RE: Tersting a Tamron Adaptall 6.9 200-500mm (not SP)

2006-03-26 Thread Jens Bladt
Thanks, Markus. So am I - interested, that is. I'm sure it's not easy, doing nice shots with a manual focus, manual exposure (sort of) and very heavy, third (or fourth) party lense. I guess these cheap lenses will require F.11 to perform decently, this meens LOTS of light ;-) Don't miss my

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread keith_w
Shel Belinkoff wrote: [...] Digital photography may well not be artistically rewarding for Kevin. I sometimes feel the same way. There's really no need to be judgemental and critical, Paul. Shel I suggest that Paul sometimes just needs to be Paul. He succeeded. Again. keith

some new latex-pics

2006-03-26 Thread Timo Hartikainen
Hello, some new pics... Warning...latex fetish pics: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=584966 Pentax lenses used in this session: K35/3.5, M50/1.7, A85/1.4. Film: 1 roll of Ilford XP2. I scanned post-processed those in a hurry, so there may be some things that could have been done

Re: Tersting a Tamron Adaptall 6.9 200-500mm (not SP)

2006-03-26 Thread Thibouille
I'm interested too. Will be dificult for me to shoot much (living in plain center of the city) but I'm very curious of what I could do with my stuff too ;) -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Bob W
Wheaters wrote: I am sure you will get basted and cooked over a slow fire for that post, Mmm. Tastes like chicken. I have found that there are two camps out there at the moment. One camp say that all that matters is the picture, how you get there doesn't matter, and digital

Re: Sensor size for new Pentax DSLR

2006-03-26 Thread DagT
That´s the 645D. It is supposed to have a crop factor of 1.3 relative to the 6x4.5cm negative size. DagT Den 25. mar. 2006 kl. 23.26 skrev Jack Davis: There are some who are propagating a 1.3 crop factor rumor. I'd like to believe it. Jack --- Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey,

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Jostein
Hi Kevin, Your feelings about our art is a bit surprising, considering your recent reviews of the digital medium format cameras. I thought you were about to go all-in on digital. But of course an investment of this magnitude makes you think twice and more in any case, doesn't it? I

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread DagT
Den 26. mar. 2006 kl. 03.57 skrev Paul Stenquist: On Mar 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: As mentioned, I dont deny the artistic merits of digital technology. b But you did in your earlier post. You said, If you want to shoot film, fine. I will certainly shoot with my

RE: Tersting a Tamron Adaptall 6.9 200-500mm (not SP)

2006-03-26 Thread Jens Bladt
Hmmm... Ther must be some birds in the city - doves, perhaps ;-) Not to mention the birds can can watch go by ;-) Regards jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Thibouille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. marts 2006 11:18 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net

Re: The Pond

2006-03-26 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Kenneth Waller wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: The Pond I set a new personal record for filter extravagance and bought an 77mm R72 for my DA 12-24/4. Shot a little pond this morning. It's at 12mm, f11, 4 second

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Bob W wrote: Aaron got there before me and identified a 3rd camp: I like taking the pictures and I like having the finished images. The middle part is tedious, where it used to be half the fun. Although I never thought the middle part was any fun at all, whether it's

Re: Tersting a Tamron Adaptall 6.9 200-500mm (not SP)

2006-03-26 Thread Thibouille
Sure but it even more dificult to get an interesting picture: the bird could be very nice but the background often a bit too... messy ? (and I'm kind ;) On 3/26/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... Ther must be some birds in the city - doves, perhaps ;-) Not to mention the birds can

Re: PENTAX-A 3.5/35-105 Limited Edition

2006-03-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Mar 2006 at 7:37, Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Who know ? Limited Edition, or modified lens ? http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7601619202rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITrd=1 LE, I doubt it. It looks just like a strip of waterproof anti-skid tape has been added. Rob

