZ-6/ZX-L with FAJ lenses?

2003-10-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
If it works the same as the ZX-7, you can leave the aperture ring in the A position (or in the case of the FAJ, it's always in A), set the mode to Av and select the aperture using left-right movement of the switch co-located with the shutter button. Paul - Original Message - From: Bill

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading - Update

2003-10-05 Thread Eactivist
A nice PDMLer has volunteered to email/zip me the missing ME dlls. I will report back if everything works. Actually, I'll report back when I get the pics up on a web page. Gotta love this list. Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Bill Owens
Aperture is indeed transmitted digitally to the camera by the F/FA lenses, so use of aperture set on the lens would have been perfectly possible with the *istd. But P deliberately invalidated this functionality through software, as it is forcing its users to abandon the

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread graywolf
You may need a powered hub. Often that is the case when there is more than one USB device per controller. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Alling wrote: It's possible that USB is disabled in the setup for your computer. If you know how to get into the setup utility you will find this either

RE: OT:No camera=first Concord siting

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hot air balloon, that's more my cup of tea. We use a Squirrel for filming big fires, major road accidents etc which means sitting in the cold with the door off. I don't mind that but I avoid anything else where I can. Is this some kind of steerable hot

Re: Jpeg Q

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
Resending cuz something weird happened to the subject line before On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I'm not yet an accomplished Photoshop person, and looking in my Photoshop 5 manual, I don't see optimizing. What it is, please? I know of file name optimizing. Is that it? Or, more

Digital B+W printing (was: Re: My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: -is there a BW setting and if so anyone try it. No BW setting. Thats what desturation is for in Photoshop I've tried all the different ways of printing mono from digital files, and you know what? I've settled on converting to greyscale and printing as

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: What I have gleaned so far: Australia New Zealand Japan Canada Toronto? England London Sunny Brighton U.S. ? Seattle? New York? Add Cambridge, England. I ordered one from the usually-best dealership in town, and they got it in

RE: OT:No camera=first Concord siting

2003-10-05 Thread Anders Hultman
Cotty: LOL. My bad juxtaposition of sentences I'm afraid. That first paragraph should read: Hot air balloon, that's more my cup of tea. For filming big fires, major road accidents etc we use a Squirrel (helicopter) which means sitting in the cold with the door off. I don't mind that but I avoid

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread Stan Halpin
You are right Cotty, if I must have one within 3-4 days, I could probably get one. I have bought from Sweden (thanks Lasse), England (thanks Peter), Japan, Hong Kong, from KEH and BH and Adorama, from Oregon and Arizona... The problem is that I asked my local dealer to order one for me, I bugged

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread Mr. William M. Kane
Marnie, If windows is mounting either of the 2 devices correctly, you should see an additional disk drive when you look at my computer. I imagine if it's reading them as removable drive mediums, that you're just not looking for it there . . . IL Bill On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 12:17

Re: Digital B+W printing (was: Re: My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread Matt Bevers
I've had a lot of luck using photoshop's quadtone setting and then printing in color. Not exactly black and white, but monotone, and I find they look pretty good. There's an article detailing the procedure at the Luminous Landscape, here's the link:

Re: Digital B+W printing (was: Re: My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread Brendan
Cotty you ned to try a print on a 2200 with the 2 black inks :-) Also there are a fewphotoshop BW filters and actions that do a very good job converting the images. --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: -is there a BW setting and if so anyone try it.

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread Bob S
Stan, I don't know where they would be getting one in Chicago. I was downtown at the headquarters of Helix, our major multi-outlet camera store. They had a close-out sign over the Pentax 35mm camera section. Clerk said they weren't going to carry them any more. This takes a 5-8 store

Re: Where are the ist-D''s?