RE: OT: New EC law forces Hasselblad to discontinue XPan camera

2006-03-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Mar 2006 at 13:39, Tim Øsleby wrote: This was directly to the point Ralf. I am convinced the manufacturers have been waiting for this. What surprises me is that they thought we would believe this nonsense. Too true, though if they are only assembling units from stocks of old leaded

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Mar 2006 at 10:31, Bob W wrote: Actually, I'm not all that interested in the subject of photography. Once the picture is in the box, I'm not all that interested in what happens next. Hunters, after all, aren't cooks - Henri Cartier-Bresson All else equal I'd bet that a cook would make a

Re: PENTAX-A 3.5/35-105 Limited Edition

2006-03-26 Thread Thibouille
Doubt it too. I really think any Pentax limited or SE edition or whatever would be written somewhere on the lens. Maybe like K1000 SE etc.. but there'd be something written. On 3/26/06, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Mar 2006 at 7:37, Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Who know ?

RE: PENTAX-A 3.5/35-105 Limited Edition

2006-03-26 Thread Jens Bladt
It is a limited edition. It has leatherette on the front end of the barrel. Mine doesn't. I guess the guy put it there himself. Perhaps to cover some scratch or dent. That ought to make it very limited ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Thibouille

The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem is that photography has become more of a production line than an art. There's another thing that's nagging me about digital: With analog, it takes very little money to produce a technical quality that can't be distinguished from what you get

Re: The Pond

2006-03-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
There's a light snow cover. I shot some without the central pier as well using different camera positions. To me, the pier makes it more than another pond picture. Paul On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:19 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Kenneth Waller wrote: - Original Message

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Colin J
graywolf wrote: While I am not doing any serious photography at this time, I do agree with you. Light and chemicals is a different media than light and pixels. I am using digital for record shots, ebay shots, and snapshots thus I get by with a decent PS. Film is what I enjoy, and

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Very high quality analog equipment is certainly much more attainable than comparable digital equipment at the present time. But this will change as the digital market matures. Of course that will take time. What matters more to me is that I can achieve very high quality color printing at home

RE: Tersting a Tamron Adaptall 6.9 200-500mm (not SP)

2006-03-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
I havn't done a formal test with my lens, but so far it looks like that me too, has to shoot at f:8 or more with my Tokina AT-X 150-500 f:5,6. I also have a impression that I have to shoot at 15 meter or closer. Yesterday was a very bright day, with snow, bright sun, and reflections from the sea.

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:05 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: A little more curve-tweaking and you'll clearly see the fringing and posterizing. Maybe you just have to pretend you're shooting slides and not try to save the thing in post. -Aaron

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:20 AM, Colin J wrote: I couldn't agree more. Digital is powerful and versatile. But it's a chore. I didn't take up photography to be tied to a computer. You might be able to do much more with Photoshop than a traditional enlarger, but where is the satisfaction in

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I like to control the entire process. Me too. Which is why it stinks that I find the process so godawful boring. -Aaron

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you just have to pretend you're shooting slides and not try to save the thing in post. Won't help. I have to use colour negative film, exactly because of the limited dynamic range of slide film. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG -

OT: cleaning house

2006-03-26 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdpconsult.comQQhtZ-1 Lots of stuff to get rid of. A bunch of oddball assorted lenses. *** The MV-1 outfit is a bargain given the ME II winder attached. And check out my son's *rare* speakers, of course. Also have some stuff lying around the house. These items

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 07:56 AM 3/26/2006, you wrote: Ralf, I'm in general agreement. For those who enjoy and want the best out of film large format is a relatively inexpensive venture. (That is, compared to what I've seen in some 35 outfits.) 4x5 -- a. $150 for a good press camera to start with (Busch

Re: Which fast film to use - tutorial for concert shots

2006-03-26 Thread Derby Chang
Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Pentaxians searching the internet for opinions on different brands of fast film for indoor shots like the coming anniversary event for me I found this site which could be useful to others too: http://www.photo.net/learn/concerts/mirarchi/concer_3.htm any opinions on

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] At one time, if you didn't like something you saw in the viewfinder, you either waited until it moved, or found another picture to take. Now, you just take the picture and clone the offending bits out. And you call yourself an artist for doing it.

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Mishka
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the mentality that says that all that matters is the finished picture. isn't that the case always? best, mishka

RE:

2006-03-26 Thread Butch Black
My condolences on the loss of your beloved pet. Butch

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
I used to have to make twenty or more BW prints for every magazine article. It would frequently take me at least ten hours. It wasn't art. It was hard, smelly, backgreaking work. Now I can turn out 20 digitals, color or BW in a couple hours at the most. And the convenience of digital means I

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't find either process terribly boring -- darkroom or digital. But I don't process other people's work, only my own. That is much more rewarding than operating a lab. I tried doing custom BW printing at one time many years ago. I got plenty of business in a hurry, but soon learned that I

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Some people, and Kevin seems to be one of them, prefer working with film and chemicals. It's not only the results that matter, but how they're obtained, and the satisfaction one gets from the process. This is absolutely right. I still vastly prefer the darkroom to the

Re: OT: panorama stitcher for Mac?

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Tim Sherburne wrote: Hi Paul... I can vouch for ArcSoft Panorama Maker. It's very simple, gives good results, and relatively inexpensive. US$40, you can download it right away, and it's available for Mac and Windows. There's a demo that you can try out first. http://www.arcsoft.com I've done

Re: Thoughts on Russian K-mounts, any?

2006-03-26 Thread Mishka
i tried 20mm/2.5 and didn't particularly liked it, although, for thr money it's hard to beat. It flares easily, large (82mm) and very heavy (allmetal build), and QC is so-so. mine was quite sharp though. best, mishka. On 3/25/06, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone has any experience with

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
No ... and that's been stated here several times in several ways. Shel William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the mentality that says that all that matters is the finished picture. From: Mishka isn't that the case always?

Re: The Pond

2006-03-26 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Mar 26, 2006, at 5:19 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, Kenneth Waller wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: The Pond I set a new personal record for filter extravagance

Re: March Madness

2006-03-26 Thread cbwaters
Ok, This has been mostly good natured so far but sheesh...whoda thunk this was the result? Cotty, I think you're off your nut here. But that's just my opinion and we all have one. I still like you though. I do NOT think any good basketball fan would come out with nearly as good a take if

Re: cleaning house

2006-03-26 Thread Raimo K
Gevaert? All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: OT: cleaning house snip One roll of 620

Re: OT: New EC law forces Hasselblad to discontinue XPan camera

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert wrote: On 25 Mar 2006 at 13:39, Tim Øsleby wrote: This was directly to the point Ralf. I am convinced the manufacturers have been waiting for this. What surprises me is that they thought we would believe this nonsense. Too true, though if they are only assembling units from

Re: March Madness

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: I must be counted in the this is photography camp. If it's done properly, it can be great photography, maybe even art (oh no, don't bring art into this! LOL). Here's one of my favourite baseball photos, one of Jackie Robinson taunting a catcher just before stealing home:

RE: Which fast film to use - tutorial for concert shots

2006-03-26 Thread Jens Bladt
Don't know (remember) too much about film. I know you don't need as fast film as you might think! Why? Well, most concerts ar lit with spotlights etc. So, you must under expose by perhaps 2 stops in iorder to avoid, what I call pan-cake-faces (white faces with no features). Spot metering sucks

Re: OT: panorama stitcher for Mac?

2006-03-26 Thread David Savage
On 3/26/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll second everyone's recommendation of Panorama Maker. (I'd have mentioned it earlier but I didn't realize it was available for Mac.) I don't know what the frame limitation number is, but I do know it's fewer than 20 ;-) I'm hoping they fix

Re: OT: panorama stitcher for Mac?