2003-10-05 Thread John Dallman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cotty) wrote: Add Cambridge, England. I ordered one from the usually-best dealership in town, and they got it in quite fast. They haven't had the battery grip or the remote control yet, but I can live without them for a while. That's

Re: FS Pentax-F 50/1.7

2003-10-05 Thread Brendan
I'll trade ya a Pentax-A 50mm/1.7 and raise you a 35-80 for the 43mm :-) --- Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this from Mark L. just a few weeks ago, right before being offered a 43/1.9. VGC, with caps. I don't need it. It can be yours for what I paid: $75 shipped in

Very first impressions Ist D

2003-10-05 Thread cbwaters
Might be coming from a slightly different perspective being a hack, such as I am. I've had my camera for about 48 hours now many of which I've spent sleeping, driving, and working so I am by no means proficient with the thing. So, in no particular order: Hyper-program is COOL! The battery door

Re: Very first impressions Ist D

2003-10-05 Thread John Francis
I guess I've used the DOF preview button on my other two bodies more than I knew, miss it here. Camera could very well do this but I don't know how yet. Isn't it the same as the MZ-S? Push the On-Off switch beyond the On position.

Re: OT - Panasonic DMC-LC1

2003-10-05 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
What sort of uniqueness do you see with this one, vs. any other on market right now? Manual focus ring on the barrel (hopefully - a_realy_manual_focus ring), aperture ring, shutter dial on the top plate, classic (familiar) design (not the most important feature, but still :-) Regards, Lukasz

Re: Very first impressions Ist D

2003-10-05 Thread cbwaters
Just read that actually... This ALSO turns on the light for the display panel. Cory Waters - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Very first impressions Ist D I guess I've used the DOF

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2003 at 19:36, John Francis wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to explain why it makes sense for Pentax to add to the cost of every single piece of equipment they make just to satisfy the preferences of a minority, no matter how vociferous. So estimate the difference in software

Re: Very first impressions Ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Bill Owens
I guess I've used the DOF preview button on my other two bodies more than I knew, miss it here. Camera could very well do this but I don't know how yet. If you're using a A lens, look through the viewfinder and push the on/off switch away from the camera. Works the same way as the MZ-S Bill

Re: Very first impressions Ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Oct 2003 at 19:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: White balance, something else to worry about... One of the very best functions of digital cameras. Don't be lulled into thinking that CC filters aren't still useful though. the little screen in the back isn't great for making evaluations

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Alling
There are two parts of the equation making K mount lenses less useful. Hardware and software, the hardware part is indisputable, the aperture simulator isn't there. This might save Pentax as much as $20.00 in manufacturing costs. I might agree with you based on that, except that making the K

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Alling
Damn, a voice of reason, and I was just getting ready for a good ol' flame war. At 07:45 PM 10/5/03 -0400, you wrote: Relax John, don't take it personally. Can't we all just get along ;) HAR! Cory - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Since panoramas are all the rage these days...

2003-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
strange looking cloud. how did it happen, i wonder? Herb... - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Since panoramas are all the rage these days... I thought I'd try my hand at one. This is from

Re: twowhoohoos

2003-10-05 Thread Mark Cassino
Many thanks for the positive messages! I was away from the computer all weekend, and was glad to read the thread upon returning home tonight. I take my share or duds, goofs, and mis-directed shots; so I just feel lucky to have managed to get a couple of decent shots in the right place at the

Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading

2003-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
did you have to install any software? the card reader should have worked without installing any software. Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: OT: Problems with Flash Card Reading The problem

Re: Digital B+W printing (was: Re: My first *istD question(s)

2003-10-05 Thread Herb Chong
i don't like the way Desaturate works and prefer to use Channel Mixer instead. i have a standard mix i use that gives me the sky and foliage tones i like. Herb - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:57 PM

The 6x7 shutter at low voltage

2003-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was shooting with my 6x7 yesterday, and on the seventh roll of film the battery gradually died. It seemed that at very low voltage I got the same shutter speed no matter where I set the dial. It sounded like 1/30 or thereabouts. Is this normal? Does anyone know for sure what speed the shutter

PDML survey

2003-10-05 Thread Simon King
Hi All, I didn't read my email over the weekend as I was out updating my portfolio of local prostitutes, but I see that the whole survey question has spun off to several threads. Even though I think it's a fun idea, I'm not going to pursue it for the following reasons; 1. Technical As I have

Re: A70-210/f4 or F70-210/1:4-5.6

2003-10-05 Thread Peter Alling
I don't really have an answer to this. I do know that if I bought a lens that was so cloudy that I wouldn't think of making a comparison to a one I already had, I would try to get my money back. I am in no position to offer a comparison between these two lenses except third hand, which is that