2006-03-26 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark maybe consider having a look at PTGui if your using a Windows box. It already accepts 16 bit input files (tiff) and outputs as 16 bit layered (or blended) tiff or psd file. Unfortunately it's not available for Apple users There's a Mac equivalent

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
So working with photography using digital process doesn't appeal to you. Fine. Enjoy what does appeal to you, do photography. Why write a big song and dance about it, with the implication that something is wrong with digital? That's what I don't understand. There's nothing wrong with film

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Jack Davis
It would be difficult to separate the process from the satisfaction of producing a pleasing finished image. Anticipating the end product is what drives the learning and doing process. Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No ... and that's been stated here several times in several

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Bailing out. Both camps are right. But I'm in the latter, well, mostly. I prefer printing digitally. I prefer shooting with film. When I had my darkroom set up, and shot BW film, I printed quite a few pictures. I like darkroom

Re: Rollei

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
Thnaks Mishka. He was a very good boy. bill - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Rollei beautifull dog. you must be lucky to have a friend like that. best,

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Bailing out. Bill, I think the danger lies in ease and productivity. If one goes digital all the way through, one may become over-trigger-happy, if you know what I mean. I'm finding there is too much ease in shooting, to

Re: Rollei

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
Thanks Boris bill - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Rollei Very sad news. You had a beautiful friend.

Re: Rollei

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
Thanks Bruce bill - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Rollei Bill, A wonderful tribute that really brought some feeling of his personality. My heartfelt condolences at this time.

Re: Rollei

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
Thanks Amita, he was a sweetheart. bill - Original Message - From: Amita Guha Subject: Re: Rollei What a sweet-looking boy. I'm sorry for your loss. Amita

Re: OT: New EC law forces Hasselblad to discontinue XPan camera

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: OT: New EC law forces Hasselblad to discontinue XPan camera On 25 Mar 2006 at 13:39, Tim Øsleby wrote: I am convinced the manufacturers have been waiting for this. What surprises me is that they thought we would believe this

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Bailing out. If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. William Robb

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:04 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. Does the word problem offend you for some reason? Problem == issue, difficulty, stumbling block, obstacle,

Re: OT: New EC law forces Hasselblad to discontinue XPan camera

2006-03-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:08 AM, William Robb wrote: Even if they weren't, there are manufacturing changes required to switch from lead solder to silver solder. If Fuji didn't think they were going to recoup the cost of change of manufacturing, then that would have left Hasselblad with no

Re: The Time Machine (was: Re: New SD Card...)

2006-03-26 Thread Glen
At 02:35 PM 3/23/2006, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 11:08:35AM -0800, Juan Buhler wrote: Nothing to do with the point, but it's funny how render times stay constant as complexity grows :) That was a point first expounded, AFAIK, by Turner Whitted. There are three classes of

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:04 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. Art is art. How you create it is irrelevant. Bob

Re: The Time Machine (was: Re: New SD Card...)

2006-03-26 Thread Glen
At 02:08 PM 3/23/2006, Juan Buhler wrote: Funny. All my renders, on the other hand, from silly shampoo TV ads in Argentina in 1992, through Antz, Shrek, Shrek 2, Madagascar and the stuff I'm doing now at Pixar take about the same time to render--in the order of a few hours. Hello Juan, Can

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Bailing out. On Mar 26, 2006, at 7:04 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. Does the word problem

Re: The real digital dilemma - was: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: But I don't process other people's work, only my own. That is much more rewarding than operating a lab. I tried doing custom BW printing at one time many years ago. I got plenty of business in a hurry, but soon learned that I didn't enjoy

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: Bailing out. On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:04 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. Art is art. How you create

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:24 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in digital photography, well, that's your problem. Why is it a problem? Thats a pretty arrogant attitude. Does the word problem offend you for some reason? It does in the context and way you have chosen to write

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bob Shell wrote: Art is art. How you create it is irrelevant. Tracey Emin? Malcolm