Re: PDML survey

2003-10-05 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
That and getting some angry pimp huntin' you down! CRB At 22:06 2003.10.05 -0400, you wrote: From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I didn't read my email over the weekend as I was out updating my portfolio of local prostitutes, but I see that the whole survey question has spun off to

RE: Professions and the PUG

2003-10-05 Thread Simon King
I'll pitch in... Many years ago in primary school we were all asked to tell the class what our father's did. My father worked for a publishing company, and I didn't know how to describe what he did, so I said he was a Bookie. I had no idea what the word meant. He received a call from the

Re: OT - Panasonic DMC-LC1

2003-10-05 Thread frank theriault
Well, as you can imagine, they're going nuts about it over at LUG. I haven't really been following the thread, but it seems that they don't know much more about it than the links that we've seen. Besides, I've been away all weekend, and I'm just catching up on a couple of days of e-mail

CUBS

2003-10-05 Thread Bill Owens
HOW 'BOUT THEM CUBBIES!!!

to fellow Cubbies fans - YAYAYAYAYAY!

2003-10-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
see above annsan, Chicago born, saw them cubbies in 1945

Re: to fellow Cubbies fans - YAYAYAYAYAY!

2003-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Ann... You were a South Sider. Shame on you :-) Paul Ann Sanfedele wrote: see above annsan, Chicago born, saw them cubbies in 1945

Re: Words (was -- Re: PDML numbers: Re: I haven't got *Ist D)

2003-10-05 Thread frank theriault
I think you're missing the point of inclusive language, Bob. I don't think that it's censorship. No one is saying that I can't say policeman. Least of all the government, or anyone else who has any authority over me. What proponents of inclusive language (or PC, although I don't like that

RE: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Define old! No K mount lens is more than 28 years old and the last M series are only 21 years old. The istD's lack of full support of the K and M lenses is deplorable considering the cost of the camera and ANY K or M lens is not OLD IMHO. They were well made SMC optics and should last many

RE: Since panoramas are all the rage these days...

2003-10-05 Thread Simon King
Fantastic shot. Details? Format/Lens/Exposure? -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2003 10:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Since panoramas are all the rage these days... I thought I'd try my hand at one. This is from some stuff

RE: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Secondly, isnt the whole point of buying a PENTAX DSLR the ability to use a large quantity of PENTAX lenses one already owns? If not, why buy pentax DSLR??? I would rather go with Canon which is cheaper and has a much better selection of AF lenses on both the new and used market to select

OT: joining the uber-brotherhood

2003-10-05 Thread Mat Maessen
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1category=11717item=2953917449 ah, large negatives...

Re: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Old lenses and *ist D Secondly, isnt the whole point of buying a PENTAX DSLR the ability to use a large quantity of PENTAX lenses one already owns? If not, why buy pentax DSLR??? I would rather go with Canon which is cheaper

Re: joining the uber-brotherhood

2003-10-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mat Maessen Subject: OT: joining the uber-brotherhood http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1category=11717item=2953917449 You'll have fun with that, though start eating your wheaties now. William Robb

RE: joining the uber-brotherhood

2003-10-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I always thought my circa 1941 Graflex Anniversary Model 4X5 Speed Graphic was a pretty camera. Now I am absolutely sure! While the BJ may be a good buy and will take great pix, it sure isnt going to win any classic design beauty contests...

RE: Old lenses and *ist D

2003-10-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Im not refering to the cheapie Canon Rebel digital, the D60 is also less expensive than the Pentax and is a highly rated camera. I am a pentax fan for sure but I am not unaware that Canon makes some of the most highly regarded lenses made by anyone for 35mm. I dont think Pentax makes nearly as

Re: to fellow Cubbies fans - YAYAYAYAYAY!

2003-10-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul Stenquist wrote: Ann... You were a South Sider. Shame on you :-) Paul Ann Sanfedele wrote: No, only for a couple of years. I lived MOSTLY on the north side... a little north of Wrigley field, just a couple of EL stops :) so there. :) ann see above annsan, Chicago born,