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Colin J
Aaron Reynolds: Why is one a craft and one a science? ... because that is my perception. They're both craft and science. ... and that is yours! I was merely expressing my opinion. It differs from yours. I respect yours but I don't agree with it. If that bothers you, then I'm sorry

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: Bailing out. Bill, would it be better if the sentence read If you believe that there's only art in chemical photography, that's your problem? In context, that's what he's saying. How about There can be art in digital

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
How about; There can be art in digital photography, the same as there can be art in chemical photography. woops. William Robb - Original Message - From: William Robb Subject: Re: Bailing out. - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: Bailing out.

amazing film experience

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yesterday I was able to experience something truly unusual in film. No, this is not film vs digital or anything stupid like that. There is an Asian film festival happening in San Jose this weekend. Yesterday, I was privileged to join the audience for a viewing of A View from Topaz ... an

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Colin J wrote: I was merely expressing my opinion. It differs from yours. I respect yours but I don't agree with it. If that bothers you, then I'm sorry for you, because people should be able to hold differing opinions about the same thing without becoming

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:33 AM, William Robb wrote: What I take umbrage with is the arrogant attitude that digital is now the best and only way to go, and that people who don't agree are retarded. I don't think anyone has said that, only the opposite -- that chemical is the way to go and

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: What I take umbrage with is the arrogant attitude that digital is now the best and only way to go, and that people who don't agree are retarded. I don't think anyone has said that, only the opposite -- that chemical is the way to go and

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I stand by my statement, and find my expansion to be the best explanation of my words for those too literal minded to understand the context: The inability to see that there is an equal amount of art in digital photography as there is in film photography is not intrinsic to the

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Glen
At 07:52 PM 3/25/2006, Kevin Waterson wrote: As mentioned, I dont deny the artistic merits of digital technology. Digital opens many doors that were previously only dreamed of, particularly for those not adept in photographic arts. Its just not what I want from photography. And like the painter

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread David Savage
On 3/26/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Colin J wrote: I was merely expressing my opinion. It differs from yours. I respect yours but I don't agree with it. If that bothers you, then I'm sorry for you, because people should be able to hold

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread graywolf
Snap the shutter and leave the rest to us, Kodak Brownie ad of 1903 or so; and thus the snapshooter was born. In point of fact if you have no interest in the middle part you are a snapshooter (although snapshooters can produce interesting pictures), not a photographer. A photographer does

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread graywolf
Well said, Jostein. It is not what you do, it is how much you enjoy doing it that counts. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jostein wrote: Hi Kevin, Your feelings about our art is a bit

Re: The Pond

2006-03-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks for looking and commenting, Kostas and all the others who have replied. No, the pier itself is the only access. The pond is actually part of a stream. It's formed by the damming effect of some fallen trees. In the summer I come here to shoot dragonflies. I'm going to have to do a color

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread graywolf
You are not even in the same conversation as the rest of us, Paul. We have already stipulated that digital is preferred for commercial production work. However we are talking about photography as a hobby. By the way with a Kodak Versamat Processor you could have turned out those 20 prints in

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: I'm finding there is too much ease in shooting, to much difficulty in production. Since I read Real World Camera Raw... I've found that my time spent on production has gone *way* down :)

Re: Thoughts on Russian K-mounts, any?

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I have one and enjoy its curvilinear distortion. I also have the DA14, which I prefer for most of my ultrawide work, but the Zeni is a very very good lens for something that costs $140 or less, new. Two of my favorites so far: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/25p.htm

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Bob W
That's fine. I'm in good company with other snapshooters, like HCB, Erwitt, most of Magnum and the rest of photojournalism. I'll leave photography to the very Minor Whites. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2006 17:13 To:

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
graywolf wrote: Snap the shutter and leave the rest to us, Kodak Brownie ad of 1903 or so; and thus the snapshooter was born. In point of fact if you have no interest in the middle part you are a snapshooter (although snapshooters can produce interesting pictures) Hell yes! HCB certainly did!

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 26, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm finding there is too much ease in shooting, to much difficulty in production. Since I read Real World Camera Raw... I've found that my time spent on production has gone *way* down :) Have to agree .. Bruce's discussion of proper

Fw: FotoExpress - One man's mobile photo studio

2006-03-26 Thread William Robb
A modern take on an old concept. http://www.pbase.com/scooter41/image/57749415 William Robb

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread graywolf
Well I kind of said that in response to the articles that implied that anyone who preferred to do things the old way were assholes. Somehow on this list I prefer the analog process always is reacted to as if it was written Anyone who uses digital is stupid. I guess that is because many here

RE: amazing film experience

2006-03-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That sounds great. I've heard something of the story about this film. It is an amazing story, indeed. Do you know if the film will be shown elsewhere? Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Yesterday I was able to experience something truly unusual in film. No, this is not

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread graywolf
No argument with that. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Mark Roberts wrote: graywolf wrote: Snap the shutter and leave the rest to us, Kodak Brownie ad of 1903 or so; and thus the

Re: FotoExpress - One man's mobile photo studio

2006-03-26 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:54, William Robb wrote: A modern take on an old concept. http://www.pbase.com/scooter41/image/57749415 I love it! Wonder what he does when it rains? -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org

RE: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But beyond that consideration, I find that the vast majority of my time in production is on deciding what I want to present in a photograph, Some people think the time for making that decision is just before you

RE: Fw: FotoExpress - One man's mobile photo studio

2006-03-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks for posting that, Bill. The list can use a little break from the Bailing out thread. Some humor is good. Some years ago I saw a cartoon that showed something similar LOL Hmm, would this be what Weegee'd be doing today? Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb A modern

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 26, 2006, at 8:56 AM, graywolf wrote: Somehow on this list I prefer the analog process always is reacted to as if it was written Anyone who uses digital is stupid. I guess that is because many here have spent thousands of dollars on digital and are a bit insecure about it. A

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mar 26, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm finding there is too much ease in shooting, to much difficulty in production. Since I read Real World Camera Raw... I've found that my time spent on production has gone *way* down :) Have to agree .. Bruce's

RE: amazing film experience

2006-03-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Shoot! It was playing in Berkeley and I missed it. Damn! Shel [Original Message] From: Shel Belinkoff That sounds great. I've heard something of the story about this film. It is an amazing story, indeed. Do you know if the film will be shown elsewhere? [Original Message]

Re: Fw: FotoExpress - One man's mobile photo studio

2006-03-26 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: A modern take on an old concept. http://www.pbase.com/scooter41/image/57749415 I saw a photo of someone doing the exact same thing at *least* three years ago! And I know it isn't the same photo because this guy looks different and is clearly using a much more recent printer.

Using a two axis rail as a substitute for custom pano heads - crazy or viable with modest lens lengths?

2006-03-26 Thread Lon Williamson
I've read that the nodal point is usually somewhere near the aperature blades of a lens. It seems to me, that with modest length lenses, doing either vertical or horizontal panos would be kind of easy to do with a two axis rail. The L-R axis could compensate for any off-lens-axis tripod

Re: amazing film experience

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think yesterday at noon was it for A View from Topaz but you might contact the folks at http://www.asianamericanfilmfestival.org/ to find out if it will be shown anywhere else sometime soon. I feel quite fortunate in that one of my friends rang me just as I arrived home at 11:30am

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Jack Davis
Only if they consider the results artistic. The art of creating they're art. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: Bailing out. On Mar 26, 2006, at 10:04 AM, William Robb wrote: If you can't see the art in

Re: Bailing out.

2006-03-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 26, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Bob W wrote: But beyond that consideration, I find that the vast majority of my time in production is on deciding what I want to present in a photograph, Some people think the time for making that decision is just before you press the shutter release. Some

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